Yes I agree that those who are reality bound and lean towards atheist belief, have a problem with anything beyond the realm of "real physical stuff."

I am jeannie. You are cute.

I do tarot card readings on this club and argue with my friends about the law of attraction.

They are all picking on me tonight LOL.

They tell me I am delusional and full of bull. LOL

I also believe in aliens.....

Awww... JB,

I was not meaning to imply that you, as a person were full of bull, I was referring to subject matter. I believe that it is a method which leads to confusion for someone looking for a 'better' way.

I am all for positive thinking on logical grounds!

Nevermind the aliens, I have no idea if they exist... I believe that they could...

You think that positive thinking and visualization about your goals lead to confusion? How much do you really know about the creative techniques or the ideas behind the law of attraction?

Sure, some of the techniques utilize a faith based "higher power" type of idea and others don't. There is something for everyone. Even atheists.

If you don't believe in the "higher power" part of it then just call it the subconscious mind. I'm not so sure that is what the higher power is anyway.

Whatever it is, the technique works if you understand it and can master it. There is nothing confusing about it.

That completely depends upon what warrants the grounds for belief. I make no assertation of whether or not good things will come from one who uses positive thinking techniques.

I simply say that they can, no matter if one uses them or not. That is the case as I see it, from my perspective. If one believes or not makes no difference. If one takes steps which lead to a better place, whatever that may be, then they stand a better chance of getting there. However, randomness of unrelated sets of events do sometimes play a determining role, regardless of the nature of thought.

I beg your pardon, JB, for intruding in the middle of your story, but I just couldnt wait..

I am a firm believer in the doctrine of "YOU GET WHAT YOU WISH FOR"! (wether its called the "law of Attraction" [LOA] or whatever) However, our personal wishes affect only our personal microcosm, i.e. health, relationships, wellbeing, etc.
However, the LOA faulters,if our wishes depend on the others:
LOA does not enable one estimating the consequences of various causes -- it just blindly attracts the positive consequences (if any). I bet a lot of people, who were practicing the LOA, must've been surprised getting laid off -- when their place of employment got shut off... (BECAUSE LOA HAS NO EFFECT ON THE MACRO WORLD! ! !)***********************************
Despite of how strongly one beleives in her/him-self -- even if supported by subconscious beliefs and affirmations -- unfortunately, one still remains just a victim of circumstances (in the global sense*). For, if poeple are to blame for their own circumstances, then millions of people must have wished for the current crisis to happen? (maybe subconsciously?) However, the economic UPS and DOWNS are cyclical in nature and do not depend on the common will -- such is the nature of the beast (i.e. political system)!!!

I do not mean to dispute the effectiveness of the LOA on a STRICTLY PERSONAL LEVEL -- it is a powerful technique! However, one must be aware of its limited application! ! !

P.S. Just because one is worried about getting infected with the AIDS, doesn't necessarily mean inviting the desease into one's life(?)

Of course everyone everywhere, since the explosive movie "The Secret" has been hearing about the Law of Attraction. I heard about this creative technique long time ago before it was called "The law of Attraction." That may have been originally coined by Esther and Jerry Hicks.

Since this explosion on the Law Of Attraction everyone is getting on the bandwagon and writing books about it. Does it work? If it didn't would so many people be proclaiming it does? The first few books out about this "Think and grow rich" technique were not called the law of attraction. I bought one called "How to solve all your money problems forever." for $15.00 when I was 27 years old and it was about training your subconcious mind to believe certain things using affirmations.

I looked on Amazon.com for Books about the Law of Attraction and there were over 10 pages of them.

Here are some names I cut and pasted of books found. Everyone had gone mad for the Law of Attraction.

Yet these creative techniques have been around for centuries. They are written about in the Bible. One book just caught my attention I may order by a doctor:

The "Law of Attraction" and the "Subconscious Mind" by Dr. Michael J. Williams PhD JD.

The next post is a long list of other books out on LOA.

BOOKS CUT AND PASTED FROM AMAZON.COM


The Attraction Distraction: Why the Law of Attraction Isn't Working for You and How to Get Results by Sonia M. Miller (

Money, and the Law of Attraction: Learning to Attract Wealth, Health, and Happiness by Esther Hicks and Jerry Hicks

The Law of Attraction: The Basics of the Teachings of Abraham by Esther Hicks and Jerry Hicks

Law of Attraction: The Science of Attracting More of What You Want and Less of What You Don't by Michael J. Losier

The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Law of Attraction by Diane Ahlquist (


Jack Canfield's Key to Living the Law of Attraction: A Simple Guide to Creating the Life of Your Dreams by Jack Canfield and D.D. Watkins

Life Lessons for Mastering the Law of Attraction: 7 Essential Ingredients for Living a Prosperous Life by Jack Canfield, Mark Victor Hansen, Jeanna Gabellini CPPC, and Eva Gregory

The Law of Attraction in Action: A Down-to-Earth Guide to Transforming Your Life (No Matter Where You're StartingFrom) by Ph.D., Deanna Davis

The Law of Attraction, Plain and Simple: Create the Extraordinary Life That You Deserve by Sonia Ricotti

The Secret by Rhonda Byrne (

Law of Attraction Workbook - A 6-Step Plan to Attract Money, Love, and Happiness by David Hooper and David, R Hooper

Burying the Secret: The Road to Ruin Is Paved with Books about the Law of Attraction by Carol Rutter

JESUS TAUGHT IT, TOO!: THE EARLY ROOTS OF THE LAW OF ATTRACTION by Philip F. Harris

The Law of Attraction by Napoleon Hill, Prentice Mulford, and Wallace, D. Wattles (Paperback - Oct 19, 2007)

Ask and It Is Given: Learning to Manifest Your Desires by Esther Hicks, Jerry Hicks, and Wayne W. Dyer (Paperback - Oct 1, 2004)

Law of Attraction Directly from Source: Leading Edge Thought, Leading Edge Music by Esther Hicks, Jerry Hicks, and Scott Raposa

Not Manifesting? This Book is for You! by Kathleen Mackenzie

Law of Attraction Handbook: Revealing the Secrets to Manifest Your Desires Instantly to Success by Aiman A. Al-Maimani

The Law of Attraction in Action... by Stephanie Rothman and Kent Ogletree

The Astonishing Power of Emotions: Let Your Feelings Be Your Guide by Esther Hicks and Jerry Hicks (Paperback - Sep 1, 2008)

The Law of Attraction by William Walker Atkinson

The Secret Gratitude Book by Rhonda Byrne

The Everything Law of Attraction Book: Harness the power of positive thinking and transform your life (Everything Series) by Meera Lester

LIVING THE LAW OF ATTRACTION: Real Stories of People Manifesting Health, Wealth, and Happiness by Robin Hoch

Secrets of Attraction: The Universal Laws of Love, Sex and Romance by Sandra Anne Taylor

Body of Love: 57 Secrets In Creating Your Ideal Body Using The Law of Attraction by Heather Picken

The Secret Law of Attraction as Explained By Napoleon Hill by Napoleon Hill

The Soulmate Secret: Manifest the Love of Your Life with the Law of Attraction by Arielle Ford

The Law of Attraction Made Simple - Magnetize your heartfelt desires by Jonathan Manske (

The Law of Attraction for Love: The Secret to Finding Your Soul Mate by Debbie Frank (Paperback - Nov 1, 2007)

The Secret Laws of Attraction: The Effortless Way to Get the Relationship You Want by Talane Miedaner

Living the Law of Attraction and Enjoying a Serendipitous Life: Plugging Into Source Energy by Kathleen Mackenzie

Thought Vibration Or, The Law of Attraction in the Thought World by William W. Atkinson

Law of Attraction: The Science of Attracting More of What You Want and Less of What You Don't by Michael J. Losier

365 Ways to Live the Law of Attraction: Harness the power of positive thinking every day of the year by Meera Lester

Law of Business Attraction by Ruby Yeh and Anjanette Harper

Feel It Real!: A Guided Approach to Bringing the Law of Attraction into Your Life by Denise Coates
Born to Manifest, Law of Attraction Tools and Techniques by Thomas Murasso

The 28 Laws of Attraction: Stop Chasing Success and Let It Chase You by Thomas J. Leonard (

How To Be Wanted: Use the Law of Attraction to Date the Man You Most Desire and Live the Life You Deserve by Romy Miller

Using the Laws of Attraction: To Find the Love of Your Life by Ron McDiarmid

The Law of Attraction by Genevieve Behrend, Prentice Mulford, Earnest Holmes, and Wallace D. Wattles

The Law of Attraction: Courses For Your Success by Beth McCain

The Universal Law of Attraction Resource Book: Your Connection to the Life You Desire by Beth McCain

Think and Grow Thin with the Law of Attraction by Kate Corbin, William Johnson, and Kimberlee Maselli

Manifest Your Desires: 365 Ways to Make Your Dreams a Reality by Esther Hicks and Jerry Hicks

The Science of Getting Rich: Discover the Secrets of the Law of Attraction by Wallace D. Wattles

Beyond the Secret: Spiritual Power and the Law of Attraction by Lisa Love

How to Talk to Your Kids About the Law of Attraction by Robin Hoch and Rich German

The Wisdom of Wallace D. Wattles II - Including: The Purpose Driven Life, The Law of Attraction & The Law of Opulence by Wallace, D. Wattles

Secret Source: The Law of Attraction Is One of Seven Ancient Hermetic Laws: Here Are the Other Six by Maja D'aoust and Adam Parfrey

Life : A Complete Operating Manual : The Secret to Life Unveiled : Who You Really Are, How Life Really Operates, and How to Unleash the Incredible Power Within! by Lauren Tratar

The Wisdom of William Walker Atkinson: The Law of Attraction, Practical Mental Influence, The Power of Concentration by William Walker Atkinson

Law of Attraction - How to Attract Money, Love, and Happiness (Guide for Living) by David R. Hooper

The Laws of Thinking: 20 Secrets to Using the Divine Power of Your Mind to Manifest Prosperity by Bishop E. Bernard Jordan

The Vortex: Where the Law of Attraction Assembles All Cooperative Relationships by Esther Hicks and Jerry Hicks
Law of Attraction: Develop Irresistible Attraction by Connie Domino (Paperback - Sep 1, 2007)
Change Your Man: Relationship Bliss in Nine Easy Steps Using the Law of Attraction (Book One) by Kenya K Stevens (

How to Attract Wealth, Health, Love, and Luck into Your Life Immediately: A Concise Manual for Personal Success by Aiman A. Al-Maimani


Mastery of Abundant Living "The Key to Mastering the Law of Attraction" by Bruce Goldwell and Tammy Lynch (

The Law of Attraction: or Thought Vibration in the Thought World by William Walker Atkinson

The Secret Revealed: Exposing the Truth About the Law of Attraction by James L. Garlow and Rick Marschall

Law of Focus for Golfers: The Science of Lowering Your Handicap (Based on the Universal Law of Attraction) by William L. Oliver, Gizelle S. River, and Reber Creative

The LAW Of SUCCESS: Napoleon Hill by Napoleon Hill

Law of Attraction Let Your Thoughts Determine Your Destiny by Digital Mind Food

The Law of Attraction: How to Get Your Man -- The Slam-Dunk Formula to Getting the Love of Your Life by Sally Huss

The Law of Attraction Plain and Simple: Create the Extraordinary Life That You Deserve by Susan Ricotti

Law of Attraction Workbook by Ted Brassfield and Ann Summer (

Law of Attraction - And How to Get What You Want in Life By Using It by James L. Benson

Women, Decode the Law of Attraction: Crack the 6 Codes: How to Think, Act & Attract what you really want from life! by Orly Katz

The Law of Attraction: And Other Secrets of Visualization by Laurel Clark

Recreating Eden: The Exquisitely Simple, Divinely Ordained Plan for Transforming Your Life and Your Planet by Julia Rogers Hamrick

The Power of Mentorship and The Law of Attraction by Don Boyer, Patti McKenna, and Mick Moore

Get Rich and Successful (Laws of Attraction Series) by Glenn Harrold (

The Law Of Attraction by Robert Collier

Emily and Jacob Explore The Law of Attraction for Kids by Shawn Halwas (Paperback - Dec 28, 2007)
The Indicator: Your Law of Attraction Quarterly No. 5 by Beth McCain (

The Little Book of Becoming: Understanding the Law of Attraction by Laurie J. Brenner

The Law of Attraction by Sarah Goldman (

Thought Vibration - Law of Attraction in the Thought World by William Walker Atkinson, Quimby Society, and Rev. Lux Newman

High Way from Hell: Using Emotion to Fan the Fire of Enlightment by Moonstone Star

The "Law of Attraction" and the "Subconscious Mind" by Dr. Michael J. Williams PhD JD.

Get the Job You Want (Laws of Attraction Series) by Glenn Harrold (

It Was YOU, All Along: An easy to understand guide how to create the reality you desire! by Gary Spinell

Law of Attraction (WHY Series) by Stefan Tony Sperry

The Sacred Rota: Waking God Book Two by Brian L. Doe and Philip F. Harris

Becoming Cinderella: A Single Mother's Journey From Tatters to Triumph using "The Secret" of the Law of Attraction by Cheryl Steinberg

Mastering the Law of Attraction: Eleven Transformational Steps to Creating an Extraordinary Life by Sonia Ricotti

Law of Attraction Toolkit: Learn How To Master The Secret (Start Receiving What You Are Wanting in Life!) by Kathleen F. Graham

Awaken to the Here and Now: Ending Your Search for Enlightenment by Kevin F. Duffy

As for your point, you are correct. One individual cannot change the course of an entire nation economy or corporation.

But an entire nation thinking the same things might be able to.

An entire corporation focused on a single goal could probably turn the company around.

What would motivate a person to take action towards a "better place" if they did not believe they could accomplish their goal of getting there?

If they did not believe they could get there, why would they take the action?

Action must be preceded by the thought that they will succeed, that thought is what is meant by a "positive thought."

Thought and intention must precede action. One does not usually get where they want to be if they don't know where that is and they won't know where that is unless they think about it and believe they can get there.

I agree, but just because one does know and does takes steps towards the goal does not mean that a coconut will not coincidentally fall from a tree and kill them while vacationing in a tropical paradise, or that a bomb will not coincidentally go off in a building next to them while they are walking down the street, or that during rush hour traffic they will not coincidentally get rear-ended by a Mack truck and die, or that etc...

All of those situations have cause and effect.

The overlap in events, to use your terminology, is a matter of unrelated(random) probability(chance)...

Mix the bible, Tony Robbins and some new age shlt and you get The Law of Attraction. Was this law also given to some enlightened leader on golden tablets in some gibberish language by angels who won't let him show them to anybody else but will graciously allow him to translate for everyone?

I find that the idea leads to unthinkable conclusions.

True but the 'random' part is caused by conscious will. The man, for some reason, decided to walk under the tree at that precise time. His subconscious mind (which knows and is aware of much more that he is aware of) did not intervene and prevent his mishap and death. (as mine did when a man was hiding in the back seat of my car!)

Therefor I believe that he (and his higher mind) chose to get hit by the coconut and die at that precise time.

I also believe that our birth and death in this world are predetermined by our higher self, and that we live many many lives and die in many many ways.

If I had chosen to be killed by knife point by a man in the back seat of my car, my subconscious higher mind would not have warned me that he was there.

When it is time for me to die, be it in my sleep peacefully or being hit by a flying coconut, I will probably have little warning.

We die when we die.

So the reason I believe the way I do has little to do with mindful logic. The truth of reality is not logical. It is spiritual and way different than you think it is.

You are just jealous spaghetti monster god because it was not named "the law of the spaghetti monster"

You had to remind me.

ummmmmm excuse me! I know I am ugly and unpleasant to talk to, but what is the reply to this post that I am reposting again. Everyone just skipped right over it like it didn't exist!

Any reply any truth to this or what?

Here it is:

The definition for emotional intelligence follows:

The awareness of and ability to manage one's emotions in a healthy and productive manner.

allpsych.com/dictionary/dictionary2.html

So this means to me if one thinks positive on a continous bases and adapts to changes quickly to achieve desires or goals then one actually builds their EQ at the same time.

Some say EQ is more important then IQ. I mean I think both are important personally, but EQ - Emotional Intelligence could be another form of using the laws of attraction.

So perhaps the laws of attraction is using your emotional intelligence.

If not then, it surely has some similiarities in the definition that is for sure.


The definition for the law of attraction:

It posits that one should never dwell on the negative, as the "metaphysical principle of life" is embodied in a "law of attraction": "you get what you think about; your thoughts determine your destiny."

So Emotional Intelligence is how one has the ability to handle situations in a positive and healthy productive manner.

One can say healthy and productive is the same as thinking positive to achieve one's goals.

Good morning Smiles


While the emotions play a significant roll in using the creative techniques that employ the Law of Attraction each of these things are completely different things.

In the creative techniques, the emotions are utilized as a guide to know when you are attracting what you want as apposed to when you are attracting what you DON'T WANT.

But it is NOT emotions themselves that create your reality, it is your THOUGHTS AND YOUR BELIEF.

Emotions and thoughts are not the same thing. If you are very depressed, and you are trying to create your reality and attract something unto yourself that you want, your depression is an indicator that you are NOT attracting it towards you because if you were, you would be excited and not depressed.

When I think of something I want, and I intend to have it, and I believe I can will, do and can have it, I get excited!!!

But if I don't believe it, and don't believe my affirmation, I am not excited. If I am depressed, that energy tells me that I am not attracting what I want.

Now when a person can CONTROL their emotions (many people don't know how to do this) it will aid them in doing the creative techniques and in attracting what they want because if you are having GOOD FEELINGS then you know what you want is being drawn to you and if you are having NEGATIVE feelings, you know that what you don't want is being drawn to you.

To clarify:
GOOD FEELINGS - JOY = HIGH VIBRATIONS,
BAD FEELINGS - Depression and hopelessness etc = LOW VIBRATIONS.

SO IT FOLLOWS THAT in order to successfully attract WHAT YOU WANT you must realize that FEELING GOOD is extremely important. So before you begin to practice the creative techniques purposefully (visualization and asking via thought) you should do what ever you can to FEEL GOOD OR FEEL BETTER.

FYI this is what "sex magic" is all about. The visualization is done during the point of orgasm and that is the highest feel-good energy some people can muster. It (the vibration) pushes the request into the formless thinking substance (mind), and creates the thing that was imaged by the thought in formless substance. Then, to continue to think and feel excited about receiving what you want will hasten the thing you want as it manifests into your experience.

So while it is great have "emotional intelligence" and control of your emotions, it is not "the law of attraction" it is simply part of the creative technique.

You can gain control of your emotions by thinking "better" thoughts, and bringing your emotional vibrations up the scale from depression to anger and on up the ladder to joy. (depression is a lower vibration than anger because depression is more hopelessness and anger has power to motivate action towards change.)


The highest energy and the most powerful attractive vibration is JOY.

If you can climb the ladder to JOY in your emotions, you can better use your thoughts to create your reality.

This is one of the reason people FAIL in creating their reality because they try to have 'positive' thoughts when they are in fear or feeling depressed or angry.

The better you feel and the closer you are to JOY the more successful your thoughts will be and the more the creative techniques will work to bring you what you ask for. You ask for a thing by thinking about it, focusing on it, visualizing it, observing it etc.


Your definition of the law of attraction is not accurate: Here is the definition:

THAT WHICH IS LIKE UNTO ITSELF IS DRAWN

This is talking about vibrations. Emotions have vibrations. (Misery loves company too.)

Do you desire to hang around depressed people when you are feeling JOY? Of course not. You will not be drawn to depressed people unless you too are depressed. If you do bump into the wrong vibration, you will feel it and you will feel uncomfortable and probably leave. You will not desire to hang around.

Even Anthony Robbins uses this creative technique of accessing better feelings to change a person's vibrations. Creative says that he is not metaphysical. This does not matter. A person can practice the creative techniques as long as they can believe the thoughts they think. Thinking and belief are what create reality.

Chapter 17 The Science of Getting Rich The summary:

THERE IS A THINKING STUFF FROM WHICH ALL THINGS ARE MADE, and which, in its original state, permeates, penetrates, and fills the interspaces of the universe.

A thought in this substance produces the thing that is imaged by the thought. A person can form things in his thought, and by impressing his thought upon formless substance can cause the thing he thinks about to be created.

In order to do this, a person must pass from the competitive to the creative mind. Otherwise he cannot be in harmony with formless intelligence, which is always creative and never competitive in spirit. A person may come into full harmony with the formless substance by entertaining a lively and sincere gratitude for the blessings it bestows upon him.

Gratitude unifies the mind of man with the intelligence of substance, so that man’s thoughts are received by the formless. A person can remain upon the creative plane only by uniting himself with the formless intelligence through a deep and continuous feeling of gratitude.

A person must form a clear and definite mental image of the things he wishes to have, to do, or to become, and he must hold this mental image in his thoughts, while being deeply grateful to the supreme that all his desires are granted to him. The person who wishes to get rich must spend his leisure hours in contemplating his vision, and in earnest thanksgiving that the reality is being given to him.

Too much stress cannot be laid on the importance of frequent contemplation of the mental image, coupled with unwavering faith and devout gratitude. This is the process by which the impression is given to the formless and the creative forces set in motion. The creative energy works through the established channels of natural growth, and of the industrial and social order.

All that is included in his mental image will surely be brought to the person who follows the instructions given above, and whose faith does not waver. What he wants will come to him through the ways of established trade and commerce.

In order to receive his own when it is ready to come to him, a person must be in action in a way that causes him to more than fill his present place. He must keep in mind the purpose to get rich through realization of his mental image.

And he must do, every day, all that can be done that day, taking care to do each act in a successful manner. He must give to every person a use value in excess of the cash value he receives, so that each transaction makes for more life, and he must hold the advancing thought so that the impression of increase will be communicated to all with whom he comes into contact.

The men and women who practice the foregoing instructions will certainly get rich, and the riches they receive will be in exact proportion to the definiteness of their vision, the fixity of their purpose, the steadiness of their faith, and the depth of their gratitude.

Good Morning Jeannie. Thank you for taking the time to reply.

You mention: So while it is great have "emotional intelligence" and control of your emotions, it is not "the law of attraction" it is simply part of the creative technique.


What you write including this passage that stuck in my head like glue tells me that emotional intelligence does help aid into understanding the laws of attraction.

It makes alot of sense to me.