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Topic: You Get What you Are.....More on Law of Attraction
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Thu 05/07/09 12:03 PM

Plants can feel vibrations and energy. They grow better when you play music for them too. Soft classical.




Yes never thought of that actually. I do have a zen meditation light melody music cd I play sometimes. That would be something I should put on now.

Thanks for the tipdrinker


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Thu 05/07/09 12:06 PM
Edited by smiless on Thu 05/07/09 12:26 PM
Well for the plants it would be called "the law of attraction" because they maybe attracted to me.

and for me it is called "the law of love" because I am sending much love to them.

So much love that I am putting on a cd of zen meditation music. lol


before I know it they might end up making humming noiseslaugh

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Thu 05/07/09 12:11 PM


Which has me thinking maybe we should call it 'the law of love'


The Law of Love!

Of course! slaphead

Now, we're going to have to do a RECALL on all those "Law of Attraction" CD's and videos have have them RELABELED! bigsmile

Notice: "We have inadvertently confused "The Law of Love" with other philosophical concepts. Please accept our deepest apologies for any inconveinence this may have caused". flowerforyou


too funny. Imagine if this would really happenlaugh

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Thu 05/07/09 03:39 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 05/07/09 03:40 PM

Plants can feel vibrations and energy. They grow better when you play music for them too. Soft classical.





Thats bs, plants do not grow better with music, much research has been done and several studies have shown NO RESULTS.

I love how popular myth becomes reality for some people.

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Thu 05/07/09 04:10 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 05/07/09 04:11 PM


Plants can feel vibrations and energy. They grow better when you play music for them too. Soft classical.





Thats bs, plants do not grow better with music, much research has been done and several studies have shown NO RESULTS.

I love how popular myth becomes reality for some people.


Than is NOT what I heard. It was even on television. I guess its all in who you choose to believe.

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Thu 05/07/09 04:15 PM



Plants can feel vibrations and energy. They grow better when you play music for them too. Soft classical.





Thats bs, plants do not grow better with music, much research has been done and several studies have shown NO RESULTS.

I love how popular myth becomes reality for some people.


Than is NOT what I heard. It was even on television. I guess its all in who you choose to believe.
Yea cause TV makes it so . . .


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Thu 05/07/09 04:19 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 05/07/09 04:20 PM
If you don't believe in energy and/or energy healing, and that energy can be felt and exchanged, and moved from one thing to another, then you are parking on wrong assumptions of science. They are just wrong.

Everything is energy and everything expends energy and takes in energy. Vibration is energy. Sound is energy. Light is energy, food is energy, matter is energy. Sound can effect things and people. So can light. Sound can shatter glass. Low frequency waves can have detrimental effects on people. They are also energy.

Sound can effect plants in a positive or negative way. That it has not been scientifically verified to your satisfaction is not convincing and does not prove otherwise.

Logic follows that if sound can effect things at all, it can effect all things. If it can effect things at all, that effect can be either beneficial or harmful. That is pure logic.

Pure logic makes it so.


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Thu 05/07/09 04:32 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 05/07/09 04:38 PM

If you don't believe in energy and/or energy healing, and that energy can be felt and exchanged, and moved from one thing to another, then you are parking on wrong assumptions of science. They are just wrong.

Everything is energy and everything expends energy and takes in energy. Vibration is energy. Sound is energy. Light is energy, food is energy, matter is energy. Sound can effect things and people. So can light. Sound can shatter glass. Low frequency waves can have detrimental effects on people. They are also energy.

Sound can effect plants in a positive or negative way. That it has not been scientifically verified to your satisfaction is not convincing and does not prove otherwise.

Logic follows that if sound can effect things at all, it can effect all things. If it can effect things at all, that effect can be either beneficial or harmful. That is pure logic.

Pure logic makes it so.


HAHAHA, its soo easy to get you going.

Sure, I can take a loud speaker hook it up to the sound system for a massive outdoor concept and place it a few inch from a plant crank it up and after a few days watch the plant die as all its soil it shook loose from the pot its planted in lol.

Your everything is energy statement is not only WRONG but it shows your ignorance.

Matter can be converted to energy, matter can store energy in various forms, but matter is NOT energy. Energy is energy, matter is matter.

Each discreet mode of reality is its own thing, you cannot make broad stroke statements like you tend to enjoy to do and keep any kind of meaningful progression that leads to useful knowledge.

JB you should go back to school and spends years learning how science actually works, and go become a scientist, you definitely have the imagination to be a great one, just currently don't know squat.

And as far as healing energy there is simply no such thing. You can take energy and place it into a processes that's function is to heal, but energy on its own does not know what to do to accomplish ANYTHING purposeful. The sun is a great example, it is required for life, but also destroys life. It takes chlorophyll to make it useful to plants as a direct energy source. Just one example . . .

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Thu 05/07/09 04:42 PM
Okay guys....its nice to have a intellectual ,simulating conversation but its not nice to try to force your view or beliefs upon others....This is an awesome chat room until you start taking out the boxing gloves...laugh I'm thinking of renameing the site Virtual Boxing 101..

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Thu 05/07/09 04:42 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Thu 05/07/09 04:51 PM


If you don't believe in energy and/or energy healing, and that energy can be felt and exchanged, and moved from one thing to another, then you are parking on wrong assumptions of science. They are just wrong.

Everything is energy and everything expends energy and takes in energy. Vibration is energy. Sound is energy. Light is energy, food is energy, matter is energy. Sound can effect things and people. So can light. Sound can shatter glass. Low frequency waves can have detrimental effects on people. They are also energy.

Sound can effect plants in a positive or negative way. That it has not been scientifically verified to your satisfaction is not convincing and does not prove otherwise.

Logic follows that if sound can effect things at all, it can effect all things. If it can effect things at all, that effect can be either beneficial or harmful. That is pure logic.

Pure logic makes it so.


HAHAHA, its soo easy to get you going.

Sure, I can take a loud speaker hook it up to the sound system for a massive outdoor concept and place it a few inch from a plant crank it up and after a few days watch the plant die as all its soil it shook loose from the pot its planted in lol.

Your everything is energy statement is not only WRONG but it shows your ignorance.

Matter can be converted to energy, matter can store energy in various forms, but matter is NOT energy. Energy is energy, matter is matter.

Each discreet mode of reality is its own thing, you cannot make broad stroke statements like you tend to enjoy to do and keep any kind of meaningful progression that leads to useful knowledge.

JB you should go back to school and spends years learning how science actually works, and go become a scientist, you definitely have the imagination to be a great one, just currently don't know squat.

And as far as healing energy there is simply no such thing. You can take energy and place it into a processes that's function is to heal, but energy on its own does not know what to do to accomplish ANYTHING purposeful. The sun is a great example, it is required for life, but also destroys life. It takes chlorophyll to make it useful to plants as a direct energy source. Just one example . . .


But life is energy.

Matter may not be energenic..lol but any living thing has energy in it that it will expel and recieve from it's environment.

Sorry for the butt in...lol

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Thu 05/07/09 05:09 PM
Well it is too late now. I have already put in my meditative zen music for the plant. I see the plant swaying back and forth now because of itlaugh

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Thu 05/07/09 06:14 PM

Well it is too late now. I have already put in my meditative zen music for the plant. I see the plant swaying back and forth now because of itlaugh
laugh

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Thu 05/07/09 06:26 PM


If you don't believe in energy and/or energy healing, and that energy can be felt and exchanged, and moved from one thing to another, then you are parking on wrong assumptions of science. They are just wrong.

Everything is energy and everything expends energy and takes in energy. Vibration is energy. Sound is energy. Light is energy, food is energy, matter is energy. Sound can effect things and people. So can light. Sound can shatter glass. Low frequency waves can have detrimental effects on people. They are also energy.

Sound can effect plants in a positive or negative way. That it has not been scientifically verified to your satisfaction is not convincing and does not prove otherwise.

Logic follows that if sound can effect things at all, it can effect all things. If it can effect things at all, that effect can be either beneficial or harmful. That is pure logic.

Pure logic makes it so.


HAHAHA, its soo easy to get you going.

Sure, I can take a loud speaker hook it up to the sound system for a massive outdoor concept and place it a few inch from a plant crank it up and after a few days watch the plant die as all its soil it shook loose from the pot its planted in lol.

Your everything is energy statement is not only WRONG but it shows your ignorance.

Matter can be converted to energy, matter can store energy in various forms, but matter is NOT energy. Energy is energy, matter is matter.

Each discreet mode of reality is its own thing, you cannot make broad stroke statements like you tend to enjoy to do and keep any kind of meaningful progression that leads to useful knowledge.

JB you should go back to school and spends years learning how science actually works, and go become a scientist, you definitely have the imagination to be a great one, just currently don't know squat.

And as far as healing energy there is simply no such thing. You can take energy and place it into a processes that's function is to heal, but energy on its own does not know what to do to accomplish ANYTHING purposeful. The sun is a great example, it is required for life, but also destroys life. It takes chlorophyll to make it useful to plants as a direct energy source. Just one example . . .



The kind of 'education' you are talking about (academic) does more to destroy creativity and imagination that anything else. There are so many WRONG assumptions that some of your science is based on that science has gone off to a dead end and they don't have much of a clue about the nature of this reality. Yes that's my 'uneducated' opinion. tongue2

On the other hand, to say that matter is NOT energy is not logical. It just seems ignorant to me. It is energy in a solid form but it is energy just the same. That is like saying that ice is not H20. Just because it is in "solid" form does not make it "matter." You know as well as I do that nothing is "solid" and that the atom itself is nothing but energy and appears to be full of a lot of empty space.

I would not "go back" to school and waste years of my time to come out thinking like the rest of the uncreative and unimaginative thinkers who still argue over these things ... because they still don't have the answers and they are still locked in place by some basic assumptions that are just taken for granted and have not really been proven and they ignore the evidence right in front of their faces.






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Thu 05/07/09 06:36 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 05/07/09 06:37 PM
Sure, I can take a loud speaker hook it up to the sound system for a massive outdoor concept and place it a few inch from a plant crank it up and after a few days watch the plant die as all its soil it shook loose from the pot its planted in lol.



Now if you can effect a plant (or anything) with a sound system located "close" to the plant this is proof that sound EFFECTS THINGS.

Okay, if you lower the sound so that it is not harmful and you cannot see the effect of harm on the plant, you have to still assume that there is some effect anyway.

Sound either effects a plant or it does not. You cannot draw a line between volume and distance and say at this distance it will have an effect and at this distance it will have NO effect.

That's not logical at all.

The effects would diminish or change but they would not disappear.

Just because you can't hear the low frequency of vibrations that elephants send to each other does not mean they don't exist. Now we know they do exist because we found the signals with technology.

How many other signals are we unaware of? To say the don't exist because we can't see or hear them proves your lack of logic and common sense. You have no creative imagination or logic. Your whole world is confined by what you can see and touch and by what science has proven to you in some way.

Seems like a box to me.



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Thu 05/07/09 06:44 PM
The question can sound waves affect every living species?

Some say yes others say nogrumble

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Thu 05/07/09 07:28 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Thu 05/07/09 07:36 PM

Sure, I can take a loud speaker hook it up to the sound system for a massive outdoor concept and place it a few inch from a plant crank it up and after a few days watch the plant die as all its soil it shook loose from the pot its planted in lol.



Now if you can effect a plant (or anything) with a sound system located "close" to the plant this is proof that sound EFFECTS THINGS.

Okay, if you lower the sound so that it is not harmful and you cannot see the effect of harm on the plant, you have to still assume that there is some effect anyway.

Sound either effects a plant or it does not. You cannot draw a line between volume and distance and say at this distance it will have an effect and at this distance it will have NO effect.

That's not logical at all.

The effects would diminish or change but they would not disappear.

Just because you can't hear the low frequency of vibrations that elephants send to each other does not mean they don't exist. Now we know they do exist because we found the signals with technology.

How many other signals are we unaware of? To say the don't exist because we can't see or hear them proves your lack of logic and common sense. You have no creative imagination or logic. Your whole world is confined by what you can see and touch and by what science has proven to you in some way.

Seems like a box to me.



Who the hell is saying sound has no effect on things?

You mentioned that playing classical music would make a plant grow faster.

I am saying that sound is the smacking of air molecules together, which then would cause a plant to vibrate at rather large intensities which in no way supports the notion that pretty music makes plants happy and grow fast . . . lol its so funny watching you think.

Why wouldn't a jackhammer knocking away concrete a few feet away from a plant have any less of an impact? . . . I can see no easy way to get sound to effect a plant for the better, no less sounds that humans call pleasing . . . (this means I can see a very hard way that would be easier accomplished with something other then sound, I am willing to bet you will never figure out what that is . . .)

Entertaining at least, keep plucking away perhaps Ill come to a happy place and explain how sound could marginally help a plant later on.

Did I mention this was my second science fair project and a pet idea of mine since childhood?

I think I failed to mention that hahah.

drinker


All in fun . .. seriously JB!

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Fri 05/08/09 03:12 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 05/08/09 03:15 AM
Oh I see so because your plants did not like the music you played for them for your science fair project you have concluded beyond a reasonable doubt that the idea is silly. Perhaps the plants just did not like you. Heheheh.

Besides, I checked. I did not say the plants grew faster. I said they grew better. Why does everyone think that better means faster? Better could be that they just looked better, stayed healthier etc.

The sound of a jackhammer and the sound of classical music have different effects on humans. Why would you assume that on some level they would not effect plants or animals? These are vibrations. Just because us more intelligent animals have the awareness to determine that WE THINK AND FEEL that this difference is "bad or good" you think that sounds have no effects. mmmmmmm.

Sounds have definite effects on animals. (a higher thinking life form than a plant) and we do know that plants can detect the vibration of light and lean towards it. Some experiments found that plants will lean towards the location of the music. I think that is evidence that they can feel it and find it "pleasing" or "life giving" like the sun.

Playing songs to plants for science fair, well I have my doubts if I find that strong evidence. There could be many variables going on. Maybe they just didn't like your kind of music. Hheheheh

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Fri 05/08/09 09:19 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Fri 05/08/09 10:08 AM

Oh I see so because your plants did not like the music you played for them for your science fair project you have concluded beyond a reasonable doubt that the idea is silly. Perhaps the plants just did not like you. Heheheh.

Besides, I checked. I did not say the plants grew faster. I said they grew better. Why does everyone think that better means faster? Better could be that they just looked better, stayed healthier etc.

The sound of a jackhammer and the sound of classical music have different effects on humans. Why would you assume that on some level they would not effect plants or animals? These are vibrations. Just because us more intelligent animals have the awareness to determine that WE THINK AND FEEL that this difference is "bad or good" you think that sounds have no effects. mmmmmmm.

Sounds have definite effects on animals. (a higher thinking life form than a plant) and we do know that plants can detect the vibration of light and lean towards it. Some experiments found that plants will lean towards the location of the music. I think that is evidence that they can feel it and find it "pleasing" or "life giving" like the sun.

Playing songs to plants for science fair, well I have my doubts if I find that strong evidence. There could be many variables going on. Maybe they just didn't like your kind of music. Hheheheh

Man once you decide you are on the other side of an argument your reading comprehension goes out the window.

Please go back and reread my posts carefully actually trying to understand what I am saying.

Animals have ears and have adapted to make use of them to gather information about our environment.

Do you think music would have an effect on the way you feel if you where deaf?

JB, I started my interest in this topic back in grade school with a science fair project, no where did I say this was the sum total of evidence against music making plants more healthy quite the opposite in fact, you really need to stop fighting people in threads just to try to make a point and actually ask questions and try to understand. But I suspect your motivation is not trying to understand but to preach your ideas.

The kind of 'education' you are talking about (academic) does more to destroy creativity and imagination that anything else. There are so many WRONG assumptions that some of your science is based on that science has gone off to a dead end and they don't have much of a clue about the nature of this reality.
You really couldn't be more wrong. EVERYTHING we take for granted about reality has been achieved through science EVERYTHING. Stop taking it for granted and learn how we explore reality objectively.

Yes that's my 'uneducated' opinion
That is certainly true.

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Fri 05/08/09 01:47 PM
Cognitive Dissonance.

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Fri 05/08/09 02:04 PM
Edited by Jess642 on Fri 05/08/09 02:05 PM


Plants can feel vibrations and energy. They grow better when you play music for them too. Soft classical.





Thats bs, plants do not grow better with music, much research has been done and several studies have shown NO RESULTS.

I love how popular myth becomes reality for some people.


You remind me so much of Dr Suess' Grinch!!!!!

Under that baseball hat lies a grumblebum...laugh



the parts of my garden I share my energy with, thrive.... and the parts of the garden that get a little overlooked, dont do as well, in bearing fruit or leaf numbers...

I dont need scientific pooha to know what is being eaten right in front of us...

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