Bushi...I see you disagree with my thought...that is honorable.That is your truth and I would never take that from you.Just know...there is more than what you see going on..and it has nothing to do with what you see outside...but everything to do with what you see inside.

Abracadabra...this is not something that is proven on a thread...nor from anyone starting a thread...it is proven from you.You hold the key to that evidence....no one will ever take you there..no church...no guru...no bible or spiritual book....the truth is YOU and YOU only!

I am still lost as to why there is so much discussion on that which is innately happening within all of us.

Is it the labels? Is it so difficult to reconcile the real from the illusion?


I struggle with this thread...but enjoy reading the differences.

Actually I am. You and Creative and Billy are only three people.

There are many more than three people in my life who absolutely agree with me. And this is certainly not the only club I belong to or the only forum I discuss things in. You are not the only people I know.

Every day I run across more and more people who believe in, practice and teach the Law of attraction.

No one sees everything. So this comment is to state the obvious. But don't you think its arrogant to claim what another knows, or fails to know without demonstration?

This is the point. We CAN share knowledge. However if a person is ever to communicate anything greater then common platitudes then we must use actual manifesting measurable events as placeholders for reality.

What is interesting is there have been folks that seek to prove this law of attraction. They have brought together people who are trained in meditation and have powerful positive thoughts.'

The tests while IMHO not done very well did show exactly what I expect. Nothing.

The whole concept of knowledge is tossed in the trash with the single concept of reality that is directly created through thought. If thought physically alters reality then reality cannot be known and is not constant.

Its exactly these kinds of platitudes that do nothing to further knowledge. This was the same thing said to people who where skeptical of a flat earth. I am sure the same things said by Jim Jones, or David Koresh.

Look within yourself after I have just spent 20+ pages to try to convince you that one bad negative thought can make you get into a car wreck. Your loved ones who where murdered attracted that to them through negative thinking. That hurricane was responding to the bad vibes, that cancer went away becuase of my chi . . .

Its all the same. If you really want to help other people and you really believe in any of this related woo woo, then you would try to objectively study it . . . . and if you where honest with yourself eventually you would come to the same conclusion that I have . . . its all bs. Now with the caveat that once you start to objectively research this you also know that real evidence can always change your mind.

Bring me a single trancedental master who can levitate ANYTHING, that can heal the sick, who can with but a thought change reality while sitting still and not taking action . . . blah blah platitude platitude . . . that is all I get.

It is resistance to what is. The law of attraction will work once you accept what is. That is, accept your situation. Wake up to the moment and realize that you can start there, turn loose of the past, and create something new. The power is yours. If you want it.

JB... I already live it.... have done instinctually all my life.


it's the to-ing and fro-ing of others I dont understand....

Objective reality = truth

Subjective reality = opinion

WOW...Bushi...that was some serious typing there!What can I say...I love you!Peace to you and yours!

You can prove the law of attraction, but you cannot see how it works. And the proof is always a matter of what it takes to be convinced and how many people agree.

Every incident attributed to The Law of Attraction" can be attributed and explained to the "scientific mind" as "good luck" or "bad luck" or "Random chance" or "Accident" or "coincidence." That is not proof to them, hardly so.

There is no way to 'see' HOW it works hence whether it works or not, and even if it does, you will never be able to prove it to the scientific community or to a skeptic who seeks to "measure" everything and insists on knowing every detail of a quantum event.



This is an accurate statement. Reality is NOT CONSTANT. Perhaps this is what is so disturbing to you that you resist it.

Just because some things in this reality appear to be constant, does not mean that everything is constant. It is only assumed so.

And Billy if you are so absolutely certain you are right what is it that you are resisting so intensely?

Why don't you just sit back and relax with the deep knowledge that you are right and everyone else who disagrees is just an idiot.

We don't mind, really.

No, Creative that's just your opinion.

Truly helping people is a rewarding experience. It does help the mind heal if one is in distress.

One can just do it without thinking about any law of attraction, religion, or spiritual conquest.

It is a healing in itself when you can see a child smile for the first time that they get a bowl of rice all to their own.

I have done it for over 15 years and am very humble because of it.

Understanding the situations of peoples lives is a spiritual experience in itself.

Next time you see a man or woman take his hand and put it on your heart and look in the eyes of that person and smile.

You will see admiration, love, and happiness at that moment.

That didn't take any knowledge, rules, laws, or studying yet it had some true powers behind it never forgotten.

May the humantarians of the world who have little to say but more actions to prove continue to educate us from the peaceful actions they do each and everyday without having the privilige of being in the spotlight.

To answer this question, I still love a good challenging discussion or debate. I actually learn a lot from it.

I am approaching a point where I will no longer engage in such meaningless mind poison, but for now, its still educational for me.

Smiless...truer and more beautiful words were never spoken.I say it again..there is no book...religion or guru that holds the answers..it is YOU that holds the answers.You have demostrated that you have found the answer Smiless...Kudoos!

That is the vibration of Love and compassion. Everyone understands and can feel that even across language barriers.

Going through the motions of 'helping' someone will not help or be appreciated unless there is a vibration of love happening.

You smiles, have that vibration.

Uh...yeah!

It is the difference between fact and opinion. Facts can be objectively demonstrated and opinions are subjective to that which cannot.

That is also my opinion, right?

That is what you believe. Actually facts must be objectively demonstrated and believed and agreed upon to be finally given the honor of being called "fact."

Thank you for the compliment

Even nice compliments written on a internet thread can bring happiness for the moment