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As to making up one's "own religion"... I've read enough of your posts on Pantheism to know that you speak from experience. Not only do you make up religions - you give a whole new meaning to those that have existed for millenia. I'm in total agreement with you on this Eljay. Pantheism is a very loosely defined abstract yet divinely powerful concept. This is one of the reasons I find it so attractive. It's not divisive at all, on the contrary it view all of nature as one. This allows a person to embrace many spiritualities as all having some relavence to the divine. Buddhism has many different forms. Then there's Taoism, which also has many other forms. In fact, even Wicca allows for pantheistic forms in their traditions as well. That's what I love about pantheism, it allows you to commune with God in a way that embraces many concepts and ideas. It's not a rigid dogma carved in stone at all. Don't let anyone tell you that it is.  I also don't proselytize pantheism as the "only authorative word of God". So it doesn't matter that it's abstract and unique to the individual. It's a spiritual experience, not a religious dogma. The Jews wrote a very authorative dogamatic book based on the idea of a jealous vengeful God that can be appeased by blood sacrifices. They demand that anyone who doesn't believe them is rejecting this egotistical jealous God and will make him angry and have to face his wrath. Then some guy came along and said that God proabably isn't like that. They nailed him to a pole and then the Christians used that to keep the dogma going. They still claim that the Jews speak for God, but that Jesus trumps the Jews in certain situations, unless of course they want to be bigoted about something, then the flip back to the OT.  They can use Jesus to support the OT or not at their whim. In fact, they are extremely whimsical about it. They use the OT to denounce same-gender love. Yet they totally ignore the OT when it comes to matter of women speaking out on religoius matters.  It's an authoritarian religion that has become a whimsical crutch to use "God's Word" to beat people over the head with whenever it's profitable to someone's lust for bigotry. Yes panthesism is abstract and thus it has many forms. But the Bible is SUPPOSED to be the authoritative word of God! Yet look at the religions that are based on it! They are as diverse as the pantheistic ones! We have the Jews, the Muslims, the Catholics, and a myriad of confused and protesting protestants that protest against everything including each other. All in the name of a book that is supposed to be the ULTIMATE FINAL AUTHORITATIVE WORD OF GOD! Do you see something wrong with that picture?  Actually, yes - I do. However, I don't blame the book on the disagreements people have with it. I find a basic consistancy that exists in both the New Testament and the Old, but not one that is understood by a grammer school education - so suffice it to say that interperting the book is not "easy". It isn't an "instruction manuel" - per se, though I often hear it refered to as being one. I guess it's just the way that an individual choses to interpret what thy are reading. Still - everyone can't be right. It's just not concievable that contradictry thought will bring about the same result. Whether it is between a Moslum or Hindu, or a Baptist and a Seventh Day Adventist. Where they disagree comes not in how the book (bible) is written, but how it is read. So if there is wrong to be found - I start looking at interpretation - not the source material. That does not mean I don't examine the source material, just that it is not my first choice. If the interpretation seems logical, yet it presents conflict - then I look to the source. I did this with Buddism, Catholicism, Christainity, New Age - all of the philosophies I've "sampled" over the years. I still say interpretation is more often than not the issue. |
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So if there is wrong to be found - I start looking at interpretation - not the source material. Well from my point of view it's just plain wrong for God to be a male chauvinist that is appeased by blood sacrifices. It doesn't truly matter how much interpretation you do, there are facts about the Bible that simply cannot be dismissed no matter who's doing the interpretation. I don't believe in a God who is appeased by having people nailed to poles. Period. The whole story is a story of accusation and authortity. Mankind is being accused of wrong-doing and the idea is that mankind is guilty and needs to repent and that all men are sinners. Moreover this is tied specifically to a particular dogma that was written by an obviously male chaunvinisitic society. You can look to make excuses for such a God until you're blue in the face. As far as I'm concerned no God would be that ruthless to begin with. The idea of a God who was so desperate that he had to have himself (or his son) nailed to a pole so that he can forgive men their rebellious sins is just not how I care to think of the creator of this universe. If it's true, then I'm sorely disappointed in our creator. However, I'm confident that the entire book was just an attempt by a male chauvinistic society to claim that their bigotries are the word of God. I just don't see any reason at all to beleive that those crude and ruthless men speak for God. I see no reason to believe that God would be as crude as they demand God must be. In fact, I'd rather atheism be true than to discover that the Biblical picture is the true face of God. I just have absolutely no respect at all for a God that is appeased by blood sacrifices. No interpretations necessary. |
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each living thing is a circle, half of the human finite, the other half infinite, each thing speaking out half infinite truth, half finite truth, so in this way, half of all words are ture, and half of all words are as less true??
anything that seek to prove how all words are ture, see what first created the false or less true half, so then only seek to change the "false" half, which is to not change the root belief, but simply add more to it??? in this way, indeed, all things spoken can be true, and it is but to find the true half, that unviel the most accurate of what is less true??? but indeed, all things must come to total self confidence in what itself first believe, then lose it, denounce it all, then it begin to see humans past the first belief held, that said not to love unless the same as self, and seek then to love for all other's sake, not just for the sake of itself, and in this way, find the half truth that is in all other's, so propogate all the most truth or love in all other's, which is the half truth that is the infinite half??? it could be said, that to accept oneself, is to have confidence, but how can one accept itself, less it first accept what is outside, which then show it how to accept itself??? the same as to say, to forgive oneself, one must learn how by practicing on other's, and why all evil was given unto the world as a blessing in disguise, then when turning all truth into the infinite half, this alone allow evil to be solved, never destroyed, as perfect love solve, not create more of the same, as how can perfect love be evil itself, which is to despise, as can one hate anything, without first despising or distaining it??? what rob the soul of love but distain, what rob the soul of love but despise, what rob the soul but hate??? how can one erase evil, which first hated, by hating it??? does it not in trying to fix it, become as the same??? the perpetual battle of good and evil, only first come forth from the root of the tree, the first thoughts of humans??? peace |
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dude!!! the "magic" i see has visited your door, lol... everyone here is rolling on the floor laughing, lol... peace abracadabra magic infinite man, that hold the "magic" wand of equality in the heart. |
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I think all this proof is mere poof
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Edited by
davidben1
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Tue 04/21/09 09:08 PM
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I think all this proof is mere poof does that mean all your own words a mere poof??? what is proof of anything??? what actually happen??? what actually happen??? does not EACH SPEAK what itself see happening??? how can one deem all other's as mere "poof", and deem itself as not "poof" as well??? would not this be but one set of eye's deeming all other's as ignorant, but self as wise??? how can this be as so??? do not all eye's but speak good wisdom, or the human eye soon come to believe all is as naught, but itself??? would this not lead but to self hearing only what is totally in agreement to itself alone??? what if a entire planet did this??? what would become of all??? many birds of a feather, all flocking together, just deeming all outside of it's 'agreement group' as no way correct??? well, it seems this would lead to not even hearing many personal freinds, and even family, as speaking what itself feel as real, so not meaningful at all??? how can this be so, if self feeling are real??? it seems this would lead but to "not hearing" many that speak with just as good of eye sight, and valid feelings as self??? is this why the world can come to distain, so hate so many, in time, all that do not speak what self wish to hear??? is this why it can come to a point in time, when if someone does not drive as self wish, they are evil bastards, and soon, might get a tire iron to the head, or for some, maybe other's are so dumb, and stupid, they got shot down??? is this why man has come to act like all things but itself is valuable??? just questions you wise insight make this one reality think of??? that is all... peace dear friend... |
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curious...why does everyone want proof? i haven't seen anyone ask for proof about other beliefs. goddess or faeries or other things  it was just something I've been curious about and woud like to look into further 
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A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it.
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Edited by
davidben1
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Sat 04/25/09 05:41 PM
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A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. if all humans as people, are blades of grass in the large field called the earth, than each blade of grass that touch another effect it, and since all blades of grass touch another, all effect the entire field the earth, so one lie, change the entire course of mankind??? the wisdom to divide a lie from the truth, but come from all words as just equal data, no matter how the first inclination seem it to be??? anything that look to find love for the preservation of all as one, become one as a wise tower unto the skies, where all unknowing of the unknown does not exist, and all possibility become blended into one, wisdom unto infinite bliss of the past and present and future as one, the NOW, instant creation of all things human??? each piece of data a piece of the portrait of the universe and cosmos secrets, locked behind closed doors with the dark skeleton's key of bias, except for the heart that see all things human as equal, no matter what the mind may present as evidence and reality??? peace in, peace out, peace in, peace out, just as the breath of each human strive for existence??? |
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I saw BigFoot exit a saucer like vehicle one time when I was Snipe Hunting the Bayous
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I saw BigFoot exit a saucer like vehicle one time when I was Snipe Hunting the Bayous What are ya smokin there ,Sharp? |
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curious...why does everyone want proof? i haven't seen anyone ask for proof about other beliefs. goddess or faeries or other things Good point, as I understand it faith is all about believing without proof "Proof denies faith and without faih, I am nothing" says God "Ah but (pick your favorite supposed piece of proof here) is a dead giveaway, isn't?" says man "Oh, I hadn't thought of that" says God and God promtly disappears in a puff of logic |
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A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. if all humans as people, are blades of grass in the large field called the earth, than each blade of grass that touch another effect it, and since all blades of grass touch another, all effect the entire field the earth, so one lie, change the entire course of mankind??? the wisdom to divide a lie from the truth, but come from all words as just equal data, no matter how the first inclination seem it to be??? anything that look to find love for the preservation of all as one, become one as a wise tower unto the skies, where all unknowing of the unknown does not exist, and all possibility become blended into one, wisdom unto infinite bliss of the past and present and future as one, the NOW, instant creation of all things human??? each piece of data a piece of the portrait of the universe and cosmos secrets, locked behind closed doors with the dark skeleton's key of bias, except for the heart that see all things human as equal, no matter what the mind may present as evidence and reality??? peace in, peace out, peace in, peace out, just as the breath of each human strive for existence??? philosophy fail. |
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hELLO i THINK YOUR RITE TO each there oan and the lord keeps his eye on every thing and ose when people do beleive in him but enough about that how is your day going I hope just fine so if you want to talk to me just rite me back ok.
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^^ "philosophy fail" - lol
i'm glad to read that people are getting more light hearted in this thread btw - here's a new quote i've discovered that i feel applies directly 
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A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. if all humans as people, are blades of grass in the large field called the earth, than each blade of grass that touch another effect it, and since all blades of grass touch another, all effect the entire field the earth, so one lie, change the entire course of mankind??? the wisdom to divide a lie from the truth, but come from all words as just equal data, no matter how the first inclination seem it to be??? anything that look to find love for the preservation of all as one, become one as a wise tower unto the skies, where all unknowing of the unknown does not exist, and all possibility become blended into one, wisdom unto infinite bliss of the past and present and future as one, the NOW, instant creation of all things human??? each piece of data a piece of the portrait of the universe and cosmos secrets, locked behind closed doors with the dark skeleton's key of bias, except for the heart that see all things human as equal, no matter what the mind may present as evidence and reality??? peace in, peace out, peace in, peace out, just as the breath of each human strive for existence??? philosophy fail. i see see see, said the blind man, lol... what shall "philosophy" fail at??? what make words "philosophy"??? is there a list of "words", that fall into the "sector", of philosophy??? are not all words just words??? would not the "thing", wished to be created, have to be known, to know if this was not created, or if there was a "failure"??? so, the motive behind the words, be the largest tell of what happen when speaking them, so then what is created from them??? so, why, shall philosophy fail??? anything, can say something shall fail, so the "why", and "how", is the thing most important to know why all things fail, at.......??? what??? if one fall of a bike, to see how to ride, was that a failing??? if one lay on the ground, and does not get up, is that the failure??? what constitue's "failure"??? is this "subjective", to each human in the world??? hum... peace |
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ooops wrong thread. i thought u said poof!
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