even if u dont think jesus lived the story will teach u a good way 2 run your life

No it's not the only answer. If you've really looked then you'll see there are others. It's just the one most of us believe... again that's what faith is.

Well that should be obvious.

Other belief systems don't typically claim that their goddess or faeries or whatever are jealous egotistical demons who will be mean toward anyone who doesn't believe in them.

Christians are the ones who demand that Jesus was God and obnoxiously proselytize this belief to other people often threatening them that if they refuse to believe this that they will suffer dire consequences, not the least is being totally degraded and disrepsected by the Christian community.

The whole point is moot anyway.

Even if Jesus had lived there are many facts that don't match up with what Christians claims.

First off, Jesus never wrote anything down, and even the men who claimed to speak of him never even bothered to claim that Jesus had asked them to write anything down for future generations.

Secondly, the men who claimed to speak for Jesus clearly stated that Jesus himself had told them and the multitudes that everything he was prophesizing would come to pass before their generations had passed:

Matt.24
[34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.


Mark.13
[30] Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.


Luke.21
[31] So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
[32] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.


Supposedly Jesus was saying this directly to the men to which he was speaking. He wasn't suggesting that they write this down for some future generation some 2000 years later!

So even if we accept the Jesus existed, and accept that the men who wrote the gospels were authorized to speak for him, we must accept that what he had stated was to happen within the generation in which he lived.

So to believe that it would apply to our generation 2000 years later simply isn't supported by the text.

Third, According to the gospels Jesus actually denounced the instructions that the God of Abraham had given to the Jews.

The God of Abraham had clearly commanded the Jews to judge their brothers and sisters and to stone sinners to death.

But Jesus renounced that commandment and taught people not to judge others and he also disappoved of stoning sinners to death.

The God of Abraham taught people to seek revenge as in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, yet Jesus renounced that teaching and taught that people should turn forgive their trespassers and turn the other cheek instead.

Forth, if Jesus was the Son of the God of Abraham, then the God of Abraham is totally insane.

Why?

Because the God of Abraham commanded the Jews to murder 'heathens' where a 'heathen' is anyone who disagrees with the teachings of the God of Abraham. He also told them as his First and foremost commandment thou shalt not have any other Gods before him!

Yet John has Jesus saying:

John 14
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Here Jesus is plaching himself before the God of Abraham. He's saying that the only way to get to the Father is through him. You must place Jesus before the God of Abraham and violate the very first of the ten commandments of the God of Abraham in order to do so.

In order to believe that Jesus was the Son of the God of Abraham we need to believe that the God of Abraham is either insane or is suffering from Alzheimer's disease and simply can't remember his previous commandments.

John also has Jesus saying the following:

John 8
[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Once again, if we are to accept these as the actual words of Jesus then Jesus is sending horribly mixed and confusing messages. How can Jesus be the "son" of a God when he's claiming to have existed even before that God existed?

At best this would be a God that sends horribly mixed ambiguous messages. More than likely the story is made up.

Even if it could be proven that a man named Jesus had actually lived, if these are his words it's highly unlikely he was anything other than a mortal man who was attempting to denounce the Old Testament in favor of a more peaceful and loving way of life.

Although the gospels even have Jesus contradicting himself in many ways.

My own assessment is that it's highly unlikely that the Bible contains the exact words of any individual who had ever lived. It appears to be total demagoguery possibly based on the life of a man who attempted to teaching the ways of the Buddha in a land where he couldn't do that directly.

The teachings of Jesus match the teachings of Buddha and not at all the teachings of the violent jealous God of Abraham.

So it's totally moot whether or not Jesus lived. The real question is why does modern Christianity so twist his teachings? They attempt to use the teachings of Jesus to support the very dogma that Jesus himself denounced (i.e. hatred of same-gender love, etc), which come from the Old Testament not the New.

So even if Jesus had existed I personally don't believe that authors of the gospels got his message right, and I certainly don't accept modern "Christianity" to have anything at all to do with the man. They totally abuse his teaching in an attempt to support the bigotry of the Old Testament and cause divisiveness among men by judging anyone who refuses to recognize Jesus as the sacrificial lamb of the blood-thirsty evil God of Abraham.

The religion called "Christianity" is the anti-thesis of Jesus anyway whether he actually lived or not.

Overall I would tend to agree with you.

Although if we look at what Jesus actually taught in the way of moral values they are precisely the same things that the Buddha taught.

So you could follow Buddhism and end up living the same life.

Much of what modern Christians use Jesus for is an excuse for Bigotry. They use Jesus as an excuse to judge others.

For example, many Christian churches and organizations denounce same-gender relationships as being evil and against the will of God.

But that doesn't come from Jesus. That comes from using Jesus as a rubber doll to beat the Old Testament over the heads of people.

It has nothing to do with Jesus actaully. It's just an excuse to use Jesus to support the predjudices and violence of the God of Abraham. Many of which Jesus himself actually denounced according to the very gospels.

Christians also often use Jesus as an excuse to label other people as 'heathens' and as having rejected God simply because those people don't accept the Christian views of using Jesus to support the violent and jealous God of Abraham.

In short, Christians use Jesus as an excuse to judge others more often than not. Often using the mean and jealous God of Abraham as their excuse.

They even use Jesus to denounce the teaching of evolution, etc.

They use Jesus as an excuse to thump the Old Testament.

But even according to the gospels Jesus himself disagreed with many of the ways of the jealous God of Abraham. Jesus denounced the judging of others, Jesus deounced the stoning of sinners, Jesus denounced the seeking of revenge (i.e. an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth) and instead taught to turn the other cheek.

Clearly Jesus himself did not even agree with the teachings of the God of Abraham.

The actual teachings of Jesus are much more in line with the teachings of Buddha. Without any doubt whatsoever.

Jesus didn't even agree with the jealous God of Abraham if you can believe the gospels. That's why he was crucified. He blasphemed the teachings of the God of Abraham. Jesus was a 'heathen' in the truest sense of the word based on the teachings of the Old Testament.

That's why the Jews had him crucified.

They were merely doing precisely as the God of Abraham had instructed them to do.

Jesus was the anti-thesis of the God of Abraham.

There's just no way that Jesus could have been the sacrifical lamb of the God of Abraham, much less his son.

So the question of whether or not Jesus historically lived is truly a moot question as far as modern Christianity is concerned. The religion can't be true as they have it laid out in any case.

I've been given my own signs. Little things. But not little to me. I know.

ditto sweets

I'm with you, feral.

excellent question

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Ditto

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/marshall_gauvin/did_jesus_really_live.html

Jesus would like to talk to you too Fabo

Mirror Mirror you have such horns
with prickly points like roses’ thorns
you’re like the queen of monthly porns
stirring up licentious storms

Preaching gospels meant for Thor
from comic books that you explore
telling tales of ancient lore
of Sheba and her men of war

When all the while we really know
your a secret agent sent by Crow
the king of the Draconians
curator of Smithsonians

Mirror was sent by the Crow?

OK then. What proof is there for goddesses and faeries and other things?

There is as much proof for them as there is for Jesus existing.

But even if you could prove Jesus's existence, that still wouldn't be proof that he was the son of God.

There is no evidence for any of it. The only thing religious people can fall back on is 'faith'.

Im no religious expert, but i have faith as strong as anyone else that it is all bollocks.

I gave it.....read it.

If one has proof with ones own life and it is through Faith well golly ding dang I don't need anything else..

Your life does not prove jesus or god. Maybe it does in your own mind to yourself, but not to another living soul. Unless they are deluded of course.