Thank you for sharing the Atlantis website. Very interesting to read. The lost continent gives so many possiblities. I have a Jacque Cousteau video where the French explorer and his son go all over the world in search of it. Very interesting documentary from the 1970s.

awh, the greatest good to come in short days, be beyond the present imagination for ALL to taste of, just as in the days when all things of the current cycle began...

so obscured be the natural sight, with so much less good presently lived out for so many, but indeed, it bring the only peace the heart have, when seeing so much personal devastation in the world for so many, that all shall see most good...

what human thing decided which nation or color or physical condition itself would be born into, which determine all that all things know and hear, so who shall or should not see most good is such a good relief.

peace to the "smile giver and wanter for all angel" called smiles.

Interesting - all quotes from the Old Testament. Perhaps you are unaware that Christainity did not exist at this time.

Aren't you the one who claims to know all about Christainity. I asked you to show me where in the New Testament (The scriptures from which Christianity gets it's name) where stoning was mandated, and you quote me the Law!

So you've fallen short of your example of my not knowing about that which I discuss by demonstrating that you do not know about that which you talk.

Once again - making my point.

It's still part of you holy book is it not? If the Old Testament had nothing to do with Christianity, it wouldn't be a part of the bible.

And you shouldn't buy that. Nor should you formulate your opinion on commentaries about it by people who you really can't access their bias - not knowing the original material yourself.

I'm not saying that you should "study" the scriptures, my caution is that if you want to determine the truth of scripture for yourself, I would think reading it for yourself will get you better results than reading someone else's interpretation - especialy if it is one based on Pretext, and not Context. Hard to tell the difference when unfamiliar with the actual document itself. I wouldn't change this caution if you had decided to read a commentary about the bible from Billy Graham, and decided that everything he said about it were the truth as well.

if one say to something, it is arrogant, prideful, spiteful, wishing good for itself alone, wishing but to prove a single reality as most good and real, and not seeking for any equal good for all else as equal to self, well, i "stone ye" with my words and all me energy???

the meaning of such things as spoken in time's past, as some tell of what is "real", to determine who and what is most "correct now", is but futile reality indeed, as real only be what anything "feel" itself as real to itself you see, and anything more real, be only seeuing and deeming what another see and feel now as real it's true good reality???

dueling definition's of words as reality's tell of greater reality, is but dueling futility indeed???

what become of futility, as what can it create but futileness as it's lone and only reality???

I think that you have touched on something quite profound here C.S., as most people have a tendency to judge Christianity by the actions of those who profess it, rather than the testamony of those who witnessed Jesus living it. It is essentially judging the bible by those who's actions contradict it - thereby attempting to claim that the life of Jesus is discredited by those who cannot live up to the standards set by him. Yet - the bible itself states that this will be the case. Jesus himself says that "man does not seek God - not one", and that even those who see themselves as the greatest of the self-rightious will fall.

So - while it is Christianity that gets attacked - and not those who abuse it, are there any who can see the forest from the tree's?

That is a shifting middle to the argument you are attempting to make. You claim that stoning is part of Christain doctrine - it's not. It might have been part of the mosaic Law - but then your problem is with Judism - not Christianity. And any attempt to equate the two would swiftly be shot down by any inquiry of a Rabbi.

So I repeat - Christianity says nothing about stoning anyone. You chose a bad example to attept to support your earlier post. I'll just assume that you spoke prematurely on your claim about my posts.
I have little need to post on topics that I have not researched or studied - and your claiming that I have without providing references is only proving my point.

Where is this non-sense coming from. I've never seen these arguments from anyone, anywhere, who knows anything about Christianity. If your going to debate - at least don't build strawmen to debate with. They don't have a brain. Or have you never seen the Wizard of Oz?

You can't sit there and make the claim that Old Testament =/= Christianity, when so many Christians out there use it to infringe upon the rights of others.
Like I said before, If the Old Testament truly and nothing to do with the Christian religion, it would not be a part of the bible.

Abra???

there is no reason for debate, as debate only come from one thinking and trying to prove one interpretation of words, as the only one in the universe possible???

this is futility in itself, as just the word "hot", can mean MANY different things to many people's???

it could mean, emotionally passionate as romance???

it could mean emotionally angered unto wrath???

hot under the collar???

hot under the sheets???

to hot to handle???

no breezes to cool of the hot sunshine???

damn Abra, i am surprised you are not more open to more things than just one definition???

this is not how any scientist see data???

did you even read the definition of "no forgiveness for blaspheme"???

it seems you are only seeking most but to prove one singular definition, YOURS, as the only possible one, which is the exact same thing you hold against the "christian's"???

why do you not respond to any other definition given as possibilities???

seems you only try to refute all possibilities???

anything except what you deem and read as "the only meaning possible"???

give any interpretation you have, from anything, and i will give you another one, which must be deemed as equally possible???

for each definition of anything written as "prophecy", there is at least three first possible's, the words relating to either the past, present, or future, then as well, the physical/literal, or metophorical/spiritual, and then as well, any combination of the total five, which make for a ten possible interpretations as POSSIBLE???

HOW IS THIS NOT TRUE???

so how and why do you think two lone eye's in the universe, called "abra eye's alone", know the ONLY POSSIBITLITY???

something is amiss, and it sure ain't no open mindedness???

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come one man, words are like sand, with as many definitions possible, as grains of sand held in the hand???

You are correct, i really should read the scriptures myself. Like i said before, i do intend to. But its not high on my priority list to do it at any point soon. The best i will allow myself right now is other peoples commentaries.

If i did read them, and especially if i 'studied' them a little, i would be in a much better position to argue what i believe.

But reading them isn't going to change my opinions of them. I would bet that the more i know, the more i will disbelieve in them. There is no chance that i will become enlightened and start believing in them. I cant ignore things that other people seem ok about ignoring.

My only point i am making here, is that even with my limited knowledge on the subject, it is still valid for me to be in this discussion. My limited knowledge should just make it easier for you to put my way of thinking down.

Im just here to take part, and to learn. I dont close myself off to anything you put before me, its just what you have put before me hasnt got enough backbone to constitute a proper argument(on the subject of proof). The only thing my ignorant and naive brain can conclude is that there is NO proof. I need SOME.

This is entirely your perception David.

Why do I not respond to other definitions given as possibilities?

Actually I do. For example, Eljay is in far more agreement with he than he realizes.

Eljay states:


Eljay simply denies that the Old Testament has anything to do with Christianity!

That’s how he solves the conflict. He simply rejects the God of Abraham before he even begins!

I too might profess to preach Christianity if I could take Jesus down from the Cross of the Old Testament. But I don’t see that as being possible. Jesus is nailed to the Old Testament more firmly than he was ever nailed to the cross.

For Eljay to dismiss the Old Testament as not being part of Christianity is ludicrous. To do such a thing would be called heresy by any mainstream orthodox Christian organization.

I recognize that Eljay is a designer Christian. But I also recognize that his definitions of “Christianity” don’t fly in the face of the actual recognized mainstream organized Christian religions. He’s just using their label and redefining it for his own purposes!

Here’s his stance:


All Eljay is doing is pretending that Jesus = Christianity.

But that’s not true!

Jesus can’t = Christianity on his own!

It’s impossible!

And this is what I’ve been trying to get Eljay to see for over a year now, but he refuses to see it and so I gave up on him.

You can’t rip Jesus out of the Bible (i.e. toss out the Old Testament as not being part of “Christianity”). Because Jesus has no feet of his own to stand on!

As soon as you toss out the OT you must also toss out the virgin birth, the idea that Jesus is the Son of the God of Abraham, and the idea that he is the Sacrificial Lamb of God sent to die to appease God for our sins!

All of that must be tossed out if you want to become a Jesus Freak and toss out the Old Testament as being irrelevant to Christianity.

Once you do that you end up with Jesus being nothing more than a mortal man teaching moral values.

But Eljay wants to keep BOTH concepts! He want to DENY the Old Testament and pee on the God of Abraham, yet KEEP Jesus as the Sacrificial lamb of salvation!

It can’t work that way!

It just makes no sense to claim that Jesus is the sacrificial lamb of the God of Abraham whist denying that the Old Testament has anything to do with Christianity!

As soon as you cast the Old Testament asunder you’ve taken Jesus off the shoulders of the God of Abraham and placed him on his own mortal feet! He’s no longer a God then. He becomes nothing more (and nothing less) than a mere mortal man with an opinion.

So Eljay doesn’t speak of “Christianity”, he simply changed the label to mean something that the orthodox established organized regions would never stand for.

Eljay wants to simultaneously dismiss that OT as having nothing to do with Christianity whilst maintaining that Jesus is the sacrificial lamb of the blood-thirsty God of Abraham.

In other words, Eljay knows that the actions and behavior of the God of Abraham is indefensible! So he wants to sweep that part of the mythology under the carpet and just worship Jesus as his “Savior”!

But without the nasty God of Abraham there is nothing to be ‘Saved’ from!

Jesus is supposedly saving us from the wrath of the God of Abraham!

Christianity cannot even work without the Old Testament!

I would love to start a church of Jesus tossing out the Old Testament as being totally irrelevant!

But keep in mind also that at this point we’d also have to toss out the writings of Paul in the New Testament since Paul only serves to dredge up all the crap from the Old Testament! That would reduce the size of the New Testament by about 75%.

You’d be left basically with the four gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. But even then you’d need to remove any references in those texts that USE the Old Testament to support the idea that Jesus was the “Christ” (or messiah) sent by the God of Abraham as a sacrificial lamb!

But the time you got done removing the Old Testament and every reference to it you’d end up with Jesus sitting all alone reciting the 12 laws of Karma from Buddhism!

Modern organized “Christianity” is not about to dismiss the Old Testament as not being foundational to their religion. In fact, it’s the Old Testament where they get all their bigotry from!

Jesus never taught bigotry!

The bottom line is that the ‘Christianity’ that Eljay has made up has nothing to do with the formally recognized religion.

However, I would like to add that there are many people in this world who are indeed Jesus Freaks and somehow feel that Jesus can stand on his own two feet without the God of Abraham from the Old Testament.

In fact, I would venture to say that the vast majority of people on this planet that check the boxed marked “Christianity” on surveys actually think this way. Most Christians are ‘Designer Christianity” that don’t truly understand the connection and dependency that Jesus has on the God of Abraham and the Old Testament.

They just accept Jesus as their Savoir. They denounced orthodox Christians like Eljay does:



My question to Eljay is this:

Why doesn’t HE and the other so-called real Christianity speak out against those who abuse Christianity as he defines it?

I’ll tell you why!

Because if he dared to speak out against them they would quickly denounce his “Christianity” and point out that he doesn’t even recognize the Old Testament as the “Word of God”!

Mainstream Christianity knows better than to try to dismiss the God of Abraham. Because as soon as they do that, this leaves Jesus standing alone on his own to feet as a mere mortal man!

You can’t dismiss the God of Abraham and simultaneously claim that Jesus is the sacrificial Son of that God!

That’s absurd!

To claim that Jesus is the SON of the God of Abraham is to also claim that the God of Abraham is indeed GOD!

They go hand-in-hand and cannot be separated.

It makes absolutely no sense for Eljay to try to claim that Christianity did not even exist in the days of the Old Testament! Christianity absolutely depends on the Old Testament being TRUE!

Christianity depends on the Old Testament being the ‘Word of God’.

Christianity can in no way dismiss the OT and continue to claim that Jesus is the Son of the God of Abraham.

Eljay just makes no sense at all based on what the biblical picture has painted.

Eljay is trying to make up his own little imagined religion and call that “Christianity”

He’s a ‘Salad Bar Christian', he just takes what he likes and ignores what he doesn’t.

But the religion can’t stand that way. The Biblical picture of God must be taken in its entirety or not at all.

Without the OT Jesus is reduced to a mortal man standing on his own peronal opinions.

In that sense Eljay is actually agreeing with me!

Jesus can not have been the Son of the God of Abraham!

This is so obviously true that even Eljay dismisses the Old Testament as not being relevant to Christianity!

if each speaker believe the hearer of itself as not hearing, faulty ears and reason it be so deeming, hearer as the one with no true understanding it seeming, the hearer as the faulty one with no good intelligence to seeing, then which speaker dig deeper in itselfing, and get better words to breach the dividing, which be but deeper and mo good than it be first seeming???

the speaker which deem all feedback as it's own total causing, words as sent directly back to create more perfect reasoning, learn more knowing with communication for revealing, the good reason for all things in the universe as being, and no defective is seen and left as the knowing, one side of the coin of only but self seeing, as two sides of a coin be the good and bad togethering, which be togathering two reasonings, wich always provide solutions versus winning???

if such be so, then the ear hear more to know, in all the words that all things sow, so then hear more in all things that grow, the good and first reason all words direct and flow, then one state the flow and sprout forth to grow, stand in the flow and stake in the sow, gather the effect and let the flow be so, and not the other way around, which be but wearing the singluar data frown of self wearing the crown???

knowledge tell what is wrong with belief, and all the bad things which made it so, but wisdom tell the rest of the story, why all that is believed is of glory, and the good reason if came to be so, the good reason be that which free anything that dislike what it sow???

if anything like what it now has, so what itself now is, so what itself now believe, then what now is there that need to be relieved, lest one is violating another human with intent to harm it bodily???

equal freedom to believe what one trust is but for all equally???

2 + 2 = 4 to one thing, what it know and trust and believe???

it be spoken, and the hearer hear it adding unto 2 + 2 = 5 ???

so now, 2 + 2 = 5 of the other to both???

the first one to figure out how and why and what and where, the 2 + 2 = 5 for the other was as perfect and good, then wisdom is added unto itself, more and greater than just knowledge, which only see how all things "different" do not fit with itself???

peace

This is a little preposterous.

Yahshua came to show the law was not burdemsome.

The Law of Yahweh was is not the problem or Yahshua lied.

Matt 5:14-18

14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
KJV

Has all been fullfilled?

No. Yahshua says we are the light of the world. Was not Yahshua also?

Here is who you follow and these words were inspired for a warning to you.

2 Thess 2:5-12

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason Yahweh will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
NKJV

The Lawless one.

Is that not oppisite of what Yahshua said on the mount?

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
KJV


He will send you strong delusion that you will believe a lie. Why?

Disobedience to the LAW OF YAHWEH is why so he just lets you go as he told the disciples to.

Matt 18:17-20
And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
KJV


What is this binding and loosing?

It is the Holy Spirit. It is bound by the layiong on of hands and loosed by agreement of the brethern that you say you do not have sin.

1 John 2:4-6

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of Yahweh perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
KJV


Again he tells us what Math 18 is saying and what wqarning thier is about the lawless one.

2 John 9-11

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Messiah, hath not Yahweh. He that abideth in the doctrine of Messiah, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Elohim speed.11 For he that biddeth him Elohim speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
KJV


What did Yahshua say in this matter?

John 7:16-19

16 Yahshua answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of Yahweh, or whether I speak of myself.

18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
KJV

Yahshua is not Yahweh.

Get that lie out of your heads.

If he is not the Father but the son and Yahweh says he CHANGES NOT.

Then Yahshua keeping the law and doing away with the law of the religious elite which is exactly what the ministers of today do. They teach commandments which are against us, contrary to us.

Yahshua being an obedient son who can do nothing without the will of the father is the LAMB OF YAHWEH.

The perfect ONE. Who kept the law perfectly who tells us to strive for the same.

Thier is no OLD TESTAMENT LAW.

That is a lie.

The scriptures are the same from the beginning to the end.

The Law is in force but you are to do your best to keep the law.

Yahshua going to the father promiced to send us a comforter.

The Holy Spirit. Not to make things easy but that you with a pure heart for Yahweh would/will overcome the deception of the world.

It is not a happy go merry faith to do what you want.

You were bought with a very High Price.

Yahshua's Death.

Yahweh was married to Israel.

What had to happen for that to be over?

The death of Yahshua brought on a new bride he could marry in which all who had a Heart for Yahweh could come to him.

A Mystery 2 becoming 1 through the Holy Spirit.

When we hurt he hurts when we laugh he laughs.Our Husband to be for those who really want it.


He is our example.. FOLLOW IT.

The law of yahweh is not gone then or when Yahshua comes back for a 1000 years.

Zech 14:16-19

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, YAHWEH of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith Yahweh will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV


The very 1st act after Yahshua sets up his throne in Jerusalem is the LAW.

To keep the feast of Tabernacles. Notice thier are people who survived who still will disobey Yahweh.

The Law of Yahweh is not the Law Yahshua and the Disciples talk about being done away.

It was the Law of men who is not fair and is respectful of stature.

Is that what your kingdom is a kingdom that is like right now.

Where the rich get by with Murder and the poor get thrown in to prison for anything?

Is that the PROOF YOU ESPOUSE?

I hope not. May Yahweh Bless Us and let some See..Shalom...MIles

Well, if what you say is true then the Old Testament should be denounced as the 'word of God' since it clearly has God giving people commandments and directives that he expects them to obey!

Not the least of which is to murder heathens that teach against those directives!

When the Jews had Jesus crucified they merely OBEYING the "word of God", the Old Testament.

You people are really weird.

On the one hand you want to claim that these texts are the 'word of God', and then on the other hand you want to claim that they aren't.

Make up your mind.

What point is there to claiming that a very confused and conflicting book is the 'word of God' and then turn around and claim that to believe that it is the word of God is a lie?

That's ridiculous.

It's either the word of God, or it's not.

I do not believe i have wavered from what i believe and read the scriptures for with help.


Tell you what I have always seen where children were to be stoned for disobeying parents.

can you show me 1 instance where this was carried out?

Ever think Abra all this from the beginning has been a learning process for us to really become the children of Yahweh?

Look at us now we can never have level ground.

Either barbarism on one side with off with your head or anything goes on the other side we make up laws as we go for the riches power grab? Shalom...Miles

Become the children of God?

Like Jeanniebean has already pointed out, if we're the children of God then so be it, that means that we are all Gods, just like Jesus was quoted as having said.

But why call God Yahweh?

That's just an egotistical name that attempts to give one culture's dogma precedence over the spiritualities of other cultures.

If humans are the children of "god" then so be it. Surely the Jews have no claim to being special.

Most pantheistic views of life do indeed see humanity as the child of "God". But we don't need a 'savior' to save us from God's wrath, and we certainly don't need a single bigoted and arrogant man-made religion to claim to speak soley for God in an attempt to convert 'beleivers' for politically motivated agendas.

I have no doubt that I am a child of God. That doesn't make me believe that the Jews spoke for God! The book they wrote contains many things that I seriously doubt God would even support much less inspire.

You suggested before that when people face hard times they turn to 'God'. Well, that may be true, but what does that have to do with the Bible? Many people simply don't see the Bible as having anything to do with our creator.

The facts should be clear.

1. Jesus did not even agree with the teachings of the God of Abraham.
2. Jesus taught the moral values that parallel what Buddha taught.
3. The vicious vengeful jealous male-chauvinist God described in the Old Testament is not a pretty picture of a God.
4. The persona of Jesus and the persona of the God of Abraham simple don't match at all.

You don't need to have a personal opinion on this, just look at the text. It's written down in words.

I don't deny spirituality. I never have. What I deny is the idea that the Jews speak for God. They do not. And neither does Christianity which is even more absurd, not to mention highly divided and confused even among themselves.

what needs to try to love, if it love???

what needs a "law" to tell itself what love is, as god was called unconditional love???

is it not also written, the laws of god are written upon the heart of man???

there is only ONE law written upon the hearts of all human things, and that is the recognizing, and seeking, and knowing love???

so is not and was not "love" as the divine law of god???

then if one see and know and love other's, what outside belief or law does it need to dictate it's own actions unto good and bad???

it would only seek or need this, if itself did not love, but only sought for love, or to be loved by someone else most, or to be loved by some god in the sky???

yes, this is indeed a law of trying to make self good, or the mark of the beast, the mark in the forehead and hands, that make all self actions only but seek to be loved by someone or something else, and not seeking at all to love without anything in return???

if one believe in love, then it but give to all other's the law of love, which be to give and be all itself is, with no pretense or fake or tryiung to be good, with nothing expected in return, as to try to do good, only make one expect good to be returned???

making and defining each thing it meet with the self expectation and in time even dictation, of all things that do not give back to self as it see fita, as evil???

such is indeed to love under the law, and indeed can make humans to come to act like wild beasts, that can kill another if it does not make self happy, the mark of the beasts of the lessor good, the one prone to doing evil, that all are naturlly born into, as it cannot be missed, such thinking and expectations of good returned to self from other's, and other's being there for soley for the satisfaction and dictation of self, is what create all evil in the world???

what can do evil, that wish nothing from anything else???

the same exact reason, it was spoken, that anything that "live by the law, die by the same law"???

even paul said with good wisdom, "when i will to do good, evil is present"???

to will oneself, to try to be good, show there is no real good intent, or there would be no need of trying???

only an intention of scoring points with some thing called god in the sky, which is for self alone, and bring but to seeing other's outside of one's belief as barely even subhuman, or not even remotely like self???

if one has to try to love, then how is there any love at all???

to keep trying then, simply carry further into using belief to convince self that itself love, when it love nothing but what it gets for itself in return from it's belief, the most from what it say it love???

such is as the gospel of religion, or to live by a law, or under the mark of the beast, of seeing and dividing all things into good or evil as peoples, which simply make one not hear other's words, and only look to see how all words that come to self are faulty words indeed, if one can find fault in the speaker that speak, so few other's words come to be actually heard or truely believed, except of course for the good words of self vanity returned to self, which are gulped like sweet honey, but turn to bitter in the tummy, lol???

The Jews mainly were the chosen people.

This being through the tribe of Judah Yahshua would come.

The scriptures are thier for our own good .Period.

The Testament shows how to treat others and the penalty thier of for breaking it.

You choose to say Yahweh is wrong in declaring his name and his sons name.

Why? Whats in a name?

To say who you are. If i see all the living Presidents and say Mr. President which one am i talking to?

Yahweh declaring his name as the only name that created the heavens and the earth. tells us who to believe. tells us who is an imposter and who isn't.

Names are very important in all realms of reality and if you don't believe this do away with your own name and see who knows you.

You like to slam what you call the OT and Yahshua you want to make him like budda.

Why?

Cause you want to?

Thats your own denial of individualism which I would think you would highly praise.

You contradict yourself.


Yahshua gave us the OT. He said he is the word.

You want to believe spritualism is not akin to the physical.

It is actually the same.

Men without rules and punishments. what kind of world would we live in?

Chaos?

Yahweh is not chaos.

What he is, is Loving that he did send a savior . Not that you personally asked for it. But because the time had come for the world to see what men in High Places place on the people.

Power is one of the strongest evil instints men have. To rule.

You would have us rule. But who the big chief?

No Abra Yahweh is concise in what he has inspired to be written down and even though men have tried through the centuries to change it and got by with it as we are learning.

The time has come in this generation that we can find the purposefull misrepretations in the scriptures to lead men astray and call the scriptures boloney as you do.


You spit off alot of how the bible contradicts itself but what makes you think you can understand it's true meaning and where we are going if you refuse to openly study it just as you have science?

You spit out jibberish that you find someone has written or made a video on the internet then 10 people start claiming this as truth.

When all it is ,is a deceptful lie.

Thier are not contradictions in the scriptures you just are not a student of the field.

If i started telling you about splitting atoms as a athority because i found it in Wikipedia does that make me right?

Makes me a fool is what it makes me.

Do your homework and stop saying the same old script i have heard forever.

The word has not stood the test of time like no other because man made it so.

You are a mathimatian do the math.

Whats the probaballity billions of people would hold on to one book as sacred and no other religion is known in the world like this one for thousands of years.

Your probability test would say it is impossible. And you know it.

Not that I am saying that the interpretation of it is in the least bit reliable but that the words are thier for our study and for our lifestyles.

Thats what it is all about our lifestyles.

Yahshua put it in just a few easy to understand words and to grow from thier those who seek wisdom.

Matt 22:37-40

37 Yahshua said to him, "'You shall love Yahweh your Elohim with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
NKJV

Thier we have it the OT done away. Right?

1st notice he does not say Love ME.. No Love Yahweh because if you love Yahweh you will love your nieghbor that is why it is like it.

He did not just say something new here. It is a quote.

Deut 6:5-9

5 And thou shalt love Yahweh thy Elohim with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
KJV


Here Yahweh is telling us how to keep the peace amoung the people and to love one another.

Deut 10:18-19

18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.

19 Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
KJV

james 1:25 -27 says the same thing. To love all people. He gives us promices

Deut 11:13-14

13 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love Yahweh your Elohim, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,

14 That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that thou mayest gather in thy corn, and thy wine, and thine oil.
KJV


He promices rain in due season. LIFE.

He never changes as i posted before what happens to those who will not love?

Zech 14:17-18

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
KJV


The same promice is taken away if you will not love and if you can not love your existance who was given you as a gift from Yahweh. Then the rain that breeds your food will be taken away.

Not a death penalty even though these people will not believe but a life lesson for rebbellious children who think they know more than the one who bore them.

Just like in our own families today.

You think these words of wisdom and what happens in families is a fairy tale some Ape made up!!

Here is Yahshua

Deut 5:10

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
KJV

Commandments, rules for children. They are harsh huh?

How this for taking on the sins of the world and loving the ones who kill you?

Luke 23:34-43

34 Then said Yahshua, Father, forgive them ; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Messiah, the chosen of Elohim.

36 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,

37 And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.

38 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Messiah, save thyself and us.

40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42 And he said unto Yahshua, Master, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 And Yahshua said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
KJV


Forgiving them as he is being murdered and then the thief promicing eternal life for just saying. I BELIEVE YOU.


No Abra. No man would or could make up the philosophy of the bible the good the bad and the ungly they can not do it now with SUPER COMPUTERS. Make a book so perfect and loving as this.

If we will only quit believing we are G-ds already and in control of our lives then we could really live.

Who amoung us could live a life devoted to your fellow man and then have him torture you and while this is being done as you are getting ready to die say.

It's ok. I forgive you. Blessings...Miles