Miles...

nothing following a book, or rules, or commandments, will ever create such as you speak, of "father forgive them", as THE BELIEF ITSELF IS WHAT CAN OR DEEM ANOTHER AS NEEDING FORGIVEN???

if one believe the jesus did such, he did not do so TRYING TO FOLLOW ANY DAMN LAW, OR TRYING TO BE GOOD!!!

if he did such, it was because he loved JUSTICE, and FOUGHT FOR EQUALITY OF ALL HUMAN THINGS AS EQUAL???

and was willing to die for THAT, AND THAT ALONE, not for GETTING SOME DAMN REWARD, LIKE LOVING OTHER'S TO GET A COOKIE IN HEAVEN!!!???

please man, if one love it's own child, it doesn't matter what that child does, IT HAS NO BEARING ON THE HOW THE PARENT VIEW THE CHILD???

THE MORE ONE VIEW A CHILD THRU SOME LAW OF GOOD AND EVIL, THE MORE THE PARENT CREATE EVIL IN THE CHILD ITSELF!!!???

if one love a women, IT MATTERS NOT WHAT THE HELL SHE DOES???

but, to one following a religion, THE RELIGION, THE BELIEF, SAY TO THE MIND WHO IT SHOULD LOVE???

if jesus was willing to die, for someone or something else, it was only signifying the greater essence of what you are saying, THAT HE LOVED OUTSIDE OF COMMANDMENT OF GOOD OR BELIEF???

SO THEN HIS OWN BELIEF, IF THIS WAS DONE, WOULD BE THEN NO BELIEF FOLLOWED AT ALL!!!???

IT IS BELIEF ITSELF THAT SEPERATE ALL THINGS FROM LOVE!!!

it is belief itself that is the MARK OF THE BEAST IN THE BRAIN, AND IT TAKE NO SINGLE BELIEF ALONE TO CREATE THIS, JUST SELF USING ANYTHING TO PROMOTE OR THINK ITSELF IS BETTER THAN SOME OTHER HUMAN BEING???

it is all that have been freed from the mark, that are indeed free from a belief as god, instead of other people as god???

the opposite of what self believed, as equal and god, is the most then anything come as being more as some greater good or just "god"!!!???

peace

The simplicity of it is the Word is Love. And a parent who will not disciple thier child the word says they hate them. I can understand it also. Shalom...Miles

And who claims this?

The Jew!

Nuff said.




I’m not saying that at all. Yahweh is simply the name the Jews gave to their mythological God.

I never claim that ‘Yahweh” is wrong about anything. I don’t even believe such an egotistical god exists in the first place. The Jews made up that God just like the Greeks made up Zeus.

All I do is point out the flaws in the mythology. Jesus can’t possibly have been the Son of Yahweh because the stories themselves are to conflicting. The authors shot themselves in the foot and exposed the story as a myth by making it totally inconsistent with itself.

I’ve often said that the Bible has nothing to do with God. But here you are trying to tell me that I choose to say that Yahweh is wrong. That would be like telling someone who has recognized ancient Greek Religions to be nothing more than mythology that they telling Zeus that he’s wrong.

The bible is a myth made up by the Jews to control the masses, and later stolen by the Christians and used to justify even greater atrocities.



Again you’re wrong. I don’t like to slam the OT. I point out it’s flaws, it’s conflicts, and it’s impossibilities. I await any decent arguments that actually hold water to support it.

I’m totally open to any decent arguments, I haven’t hear any yet.

I get tired of hearing bigotry preached in the name of Jesus using the Old Testament as a club to beat people over the head with. I get tired of seeing innocent people taught that they are sinners and that God had to have his “only begotten Son” butchered on a pole to pay for their failings.

I personally feel that the whole religion is a disgrace to humanity and any creator that humanity might have.



I have studied it and continue to do so. The more I study the more I’m convinced of the conclusions that are inevitable. Jesus could not possibly have been the Son of the God of Abraham.



This is totally untrue. All of my opinions and views of the Bible come solely from the Bible itself. Not from any other source. If other people on videos on the Internet have discovered the same things they must have discovered them on their own.

I wouldn’t be surprised by this at all. I’m actually in shock that more people haven’t recognized the impossibilities of the Bible as a whole.



Surely you jest! Do you know anything at all about mathematics and probability?

If people randomly chose Christianity over any other religion that would be a fluke mathematically.

But there’s nothing random about it!

The religion has been highly proselytized for hundreds of years, often at sword-point and threat of DEATH to anyone who refuses to embrace it!

The text itself claims that God will send anyone to hell if they dare to reject it!

It’s an extremely threatening religion. Either believe this religion or God will HATE YOU!

And if God doesn’t hate you the rest of society will!

Do you realize that even as recent as Isaac Newton’s day you could be HUNG for claiming that Jesus might not be the Son of the God of Abraham?

Applying the mathematics of probability to the popularity of Christianity is ridiculous. Considering how the religion was proselytized along with missionary work and very methodical (often under-handed means) to convert pagans into Christianity it’s now surprise at all that it’s as wide-spread as it is.

The mathematics of probability have nothing to do with. It’s wasn’t a random chance event. It was brought about by some very serious and threatening proselytizing.



All cultures have rules and punishments. What does that have to do with the Bible?

Clearly we don’t need a God to have rules and punishments.

Even in a purely atheistic world men would make laws.

Besides if you want to ask questions how about this question:

Send men to a place of eternal damnation simply because they didn’t believe in a God who hates non-believers. What kind of a GOD would that be?



Oh please! Spare me the absurdities. Buddha taught better morals long before Jesus was ever born. As did many other spiritual men and women in many other cultures around the globe. There is nothing perfect about the Bible. In fact, there are so many different denominations of Christianity because no one can even agree on what the book says!

You call that ‘perfect’? Please, gimmie a break.

"the word" IS LOVE???

LIVE BY THE WORD, AND ONE DIE BY THE WORD, AS THE WORD ITSELF PROCLAIM ALOUD AS WELL???

the "word" says they (the parent) hate them???

so, since oneself quote this, this is SOLEY ABOUT THE PARENT BEING GOOD???

ABOUT THE PARENT, NOT ABOUT THE WELFARE OF THE CHILD AT ALL, BUT ABOUT THE PARENT BEING "GOOD"???

further showing, ONE IS FOLLOWING A LAW, AND ALL THAT FOLLOW A LAW UNTO RIGHTEOUNESS WILL FALL TO HATE ITSELF???

ONE WORRIED EVEN ABOUT NOT HATING THE CHILD, is all and alone ABOUT SELF, NOT THE CHILD AT ALL???

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE WISDOM???

only the true sight of a child, AS EQUAL AND JUST LIKE SELF, IN ALL WAYS, be any love of a child???

so this in itself, show the reason such things create in the mind a pre-disposition to creating rebellion AND HATE IN CHILDREN, because self is not doing it for the LOVE OF ANOTHER, BUT FOR THE WANT OF SELF TO BE FOUND APPROVED BY SOME GOD???

HOW IS THIS LOVING OTHER'S MORE THAN SELF???

HOW IS THIS LOVING A CHILD MORE THAN SELF???

HOW CAN ONE BELIEVE IT SERVE SOME GOD, WHEN IT LOVE ITSELF AND IT'S OWN ETERNAL OUTCOME MORE THAN IT'S OWN OFFSPRING???

showing self has no insight into what all things ITSELF create, which is the only true way or path unto love???

A CHILD IS A PERFECT REFELCTION OF WHAT THE PARENT IS MAKING IT, AS NO MATTER WHO AND WHAT IS AORUND THE CHILD, IT'S PARENT IS GOD TO IT, SO IT SHAPE ITSELF AFTER THE POWER OF THOSE WORDS FROM IT'S GOD, THE PARENT, AND IF THE CHILD IS NOT ALL THE PARENT THINK IT SHOULD BE, THEN THE PARENT IS THE CAUSE AND ONLY CULPRIT, NOT THE CHILD!!!???

you can keep such diatribe of feigned good, as it will never create anything but what the WORD ITSELF SAY IT WILL, EMOTIONAL DEATH FOR ALL THAT TOUCH IT, AND EVEN UNTO PHYSICAL DEATH FOR THOSE THAT DEEM OTHER'S MORE EVIL, WILL EACH DAY DO MORE EVIL UNTO THEM EACH DAY THE MORE!!!???

NO PEACE WILL COME FROM THIS BELIEF AT ALL, FOREVER, IN THIS REALM OR IN ANY REALM.

Evil men in high places is what you are speaking of the prostalizing.

It was prophicied this would be and still is.

You must have a short memory as i have consistantly showed and can prove the Eternal soul is a gift not a right.

Eternal damnation except I believe in Egyptian culture was not a Bible belief untill Dante's play.

Yahweh will do away with people at the final judgement who are murders and such who never cared and still don't. But it is quick and swift. More human than our death penalty.

Hell is nothing but a scare tactic devised by satan himself.

The ministers of his proclaim it. they are the angels of light he has.

So just because you do not understand the scriptures does not make them untrue.

Science is so wishy washy and the AMA they change constantly what they believe.

The bible does not. Before you have told me the health laws they just got lucky on yet the AMA has to tests rats for years and still can not get it right and when they do it aligns with the scriptures. Funny huh how that happens.

like blood.

That has been a warning from Yahweh about blood and the life/disease that can be in it for thousands of years. Yet we say well after so many people died they finally figured it out.

But our culture in the modern age is just now getting a hint about blood and it's effects on us.


The bible is true and can be shown to be . Your efforts just amaze me how important it is to you to try and make it wrong.


I have found when something does not make any sence it is usually me not the scriptures that has the problems. I will admitt they have been tampered with just like i have seen easter explained.

Those are deliberate by once again men in control who want to be the authority. power hungry.

It will not end for some time. Blessings..Miles

A teacher appears when the student is ready...

During biblical times, cruelty such as stoning was accepted - who knows why? What difference does it make...why? It is not widely accepted now, we have grown beyond it. Religion gave rise to philosophy and science. Both of which have come to discredit that which needed to be, because it was time to.

If we allow those two disciplines to replace the authoritarian positions held by the popular religions, we will have effectively removed the king, while replacing him with one from another language.

All in due time, there will be no king.

the language of love, that simply define what things create, not what is good or bad, or evil or good???

by the 13 year, no king indeed, the universe itself great peace to entreat, all good equality and peace to be, nine oh nine the divine no more sublime.

great wisdom and insight CR...

peace man

You're as bad as Eljay, just making up your own religion and claiming that you got it from the Bible.



Just because you make-up stuff doesn't make it true.

Besides, this argument that certain humans don't understand the word of God is extremely lame.

Do you realize that all you are doing is claiming that for some reason I should be unable to understand my creator, whilst you are privileged to have a perfect understanding.

That very argument holds no water. If a supereme creator had intended a text to be for all his creation, then anyone should be able to understand if they truly want to.

To suggest that I don't want to understand would be a huge personal insult against me that would be totally uncalled for.

I want nothing more than to understand the truth of my existence. I don't see where the Bible even addresses these questions much less does it with any clarity or even in a postive way. The book is FOCUSED ON SIN and REPENTANCE! It's more concerned with condemning heathens than addressing good people!

It clearly wasn't written for people like me.

Moreover, it's obvious that nobody can make sense of the book!

The Jews denied that Jesus was "the Christ". Why would they have done that if they understood that he was?

Clearly the book is unclear.

The Christians even disagree with each other. The Catholics have their thing going, the Protestants protested against the Catholics interpretations. Then they continued to protest against each other's interpretation until they ended up with more denominations than there are hairs on the head of a monkey.

Islam took basically the same mythology and went off on a completely different tangent altogether. ALl of these religions are not at each other's throats in the name of the SAME GOD even though they have given him different NAMES!

So your accusation that I don't understand scriptures is silly!

Just look around! NOBODY understands the stupid book!

It a nonsensicial book!

And that's all I'm pointing out. The TRUTH.

It's a nonsensical book! Just look around and you can see this FACT as clear as day!

miles...

no divintiy shall return to "erase the murder's who do not truely care", with swift and complete humane justice, AS TRUE JUSTICE A MURDURER WILL RECOGNIZE, AND FALL TO HIS KNEE'S, AND MERCY IF INFINTIE FOR ALL THAT SEE HOW IT HARMED OTHER'S, LONG BEFORE A SELF SEEKER OF BELIEF FOR SELF GOOD ALONE, WILL RECOGNIZE ANYTHING OF WHAT IS MOST GOOD???

it is but the MOTIVE OF THE HEART, that decide the fate, that abate hate or create love's gate???

anything that follow religion or belief, SHALL BE LAST INDEED, AS IT FOLLOWED TO BE FIRST, AND SO LAST IT BE IS THE DECREE, AND EACH LASH IT DELIVER UPON THE INNOCENT AND YOUNG, IT SHALL SUFFER INDEED, BUT NOT FROM THE HANDS OF ANY DIVINTIY, BUT FROM IT'S OWN RELIGIOUS LEADERS, WHOM IT FOLLOWED FOR GOOD TO BE ENTREATED UNTO ITSELF ALONE YOU SEE???

unpeace

I gotta go but.

U have a short memory of the scriptures. They say continually that when we die we sleep. we know nothing. It is not untill the Judgement in Rev 19 that the wicked are simply done away with.

The bible does not hold true to eternal fiery hell.

Ask a jew they will tell you. But the saddusee's did not believe in a ressurrection of the dead but the pharasees do.

And not understanding. tell me did you learn more through books or doing the job after you read the book?

Experience is everything and that includes the life you follow. Blessings..Miles


P.S see to know who does not believe in a ressurrection is easy.. they are (sad u see)

if one need a book for the knowing of life, than it know not life itself, because it see not life around itself as wiser, which come from a seeing all as more valuable than self, this in all essence teaching the total sum of all wisdom of the very first and only "book of life", called self???

no amount of study of any book, can teach to value other's as equal to one's own self, and only take further from any such understanding or knowing???

to deem other's words as anything less than more valid than one's own, proclude from the seeing and understanding of the very validity and value and beauty of all life???

to follow a belief and instruction from the outside, to ensure self is deemed as good before divintiy, is to neither hear nor value the meaning of all divinity, which always hear the pleas and words that come from the one's self harm and violate and offend as real and as perfect and as what self created in all ways???

to need a book to tell of the way to love other's, and what is good, as some proof of anything, prevent any learning yet of life itself, which only come from deeming each reaction of another as perfect and created by self alone, which a belief proclude from all possibitlity of forever???

any belief, or believing in self most, will always make another as always the one most wrong, and create the killing judge of the mind called belief???

a belief will always make for another deemed as faulty and no true sight of self, eliminating the sight of how self is effecting and thus creating all that exist, and if god was called anything, it was called nothing greater than a creator of good, so whomsoever recognize itself as the sole creator of all around itself, become a true creator of all and maximum good???

what man that deem a child as the defective or faulty thing, will not see or know it's own power, and abuse many things, deeming even helpess and less knowing things as evil in the mind???

wisdom unto precision, is gleaned from all things in the universe, to the one that forsake and follow not a belief, as to follow a belief one cannot do unless it seek good but for it's own self preservation as king of itself, itself alone as greatest and most valuable in all essence, and such only create a constant mindful definition of all other's as either good or evil, as valuable and not valuable, of good meaningful words or of no good words at all???

equality of all just as self is the only thing without bias, that is free to love all, so free to be as god which is love???

Exactly. And if you need a book to tell you how to live a good life then you'd be in pretty bad shape.

Einstein said it well,...

"Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein.

I've heard many religious people claim that if it wasn't for their belief in God they'd see no reason to be moral.

If the only reason they are being moral is because they think some God is going to either punish or reward them then they are truly sad people to begin with.

How do these people explain the existence of highly moral atheists?

Also, if these religious people who are only moral because they believe there is a God they will need to answer to, and suggest that they would not be moral if no such God exists, then how much LESS MORAL are they than the moral atheists????

This simply suggests that God's Heavenly Kingdom will be chuck full of highly immoral people who are merely trying to please a God because of what's in it for THEM!


They would either be attempting to avoid God's wrath, or trying out for free tickets to an eternal Disneyland.

Where's the morality in that?

I don't believe that God needs to threaten anyone. On the contrary, a wise God would make no threats at all and just be tickled pink with the PERFECTLY NATURALLY MORAL ATHEISTS!

Why even bother with the scum bags that need to be threatened or promised a reward before they will behave?

If God is interested in highly moral people he'd do well to just harvest the moral atheists who never believed that there would be anything in it for them in the first place.

Then he'd KNOW that their motivation was PURE!

Truth is a property of a claim. A claim is completely dependant upon a language. Language is created by man; Therefore, truth is also created by man.

Well, that's obviously true of logical truth.

But is it true of spiritual truth?

Spiritual truth is not something that can be argued.

Spiritual truth can only be experienced.

There's no need for premises, propositions, symbols, or conclusions in spiritual truth. Spiritual truth just is.

You cannot give me spiritual truth, neither can I give it to you.

Spiritual truth can only be experienced.

Much like the scent of a flower can only be experienced.

We can point the way to the flower, but the only way to experience the scent is to go and smell the flower.

In spirituality experience is the only truth.

All else is just meaningless hearsay.

That includes all language claims...



Language is but a tool which is intended to convey thought or meaning.

Divinity, spirituality, and truth(as Truth), are but remnants from the type of thinking which claims a creator with reason, intention, and purpose.

The 'proof' is contained(or not) within the meaning of the terms being used.

I totally agree.

This is why it's impossible to prove or disprove the existence of "god" or "spirit" abstractly.

But it is easy to show why a book of words logically contradicts itself.

contradiction can only exist in the eye of the beholder???

to believe in con tradict i on, is but only to believe in one thing as on, i as the self, which be the greatest self con in the universe, and if it were not so, peace amoung all mankind would have been already flowing like rivers???

nothing knows greater truth until it can prove how all words are first true, then what made many things only appear as wrong to self, can clearly be seen???

to prove all things outside of self belief as untrue, can easily be done by all things that exist, and is the natural first inclination, and the root of all knowledge, which only put self knowing on a ledge and cliff, as two lone eyes of self as the basis for all reality in the cosmos, which is the smallest one eye that exist???

I am one of those moral aetheists abra talks about lol

I do not need religion to tell me how to live a good life. I know the difference between right & wrong without fearing the repercussions of god (or santa) finding out.

I don't do anything really bad, i've made mistakes and dealt with it, but I've never done anything that I would deem immoral. Yet i still have religious people telling me all the time that because i don't believe in God I'm immoral. To which I normally reply "show me where i have been immoral in my life". the only answer they have is that i'm immoral because i do not believe in god and that in order to bemoral i have to find jesus.

I am going on 33 and have never needed religion to lead a moral life and i don't intend to start now. All I need is the knowledge that I live a moral and decent life.

We as adults can say we know right from wrong. Where did that come from?

Are you saying your parents and society did not show you what was right from wrong?

Your child learning years came from yourself?

You need nobody but yourself?

How crazy can we be. We are influenced in our morality by society. It changes we change.

The scriptures you want to call as a set of laws/rules that are not good.

Have they changed?

No ..we have changed them. does that make it right.

Do we not hold sacred certain family traditions that are within our families which are very important to us they are passed on throughout generations of our own to adheed to?

Of cource we do.

The scriptures are an example for us to teach us. Yahweh tells us as i have posted to teach these for a long and happy life.

is this not true?

Eph 6:1-4
6:1 Children, obey your parents in Yahweh: for this is right.

2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise ;)

3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of Yahweh.
KJV

is this not true?

Yet our society says spoil the child that the state take control of your child to learn who really is the authority.

Men in high places.Is who.

So if you may as an adult growing up in a time where children ran the streets without fear. At least I did.

What has happened since then? parents have become the villian who should be watched by our govt.

Is this not true.

You kid yourself you are being decieved and controled as i post this.

Your rights have been taken away.

What has happened in direct correllation with this?

the scriptures are fairy tales.

Hitler said give me the children and in a generation i will have a nation.


Oh how true. Change is good but not principles.

We quarrenteen the Amish when they get measles and protect deadly diseases people have where others have no idea a person may be sick.

Upside down politics.


A purpose to control us and they have done a darn good job of it by making us think we have choice when we have none anytime they decide.

And you love it.

Ps 19:7-9

7 The law of Yahweh is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of Yahweh is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of Yahweh are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of Yahweh is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of Yahweh is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of Yahweh are true and righteous altogether.
KJV

Can we say that of our society that claims a fairy tale is Yahweh?

We have laws we have fears. But only to the law breaker. If no, what are societies laws you obey for? Blessings..Miles