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Topic: End Job Discrimination! Nullify the Minimum Wage Scale.
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Sat 04/11/09 07:31 AM
An idea to help stimulate the economy and get those people back to work, who want to work.

By doing away with the Min. Wage Scale, it will not only be beneficial to Business owners, it would end job discrimination.

As it is, the Employer states just the job offered,qualifications, rate of pay and Benis

Now, if he were allowed to post just the job offered and qualifications, job applicants could bid on the job.

They could submit their applications and state how much they would do the job for and if they required benefits.

That would level the playing ground for everyone. The employer wouldn't have to accept the applicant just because they were classified a minority. They would get the most qualified at the best price and everyone would have the opportunity to have a chance at a job.

If a job applicant were to be willing to take a job below Min. Wage, I would suggest they could be supplemented through DSHS with Food Stamps and Medical. They would deserve it because they show the initiative to be of the working class. I would also recommend their rent or house payment be subsidized by HUD for the same reason.

Here is an example.
Plumbers, when you can find one. They charge no less than $45.00 an hour, depending where you are, could be higher. Let's say, if he were able to hire help and they were willing 2, play on words, work as a plumbers assistant for way below the plumbers helpers pay scale, the Plumber could not only afford to put on more help, you could find an available one and they could lower their fee. To help the economy, that's what a good American would do. If they were saving money, they could save the consumer money.

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Sat 04/11/09 07:45 AM
If people had to bid on jobs and state whether or not they needed benefits, wouldn't that allow the employer to always choose the person who requests the lowest pay or doesn't request benefits?

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Sat 04/11/09 07:59 AM
Edited by willing2 on Sat 04/11/09 08:05 AM

If people had to bid on jobs and state whether or not they needed benefits, wouldn't that allow the employer to always choose the person who requests the lowest pay or doesn't request benefits?

I would imagine the employer would seek the most qualified. I wouldn't necessarily hire just for being able to pay a lower wage.
A good resume and presentation says a lot also.
If they chose to forgo benis and fell below a certain per year income, I would recommend DSHS supplement with a sliding scale assistance with Medical and Food Stamps. Same with HUD, sliding scale.

Example;
Certain parts for my truck I buy for the least possible.
Other parts, I pay premium because they are better quality.

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Sat 04/11/09 08:13 AM
I guess the way I see it is if I apply for a job that has the salary range and benefits posted, the employer is choosing between candidates based on their resume and qualifications, rather than who would accept lower pay.

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Sat 04/11/09 08:22 AM

I guess the way I see it is if I apply for a job that has the salary range and benefits posted, the employer is choosing between candidates based on their resume and qualifications, rather than who would accept lower pay.

That's the way it is now and you could be discriminated against.
I don't know how they decide who is minority or no.
Let's use an Eastern Indian woman as an example. I would chance to guess she is more of a minority than you.
Both you and her apply. Same qualifications, both fit for the job. Let's say the employer likes that you live a little closer and if anything happened, car trouble, etc., you'd still be able to make it in on time.
He still wouldn't be able to hire you, he would have to meet his Minority quota first.
Bidding on the job gives you both fair chance to win the job and he wouldn't be forced to hire because of minority status.

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Sat 04/11/09 08:31 AM
I guess I wasn't really talking about minimum wage jobs anyway. A lot of them don't have benefits to begin with, so that's probably not even an issue.

Though, with your way, the employer would be able to pay people different for the same job. Two people sitting next to each other could be getting different pay and benefits for doing the exact same job.

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Sat 04/11/09 09:00 AM
So do you currently make the same amout as the person next to you working the same job?? Unless you are at the same level in a union, most jobs don't pay the same amout.

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Sat 04/11/09 09:03 AM

I guess I wasn't really talking about minimum wage jobs anyway. A lot of them don't have benefits to begin with, so that's probably not even an issue.

Though, with your way, the employer would be able to pay people different for the same job. Two people sitting next to each other could be getting different pay and benefits for doing the exact same job.

That is the universal case in all fields already.
A friend of mine is a housekeeper in a hospital. She makes less than a co-worker because the co-worker has seniority. She makes more than her supervisor because of his evaluations.

The cost of automobiles could actually decrease.
Let's say, right now, the auto worker makes $40.00 an hour. If a person sent a resume, having all the right qualifications and said he'd do the job for $20.00 an hour with the same benis as the $40.00 an hour worker, the Employer should have the right to hire that worker.

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Sat 04/11/09 09:03 AM

So do you currently make the same amout as the person next to you working the same job?? Unless you are at the same level in a union, most jobs don't pay the same amout.


The people in my department doing the same job as me all start at the same salary. After that, depending on how well you're doing, raises are given out. Except for this year of course. No raises for anyone.

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Sat 04/11/09 09:06 AM


That is the universal case in all fields already.
A friend of mine is a housekeeper in a hospital. She makes less than a co-worker because the co-worker has seniority. She makes more than her supervisor because of his evaluations.



Well if they have seniority, they probably will be making more. That makes sense. I was talking about two people being hired for the same job under your way.

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Sat 04/11/09 09:08 AM
I don't know about the car business Willing, but in the Airplane manufacturing arena, labor only accounts for 4% of the total costs..there have been business that have converted over to union jobs and it has not had any serious impact on the price of the product.. What kills businesses like the auto industry is the same thing that is causing our taxes to be raised all the time, people not having to balance their budgets..and lavishing themselves with benifits that the common person doesnt get.

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Sat 04/11/09 09:14 AM



That is the universal case in all fields already.
A friend of mine is a housekeeper in a hospital. She makes less than a co-worker because the co-worker has seniority. She makes more than her supervisor because of his evaluations.



Well if they have seniority, they probably will be making more. That makes sense. I was talking about two people being hired for the same job under your way.

In a way, they would be making the same. Not in money. By having the income subsidized, by sliding scale, with DSHS and HUD. Possibly energy subsistence also. All based on what their monetary income is.

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Sat 04/11/09 09:18 AM
People are not entitled to making the same amout of money, and it pisses me off when government wants to take money out of my pocket to pay for others that don't...you might not be affected by these money hungry politicians, but I am and they will continue to take and take till there is no more..

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Sat 04/11/09 09:20 AM

I don't know about the car business Willing, but in the Airplane manufacturing arena, labor only accounts for 4% of the total costs..there have been business that have converted over to union jobs and it has not had any serious impact on the price of the product.. What kills businesses like the auto industry is the same thing that is causing our taxes to be raised all the time, people not having to balance their budgets..and lavishing themselves with benifits that the common person doesnt get.

True enough. In Renton,15 years ago, I bought some surplus aluminum sheeting from Boeing. That stuff wasn't cheap then. I can't imagine what it runs today.
I don't have any idea how the CEO's could be reigned in.
I'm making suggestions for the middle class to below poverty level folks and how racial discrimination could be taken out of the picture.

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Sat 04/11/09 09:25 AM
As long as you have that check mark on your application indicating your race, and personal interviews are given, you will never completly eliminate discrimmination..the AL Sharpltons of this world will always have enough food to feed on...

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 04/11/09 09:40 AM


i still can't wrap my head around that

Delsoldamien's photo
Sat 04/11/09 09:44 AM
It will take generations to eliminate discrimmination, unfortunately..

willing2's photo
Sat 04/11/09 09:46 AM



i still can't wrap my head around that

What? First cup-o-joe and already flirtin' with Delsoldamien!:wink: laugh

Delsoldamien's photo
Sat 04/11/09 09:47 AM
hahaha yeah right...nobody flirts with delsol!! hahahahaha

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 04/11/09 09:54 AM
what??? lol...ok i CAN talk politics ya know lol

i just don't get ending minimum wage and bidding on jobs type of thing. wouldn't employers go for the lowest bid and could possibly make it worse because the employee doesn't get paid what he/she should?

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