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| Topic: End Job Discrimination! Nullify the Minimum Wage Scale. | |
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I guess I wasn't really talking about minimum wage jobs anyway. A lot of them don't have benefits to begin with, so that's probably not even an issue. Though, with your way, the employer would be able to pay people different for the same job. Two people sitting next to each other could be getting different pay and benefits for doing the exact same job. Good point. Buenos, tardes, Chica. That already happens. Seniority and evaluations. I'm not saying, lock them into a wage. Bid on a starting wage and benis. A friend of mine is a housekeeper in a hospital. She makes less than a co-worker because the co-worker has seniority. She makes more than her supervisor because of his evaluations. I have no problems with the seniority issue. The person that has worked in that position longer has more experience in that job now. |
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Edited by
Drivinmenutz
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Sat 04/11/09 11:01 AM
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An idea to help stimulate the economy and get those people back to work, who want to work. By doing away with the Min. Wage Scale, it will not only be beneficial to Business owners, it would end job discrimination. As it is, the Employer states just the job offered,qualifications, rate of pay and Benis Now, if he were allowed to post just the job offered and qualifications, job applicants could bid on the job. They could submit their applications and state how much they would do the job for and if they required benefits. That would level the playing ground for everyone. The employer wouldn't have to accept the applicant just because they were classified a minority. They would get the most qualified at the best price and everyone would have the opportunity to have a chance at a job. If a job applicant were to be willing to take a job below Min. Wage, I would suggest they could be supplemented through DSHS with Food Stamps and Medical. They would deserve it because they show the initiative to be of the working class. I would also recommend their rent or house payment be subsidized by HUD for the same reason. Here is an example. Plumbers, when you can find one. They charge no less than $45.00 an hour, depending where you are, could be higher. Let's say, if he were able to hire help and they were willing 2, play on words, work as a plumbers assistant for way below the plumbers helpers pay scale, the Plumber could not only afford to put on more help, you could find an available one and they could lower their fee. To help the economy, that's what a good American would do. If they were saving money, they could save the consumer money. In a free market the job is a marketable item as well. The merket sets it's own price. If there are more lawyers than jobs for lawyers, you would find their salaries drop. But it works the other way around as well. If a job is in high demand, and there aren't many qualified for it, the price goes up. Even if you are flipping burgers. Artificailly raising minimun wage, you are trying to control the market. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Unfortunately you articficially raise the minimum wage, you hurt the middle class people that are already established in his or her career. Middle class citizens don't make minimum wage. But if you raise the minimum wage to equal a middle class citizen, the middle class just effectively became the lower class, sicne the price of everything would increase to cover the increased costs of production. Ultimately there is more to it than that. But i stand behind the fact that it is impossible to control the market and be affective at it unless you can very accurately predict the future. SO i am for it bro. 
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Does more time on the job mean the employee does a better job, is more productive?? What about incentives to do better and be more productive instead of general wage increases based on time in the job?
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i think willing is on the right track though....needs some things ironed out. i applaud him for trying
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Does more time on the job mean the employee does a better job, is more productive?? What about incentives to do better and be more productive instead of general wage increases based on time in the job? That's why there are yearly evaluations and raises. |
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Edited by
willing2
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Sat 04/11/09 11:13 AM
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Does more time on the job mean the employee does a better job, is more productive?? What about incentives to do better and be more productive instead of general wage increases based on time in the job? The incentive could be the guy with seniority might be inclined to maintain a constant level of productivity or the person just behind could wind replacing them. Look at the market right now. It actually is in favor of the employer. Every day, national unemployment is rising. Amnesty will add another 12 to 20 million new competitors for the few available jobs. |
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I agree yellowrose, I applaud anyone trying to really do something about it or offer ideas..
I know that evaluations are part of it, but most jobs other then management or above don't provide for yearly increases that are more then a small increase..and in union jobs it goes by scale |
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..so you lock in these people to basically work for food stamps and hud housing....who is going to pay for it all..where is the money going to come from..thin air..or RAISING TAXES ..so in essence rather than increase wages you just burden the middle class with taxes and NOW they bring home less money ...and because the lower class isnt paying any taxes i guess that will just mean higher taxes for the rest of us... ..as far as the 12 to 18 million i would guess most of these are illegal aliens...send them home until they go through the proper channels like my ancestors had to....i wonder if this supposed amnesty for illegals has anything to do with the fact that Obama's aunt is one ... |
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Remember that the top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of the taxes, with the rest spread out amoung the upper middle class and maybe the mid point...the bottom 50% of wage earners don't pay taxes..
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I agree yellowrose, I applaud anyone trying to really do something about it or offer ideas.. I know that evaluations are part of it, but most jobs other then management or above don't provide for yearly increases that are more then a small increase..and in union jobs it goes by scale Delsoldamien, I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Every job that I've ever had gave the yearly evaluations and raises. If you don't do well, you don't get a significant raise. If you do well, you do get a nice raise. My friends and family have said the same thing. Sometimes there's a Christmas bonus too. Those can be large. Delsoldamien, even when I was in high school and worked at a fast food restaurant, I received a yearly raise. |
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..so you lock in these people to basically work for food stamps and hud housing....who is going to pay for it all..where is the money going to come from..thin air..or RAISING TAXES ..so in essence rather than increase wages you just burden the middle class with taxes and NOW they bring home less money ...and because the lower class isnt paying any taxes i guess that will just mean higher taxes for the rest of us... ..as far as the 12 to 18 million i would guess most of these are illegal aliens...send them home until they go through the proper channels like my ancestors had to....i wonder if this supposed amnesty for illegals has anything to do with the fact that Obama's aunt is one ... Part 1. Who has the burden now for all the people currently out of work and homeless? The numbers are growing daily.You reckon, they will be left to litter the streets with their starved bodies? Part 2, Amnesty has only been disallowed because a president wasn't actively promoting it. Obama is very active. The Dems will give it to him and with pork attached, so will the Repubs. So, the talk of sending back anyone is moot now. |
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Edited by
Winx
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Sat 04/11/09 11:36 AM
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Remember that the top 10% of wage earners pay 70% of the taxes, with the rest spread out amoung the upper middle class and maybe the mid point...the bottom 50% of wage earners don't pay taxes.. The middle class miss it more. For example: You make more money then me. You buy me a stereo for Christmas and I buy you a CD. That CD might affect my income more then that stereo affected your income. Also, the bottom 50% pay taxes. They pay personal property tax and sales tax. If they rent, the real estate tax is included in their rent. |
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Edited by
willing2
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Sat 04/11/09 11:44 AM
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I agree yellowrose, I applaud anyone trying to really do something about it or offer ideas.. I know that evaluations are part of it, but most jobs other then management or above don't provide for yearly increases that are more then a small increase..and in union jobs it goes by scale Delsoldamien, I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Every job that I've ever had gave the yearly evaluations and raises. If you don't do well, you don't get a significant raise. If you do well, you do get a nice raise. My friends and family have said the same thing. Sometimes there's a Christmas bonus too. Those can be large. Delsoldamien, even when I was in high school and worked at a fast food restaurant, I received a yearly raise. Winx, times are a changin'. Growing unemployment makes it an Employers market now. While the current worker has his job, there are a thousand outside waiting for him to screw up somehow or not meet productivity levels demanded so, they can be considered to take his place. I pity da' middle to lower class fool who goes into his bosses office now and asks for a raise. Boom, another one bites th' dust. |
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You are right winx, about the minimum wage jobs, but most to my knowledge get 15, 20 or 25cents an hour raise, which I don't think is very much..
Most of our engineers, planners, IE, support people get evaluations and raises true, but I am talking about the other people.. |
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the economy can sustain new people coming over in dribs and drabs but when you add millions,why doesnt anyone see that the government/big corporations want these illegals over here so that they can hire cheaper labor and do away with your jobs,why isnt the government doing anything to rid us of them,big corporations see them as a way of lining their pockets with more profit,while expecting us to live on less.. ..why dont we put up the offices of the government to the lowest bidder give them a taste of the shyt theyre feeding us..i guess its easy to make laws when it doesnt affect their lively hood..,oh but then alot of them dont pay taxes until they get nominated for a position .,... |
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 Its a horrible idea. Its been done before and it led to poverty,starvation, and death on a large scale. People were starving as they worked, and children were being chained to machines in factories. Read your history people. Its a recipe for hell on Earth
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Edited by
creativesoul
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Sat 04/11/09 12:00 PM
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The only people willing to work for less than minumum wage are those who will not have a resume to begin with...
Could you subsist on minimum wage?  Let us drive an axe between the upper and lower classes, shall we? The extermination of the middle class. You first, ok? You attempt to do that which you suggest, from the worker's vantage point. You live on wages less than minumum wage. |
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The top 10 % also pay property taxes, sales taxes and real estate taxes, and because we make more, in some states we pay income taxes..luxury taxes..I pay taxes on my irrigation system to water my lawn, taxes to have a home burgler alarm, taxes for local levies..
10% is not the equal amount as the CD player as to the CD.. A person that makes 20,000 a year if they paid taxes for federal taxes..would pay what, 2,ooo dollars a year is 198.00 dollars a month, a person who makes 200,000 dollars a year pays 1999.98 dollars a month, and that is just federal income taxes... Right now including state taxes, consumer taxes, federal income taxes...they take away about 55 to 65% of their wages...low income people don't pay near that percentage of their income. |
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..and dont forget you can only buy certain items with food stamps and when you raise your kids in crime infested hud house neighborhoods remember ..you thought it was a good idea..and when you see your job gone to some illegal alien ..remember you voted for it ..if they start having bids on lower class working jobs how long before they have people bid on all jobs including the ones that require a college education ..feeling like youre impervious to this...just give them an inch..and watch..wake up america! |
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Its a horrible idea. Its been done before and it led to poverty,starvation, and death on a large scale. People were starving as they worked, and children were being chained to machines in factories. Read your history people. Its a recipe for hell on Earth when was it exercised? |
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