Believe what?

There are very good reasons that we, as a nation, have a due process which requires substantial proof.

I really would like to commend your points on the "free speech zones". That truly did surprise me a little, although based upon the availability of the information, it seems that the media has taken hold of the issue. Hopefully, there will be an outcome which supports the rights of the people involved, for if not, the precedent would not be a good one, in my opinion. For whatever it is worth, even though I do not buy into all of the conspiracy theories surrounding W, I have never really liked his actions in the White House aside from his immediate response to 9-11.

Should the "free speech zones" in question continue and grow into broader based problems, then they will have been the tip of the iceberg, however, I do not suspect that pattern to continue after the court cases are heard. I expect the ACLU to be all over it, as they should.

Preserve the freedoms...

....That the system is just and fair and not corrupt.
....That our freedom is secure.
....That we are protected by the constitution.
....That we have any rights.
....That the bankers and elite are not working on a One world government.
....That what you see and hear on major network television is true.
....That conspiracy theorists are lunatics or nuts.
....That Osama ben Laden was behind the world trade center attack.
....That Bush won the election fair and square.

....and other lies.


....and anything else you chose to believe.

philosophically speaking this philosophically is very philosophical indeed that has many philosophical subjects to cover its philosophical idealogies of each individuals philosophical minds that deem to know what is true for themselves

I find it interesting how one claims that another has so many different beliefs regarding so many things without ever asking the other person.

CR......

are you still over here spewing your self pious self professed wise words???

your whole essence of your soul subvert the very premise of free speech, and stomp on the honesty and courage of one's with heart to speak out, for the atroctities perpetrated on innocents.

your words bounce around in your own head, and taint your own brain, unto delusions of self professed grandeaur.

and you step on those that are not bought and paid for as you are???

i think i am tired of it???

yes, indeed i am, and as the words come forth, the eye's that think itself as wise, shall be crushed.

so in thrice days from now, count them, 1 2 3, the threshhold of the doors that hold up your mind shall collapse, and you will be tested and tried, and if you see more, and find it within to take courage and find your heart again, your heart will take flight then, and if not, your own logic as king, shall wear out your weary tired self, crushing the self satisfying and self seeking distain that spew forth out of your mouth, the same and more.

for the pain of the one's you have sperned cry out from the place of despair, those you have destroyed to lack of confidence in days past, and the wieght of it shall shut up your mouth, like a faucet with a muzzle!!!

look into the mirror of that foul black heart my friend, as you once spoke to me, as the compassion of my heart that withheld casting all back upon you is now no longer, since you crush my sister's wise words to dust, so now i send the mirror to you, that shall haunt you even in your sleep.

awaken dear one, and see that scrutiny and criticism is welcomed by any true honesty and valor!!!

unpeace to peace shall vex your soul.

Okay let me put it this way, what part of the above beliefs do not apply to you?

Do you believe that the system is just and fair and not corrupt?
(I predict your answer would be that there is naturally 'some' corruption, but there are enough 'checks and balances' to stay intact. (But since I predicted it, you will not say it.)

Do you believe that our freedom is secure?

Do you believe that we are protected by the constitution? Does the constitution apply to citizens of the United States of America corporation?

Do you believe that we have rights rather than just privileges?

Do you believe that the bankers and elite are not working on a One world government?

Do you believe that what you see and hear on major network television is true?

Do you believe that conspiracy theorists are lunatics or nuts?

Do you believe that Osama ben Laden was behind the world trade center attack.

And lastly, do you believe that Bush won the election fair and square?

Your energy and beliefs are extremely apparent to me creative. Your guarded speech does not conceal them. You read like a book with large type, created for the seeing impaired.

Ok then...



Excuse me while I go find myself, I must be lost...

JB wrote...



I looked and looked and looked, yet I am no where to be found.

JB, since everything is so apparent to you, and you can read me so so well, could you... would you... read me like a book?

Show off your judgmental prowess so that I, can come to terms with myself.

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for
people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
-- Noam Chomsky

Perfect.

for the enemy of each individual human thing hold it's freedom in it's devilish outstretched hand, and the hand that bit turns to embrace, when the crazy infinite business of freedom is done.

One of the most respected of people in my book.

This says is all . . . I cant see an argument with that.

I already have read you like a book.
(I am not "judging" you.)


If you want to "come to terms with yourself" just be honest with yourself.

(Of course you probably meant that as sarcasm, because you think you are already at terms with yourself.)

You still have not answered my questions above. On which points did I go wrong?

Please surprise me.



If you find one that I was totally off base on, I would like to discuss it at length with you.

Do you believe that our freedom is secure?

Nothing is completely secure. All we can do is try our best as a people to have our freedoms. I know many sacrificed much to allow us to have certain freedoms and I am greatful that they existed.

Do you believe that we are protected by the constitution? Does the constitution apply to citizens of the United States of America corporation?

Not sure? I am a foreigner I would like to think so, but somehow many don't know what the constitution actually contains.

I read somewhere that the Declaration of Independence mentions that if the government doesn't do its job right, we the people have the power to kick them out physically even! If it is true, not sure. If it is, I surely don't see people doing it when things go wrong.

Concerning Corporations - Well all I can say is "money" talks and those who talk without money will have to walk If that is good in my opinion, of course not!

Do you believe that we have rights rather than just privileges?

The Bill of Rights give us some rights.

Do you believe that the bankers and elite are not working on a One world government?

Zeitgeist tells us that the richest Bankers are working on a world government. I figure the governments work closely together anyhow. I am not sure if they are working together for one world power. Maybe somekind of peace that is for sure or at least we like to believe it to be so.

Do you believe that what you see and hear on major network television is true?

No although it sounds very convincing! They are truly good at what they do. They mix some things that are true and others things that aren't. So here we are trying to find the truth all the time.

Do you believe that conspiracy theorists are lunatics or nuts?

Some probably are as of others probably aren't. I am sure some are dead serious and have proof, but it doesn't go on major networks for us to see for if it did then there would be a shift of people doing something about it.

Do you believe that Osama ben Laden was behind the world trade center attack?

I know the C.I.A. trained Osama Bin Laden to keep Russians out of Afghanistan. I assume that Bin Laden doesn't care for the US when they decided to help Kuwait from the invasion of Saddam. If the King of Saudi Arabia would have let his son fight the war against Saddam then Osama Bin Laden wouldn't have an opinion on Americans. Afterall, many Muslims don't want infidels to touch sacred land like Saudia Arabia and that is what we did.

Concerning the 9/11, I was told that Zionists had somehow made it possible to blow up the two buildings to collect huge sums of insurance. Perhaps they predicted that the stock market was ready to collapse and figured well one way to get a bunch of money is to blow up the building and collect on the insurance of what properties belonged to them. If this is true well I wouldn't know.

And lastly, do you believe that Bush won the election fair and square?

Now this I have seen that many of the voters in Florida, Dade County district where turned around on the highways to not be able to get to their booths to vote.

I am sure there was some scam in this. There is a movie to watch with Kevin Spacey who acted as Al Gore concerning the scams of this election. They show at the very end of the movie that many of the ballads where never counted. Very interesting.

The ballads weren't counted? Poetic injustice!

The content of a book lies inside the covers... a place which you have not been.



If you already have read me so well there can be no surprises, for you already know.




I believe that this nation has the most opportunity for the average citizen of all civilized nations in the world. Corruption lies in the hearts and minds of individuals.



Secure enough for you to be able to voice opinions which would have had you hung to death in other civilizations.



Are you being legally charged with treason or inciting panic?



Effectively establish reason to warrant a belief in the existence of this "corporation", then we can consider whether or not the constitution applies to it.



There are inalienable rights, which one cannot give away, and alienable ones(privileges) which one can give away, or lose depending on how you choose to look at it.



Bankers?... taking over a government which is bailing their asses out? Puh-leeeeeze!!!!



Is this a serious question? You are asking me if I believe what is on the television is an accurate reflection of actuality?

If you had any idea who I am, then this question would have not been asked.



I do not categorize all people who believe that there is corruption in politics into a single group of which I can make a broad-based judgement. The value assessment of "lunatics or nuts" requires a much broader consideration of things such as personality elements, patterned behaviours, and the like, which have nothing to do with just believing in a conspiracy theory of any kind.



I believe that he was accused and took responsibility for it.



I believe that I voted for Gore...

Your words give you away. I don't have to look inside of the book.



True, (but one can only hope.)



My prediction did hold true. --You did not say it.
But this statement above does not answer the question it only evades the question.



"Secure enough" (I take that as a yes.)
No surprise here.




I will have to assume this so-called 'answer' in the form of a question, means 'yes' you do believe that the constitution protects us.

No surprise here.



I take this answer to mean that you are unaware that the "United States of America" is a corporation. (Do your own research on that.)

No surprise here.



That is just another way to fool the American people into agreeing to go into more debt to bail out the Federal Reserve who is in debt to the company. Once they foreclose on the corporation (of the United States of America) they will own us along with the other countries where they have stolen the gold and replaced the currency with worthless paper notes.

Federal reserve notes are not real money. They are I.O.U's. They don't and can't bail anyone out. They can only serve to put the corporation into deeper debt. (There is no real money, only debt.)

But your answer is no surprise here.



Yes it is a serious question. But don't reword it though. Do you believe that the major news network lie, tell the truth or spread propaganda? (Spin and propaganda is not the truth.)



That was not the question.

Yes he was accused. Everyone knows that. Maybe he took responsibility for it, and maybe that tape was a fake. But still, that was not the question.



No surprise there, but still not an answer to the question.

You fail to surprise me so I guess I read you pretty good.

In order for a seed to develop into it's full potential, it must first be able to grow in the soil in which it has been planted.



No surprise here...

I'm sad to see how this thread has deteriorated. But simply put, in response to the original topic, my rights end where your rights begin. That's how it works; maybe not how it should be.

somehow a thing called humanity must become stronger and smarter, wiser and more courageous, seeing that a grown up, should be able to hear a barrage of foulness against itself, and not even be remotely kindled to wrath or rage, or to allow this to dictate what is believed as true???

to deem and advertise anything and everything that MIGHT give a negative "feeling", as the guide of all that is good, is but to lead with logic unto sheer madness, following the whims of human fraility and weakness, and so prospering most but this alone???

defined good words as good, create only self apathy and self blindness of true self power, which is self confidence forged by pressure and external friction, not by weakness fostered and portrayed as some love and true care???

a society that only trade kind words for kind words, naturally comes to believe anything not kind is untruth, which create no other choice but to lead unto delusion, by following the percieved honey pot of defined good, be what protect and foster defense mechanism's of the human nature, the ego as king, that create all self sadness and common sadness???

a society and people's determining that all "negative" only make for bad, and evil, set a precedent and logic within the brain, that anything spoken but a kind word, be but fallicy, and not to be heeded as truth???

what more should be heeded, as the most truth, more than angry words, as these belie a breech of trust, and love, and so be the greater words to be taught to be embraced, with strength and courage, not teaching to despise them as wicked and foul, or soon the perception's are taught to see many people's as wicked and foul???

such logic divide all things, from it's inception, and never has the ability to solve or bring unity to anything???

such logic followed is but to soon bring a state, where all but only speak as unto stone's, never actually being heard, as the strength and courage to hear has been torn down and abolished within, with great sounding swelling definitions of good speach embraced as wisdom and wise learning???

of course, there will soon be no hearer's left, since the words don't match the taught and defined good list???

so then in time, who come's to listen to who, and pay heed to anything, except what tell it what it wish to hear???

if all think the same thing, that if words strike any negative cord within, they are false, then there has been logic created within, that actually oppose the very essence of looking deeper, where all sloving powers come from, and blame is only perpetuated and taught to be given back to another, for any hurt feelings, and this of course, erode all true common sense of solutions, as the blamed will never hear, if it can find any ounce of blame to give in return, having been taught over and again, by implied inference in all ways, this makes all other's statements false, and untrue???

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer madness perpetuating madness.

to follow any defined speech as not acceptable, and not commonly agree that each mouth has speech that is soverign, all having the right to speak as it wish, all, the offended of course the same, being encouraged to speak as well, to learn to solve as an adult itself, if not embraced, does not allow anything to grow and no longer be governered by kindergarten emotions, which subvert any hopes of any greater logic ever being learned???

the teaching of being good, by teaching good speech, is sheer tyranny and oppression, of the brain itself, unto pressure cooker's, and subvert any free society, unto pressure cooker's waiting to explode, where as teaching there are no bad words, allow all to learn together with laughter and smiles, even about what would have once envoked to anger and rage???

there is no perceived or defined negative to wisdom, or weakness as bigotry and racism is fostered, and individual's come to believe self feelings alone are dictatorship's, supposed to govern and rule other's, which simply omit any and all greater reasoning and logic of intelligence.

was it not to be lovingly taught in grade school, that sticks and stones can break my bone's, but words can hurt me, and if they do, then this build strength, but now, a bad word, and a evil wicked troublemaker is sent to the principle's office???

if a teacher does not know how to handle and not react to words, and have better words to convert all things into learning, then how will the students not see and believe even more, in rage of reaction of words, as good and normal and adult and wise???

the very structure and system of present society, has come to perpetuate and create the very essence of the things it despise, because it first seen them with despise.

by embracing that there are indeed BAD words that exist, some words with the POWER to create hate, remove the sight that hate is created within by the one that allow it, not yet taught better wisdom, NOT BY SOME WORD WITH POWER, as the HEARER AND SPEAKER "BOTH" GIVE THE POWER, AND SUCH TEACHINGS DESTROY ACCOUNTABILITY OF "BOTH" AS HAVING EQUAL SELF POWER, AND CREATE VICTIM MENTALITIES EASILY LED BY EVIL THE MORE???

the word become "guilty of the hate", and so, the victim's rebell against words, allowing words to control and actually define the truest great human potential!!!

these words will then have no choice but to become "triggers", of a volital society, not missed that the greater the hate, the greater the cry for law and order, which create each second, a more intense stare toward perceieved and defined hate, and the "trigger's" each day, are perpetuated and give more power, by sheer ignorance trying to quell hate by outlawing it.

hate embraced as good, and common feelings, destroy hate!!!

hate condemed as hate, by defined good speech of the professed non-hater's, create more hate!!!

in this way, the hearer become MORE the victim each day, and the speaker but select other words the more anyhow, that mean the same thing, simply but employing more subtle means to say the same things, and no amount of outlawing, or defining them as bad, will not just make for new and greater hate???

hate layered upon hate, each time hate be defended against!!!

it is strength and smartness and total freedom embraced, that abolish violence and self absorption of self feelings, not greater chains, that only envoke but more rebellion and hate within, creating a festering breeding ground for all things any society first despised.

it is not missed, the natural inclination of the mind is to cry for more safety of feelings, and to devour these with relish for all self protection of the ego, and leaders are certainly willing to oblige, trying to ensure the very power held, but indeed, this in itself, has served to subvert and destroy every last ancient civilization, that came to believe that the ego was to be served as god.

peace