Topic: Is Obama really christian
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Mon 01/26/09 05:53 AM

:smile: Well said Moondark.flowerforyou I have been wondering the same thing.:smile:The God of Islam is the same god of Judaism and Christianity.:smile:I dont know where some of these people went to school at, but its called Monotheism.:smile:


Actually, monotheism is a belief that there is only one god, not many. Many Christians, Muslims, Jews etc do not believe these are the same god. They believe their God is the only true God, yet they believe in and practice monotheism. flowerforyou

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Mon 01/26/09 05:56 AM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 01/26/09 05:58 AM


:smile: Well said Moondark.flowerforyou I have been wondering the same thing.:smile:The God of Islam is the same god of Judaism and Christianity.:smile:I dont know where some of these people went to school at, but its called Monotheism.:smile:


Actually, monotheism is a belief that there is only one god, not many. Many Christians, Muslims, Jews etc do not believe these are the same god. They believe their God is the only true God, yet they believe in and practice monotheism. flowerforyou



:smile: Its the same god.:smile:All of my college religion and history textbooks say so.:smile:

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Mon 01/26/09 06:05 AM
He is a muslim terrorist.


























Seriously, religion doesn't matter. Separation of church and state ftw. Our constition rocks.

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Mon 01/26/09 06:08 AM



:smile: Well said Moondark.flowerforyou I have been wondering the same thing.:smile:The God of Islam is the same god of Judaism and Christianity.:smile:I dont know where some of these people went to school at, but its called Monotheism.:smile:


Actually, monotheism is a belief that there is only one god, not many. Many Christians, Muslims, Jews etc do not believe these are the same god. They believe their God is the only true God, yet they believe in and practice monotheism. flowerforyou



:smile: Its the same god.:smile:All of my college religion and history textbooks say so.:smile:


I'm not debating whether it is or is not the same god, just your definition (or use, if you will) of the word monotheism. Satanism is monotheism flowerforyou

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Tue 01/27/09 02:03 PM
is is most controlling and lead to less to begin to define anything into something.......

simply the telling of what is happening with the least amount of labels possibel, show what be the reality most wished to be created.....

defining with labels as observations alone, is as being carried along within a whirling wind, carried as if to destiny unknown, busy defining what the whirlwind is called, hiding self is the whirlwind.....

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Tue 01/27/09 02:11 PM
Technically, is Christianity Monotheistic if they also observe a devil? huh

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Tue 01/27/09 02:33 PM
what that believe in god, and does not believe all are of god as well, will not create the opposite of what is called god, which is all are one, as there if first unbalance of belief, thinking only some, what else can be created but the once spoken definitions of what the opposite of god be?

as if to believe self be capable of great good, and thinking then others are not, and walking down city streets and telling each one how ONE HAS A BELIEF THAT CAN PROOF HOW EACH ONE IS FAILING?

what the hell else could come to be a "god", or just what is WORSHIPPED as most true, except the sight of HOW all others let self down, which make the very insight peered thru called as the opposite of god?

the very logic of this thinking has only one possibility of what it will create?

DIVIDE IN THE MIND THAT USE IT AND SO SHOWERED UNTO ALL OTHER THINGS AS BLESSING OF GOD?

the same as all humans broken into good and not good, make soon "good" only a "bartering" of all feelings as "currency" one to another, this soon COMING TO BE THE GUIDE?

this telling in time VALUE OF HUMANS?

WHO OR WHAT one surmizes of good or god?

it stinks and reeks of bias and deception that carry mankind unto the bowels of destroying itself and wondering how.....

to the depths of distian and hatred, since DISTAIN AND HATRED ARE NOT SEEN AS NORMAL, SO REACTED TO AS IF CATOSTROHIC, SO THEN CREATING CATOSTROHIC COLLECTIVELY IN TIME?

if anything seem to be catostrophic, then HOW IS ONE SEEING THRU THE EYES OF A PERFECT GOD, as what that can make ALL THINGS AS THOSE WHO BELIEF IN GOD SAY, can at the same time profess GOD IS OUT OF CONTROL, which is the same as to say MAN IS OUT OF CONTROL, as if ALL are children, THEN WHAT BABY CAN WITHSTAND A PARENT WHILE SUCKING ON A BOTTLE AND SCREAMING FOR MILK?

and then say to others with the mouth that it KNOW GOD and is the CHILD CHOSEN TO SPEAK WHAT GOD WANT?

please......

wouldbee dicators seeing only thru self emotion as self as great WHICH INDEED MATCH THE TALE TOLD OF ONE THINKING ITSELF GREATER THAN IT'S SIBLINGS...........




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Tue 01/27/09 03:28 PM
does it really matter?flowerforyou

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Tue 01/27/09 04:36 PM

does it really matter?flowerforyou


oh yes my dear, if one know and believe in god?

well, is not god said to be all powerful and of perfect wisdom?

would such as this allow one iota of human pain to exist, if it did not create good just as night and day BOTH have power to kill and destroy?

do not many practice evil in the night, BUT, on the OTHER SIDE OF THE EARTH, IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT, TO A PINDROP MARK IN THE GROUND, CENTER AXIS TO CENTER AXIS, THERE IS A OPPOSITE?

so both are needed, so if one see ANYTHING AS EVIL, OR ANYTHING AS GOOD, THEN IT DECIEVE ITSELF, THE ENTIRE EARTH AND UNNIVERSE DECLARING THE IGNORANCE AS ACCEPTED UNTO SELF, so yea my dear, IT DOES MATTER........

FOR IT MATTERING IS THE ONLY THING THAT EVER MADE ANY GOOD THAT EVER EXISTED.......

close now thine eyes back to sleep, as that is where you lay most comnfortablly, and of course, jesus and god came for you to be comfy, and rest your eyes with the limited data that you only believe so as not to look deeeeeeeeeep into your heart, and see who and what you are, as if SELF DOES NOT SEE EACH THING THAT HAPPEN AS A MIRACLE, it live in bias, dividing there first what be the THIN LINE OF THE TRUTH, THAT LIVE NOT IN RIGHT OR LEFT, BUT STRAIGHT DOWN THE CENTER AXIS, the same center axis that spawned all things in the universe from one SPECK, and you surmize MANY THINGS ARE OTHER'S FAULT, AND SEE NOT YOU ARE YOURSELF AS AXIS, here to learn to meet ever last challenge with valor and pride and love for your brood, the mother that guide with wisdom and not some emotions past on to you from all met in life, and THAT MY DEAR IS NOT WHO YOU ARE....

you are WHO YOU ARE WITHOUT EMOTION?

if one thrirst for emotion only, it thrust itself unto it's own failing good thinking, seeing it's true purpose, WHICH TURNS ANYTHING THOUGHT TO BE SOME EFFORT, as being accomplished as a god, or what that part not said?

for is it thought that a child god that say god is within, then must know, HOW TO MAKE ONESELF AS A GROWN?

does not a human child soon see how to be as the
"adults wish"?

after this, then does not come finding oneself?

this finding always into some religion of now being the GOOD PERSON, dosen't have to be of a religous thing, just a new leaf now, and this one come to be the advisor of righteoussness, preaching all that they hear the good lord done spoke to their insides place, such a wonderful feelin this good lord, as he paid my bill today, and sent a check me way, and boy, this here lord sho is better than all them times bad come my way, and yes, i go to the BIG house when i die, for god done gave me eternal life, and saved my dear soul, when the sight of losing that soul be the only thing that be the evidence you was willing to give her up to the ole devil, you was willin to, cuss you liked and loved people TOO much, yea, that some kinda god ya got their.....

NO THANKS!

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Tue 01/27/09 05:36 PM
Davidben your posts confuse mewhoa

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Tue 01/27/09 05:40 PM

Technically, is Christianity Monotheistic if they also observe a devil? huh


yes, because the Devil isn't a god, but a fallen angel who went against god.

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Tue 01/27/09 05:43 PM
We must give Obama the benefit of the doubt. That he will lead to the best of his abilities for the people.

One thing I know is GW Bush was abd is a liar and had no problem doing it and refused to acknowledge anything he might of messed up on. A Liar is not of Yahweh... Blessings...MIles

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Tue 01/27/09 05:43 PM


Technically, is Christianity Monotheistic if they also observe a devil? huh


yes, because the Devil isn't a god, but a fallen angel who went against god.


Thanks. I just started wondering about that today.

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Tue 01/27/09 05:55 PM

does it really matter?flowerforyou


I don't think so.

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Tue 01/27/09 05:55 PM

Davidben your posts confuse mewhoa


Yeah, that happens.:wink:

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Tue 01/27/09 06:57 PM

Davidben your posts confuse mewhoa


that is most distressing.....

you do me...




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Wed 01/28/09 12:58 AM


:smile: Well said Moondark.flowerforyou I have been wondering the same thing.:smile:The God of Islam is the same god of Judaism and Christianity.:smile:I dont know where some of these people went to school at, but its called Monotheism.:smile:


Actually, monotheism is a belief that there is only one god, not many. Many Christians, Muslims, Jews etc do not believe these are the same god. They believe their God is the only true God, yet they believe in and practice monotheism. flowerforyou


Well, I could be wrong... But supposedly, the same Jewish God who had promised Moses and the Jews that there'd be another prophet coming, sent Jesus. Yet the Jews didn't believe that Jesus was the Messiah and so they are still waiting on him. Then, the angel Gabriel appeared to Mohammad and told him that he was the next prophet after Jesus. And that Allah (which is just the Arabic word for God) had decided that he now wants all Jews and Christians to become Muslims. But of course, we still have Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Apparently, God hasn't been real successful at delivering his message!

So to recap, Christians believe in the same God as the Jews (hence; Old Testiment) and the Muslims believe in the same God as the Christians and Jews. Only difference is, the Muslims believe that Jesus was just a prophet, like Mohammad, and not the son of God. Even Jesus, when asked if he was the son of God, replied: "We're ALL children of God."

Anywho, I think it's all a bunch of man made stories and fairy tales.

signed,

Happy atheist!


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Wed 01/28/09 02:04 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Wed 01/28/09 02:11 AM
Now if we ALL could share like you just did, MahanMahan....

and not even have to agree...at all....

but be able to share on this forum....

without anyone bashing others beliefs anymore!!drinker



Why..this forum would become the Greatest place!!!:heart:

MahanMahan....

your post shows what I call Real MATURITY!!!drinker

flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou

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Wed 01/28/09 04:30 AM

Now if we ALL could share like you just did, MahanMahan....

and not even have to agree...at all....

but be able to share on this forum....

without anyone bashing others beliefs anymore!!drinker



Why..this forum would become the Greatest place!!!:heart:

MahanMahan....

your post shows what I call Real MATURITY!!!drinker

flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou


OMGarsh,

I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic or being sincere, but thank you just the same.

You mean I didn't offend you, with that last remark about all this being man-made stories or fairy tales? I think I should just quit engaging in debates of religious and political nature, as it tends to be a very personal and sensetive subject to many people.

flowerforyou drinker :smile:

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Wed 01/28/09 03:06 PM
Edited by davidben1 on Wed 01/28/09 03:12 PM
who debate what was first one, and use it as a handbook of curse, to divide PEOPLES in two, saying some are godly and some are not godly???

this show most self be of two, and in the same book there be only TWO powers, called god and satan???

if one believe in a god and satan to exist???

do these two great powers each have their own power???

the same as energy???

these two energies be in humans???

one energy in each???

two energies in each???

do some have both energies???

then these two powers control all things???

is this why your book say none can serve two masters???

so then EACH have either one or the "other" energy???

what create the satan energy, what create the god energy???

is there a list of infallible signs as some proof???

do not such things HAVE TO HAVE PROOF, if they decide human fates???

things that seperate people into TWO categories, as different spieces, DO NOT NEED PROOF???

is it not first dividing all peoples as some of god and some not, that be the sign of the lessor, and not of the greater???

is not it only man with belief of the poison cup of the blood of all passed greaters, that drink of the vinegar of BIAS FREELY, of two groups and not one???

if ALL CAME FROM GOD, A CREATOR OF ALL, FROM NOTHING, SOME SAY ONE SPECK, then how are not all they that give and make conditions for others of what be of ALL, NOT the only thing that create the lessor energy???

it is not that hard to see who disect all into two???

how is anything of ONE that stand and SAY THERE BE TWO???

is this a bias?

is this not what first break anything into two, making white as better than black???

is this and easy tell of the lessor energy then???

seems IF ANYTHING BELIEVE IN GOD, it would then have to either believe all of god, or some of god, as is there some place in the MIDDLE???

is there a MIDDLE ENERGY OR POWER???