uhg.
Yes creation proves the bible and I came from an ape.

I think I know the mentality I'm dealing with here.
You just flat out refuse to learn, and you have no concept of evolution or what it is.
"creation proves the bible" is a statement that not only makes absolutly no sense but shows an incredible amount of ignorance.

LMFAO! I can't believe that this thread has lasted this long. You're exactly right. They flat out refuse to acknowledge years of scientific evidence and solid proof that backs up the theory of evolution.

The three books that are most poisonous to the human mind published today are:

Torah

Bible

Quran

who is they?

That's exactly the point MahanMahan.

And yes it is as exact as current stats provide.

THEY ARE VOCAL AS ALL HELL, AND NEARLY ALL IN THE USA!!!

Sort of a LOUD, extremely WELL FUNDED, tiny proportion of the christian worldwide community.

Think of it,

Christians embracing evolution:
Catholics, Anglicans, all Orthodox, and most Protestants.

That leaves twelve evangelical-fundamentalists, probably all on these forums!!!

And the silent majority remains silent because they have always been, and because the 'fundies' do all kinds of other dirty work for it.

Evolution isn't the only 'christian' fight.

Let's not forget
... the 'baby killers' crusade,
... the 'immoral gay life style' crusade,
... the all against 'stem cellers' crusade,
... and the list goes on.

So fundies are the convenient, if embarrassing christian 'goons'!!!

The christians that do not believe evolution.

I'm a christian and the other christians i know aren't that way. nothing wrong with evolution. whether i agree with something or not...or have no opinion....i'm not going to sit in judgement for other peoples beliefs. not all christians are that way...maybe the ones you know but that's a drop in the bucket.

and those pictures....i would never do that. i can't tell someone they are going to hell or not

Exactly!!!

That's the craziest of 'fundies' movement. A tiny (family sourced) 'baptist' sect.

Pretty sure it is the same sect that Michael Moore's 'GAYMOBILE' chased all over the US in an attempt to expose the bigotry and 'backass' attitude!!!

Again 'Yellowrose',

You might as well not call them christians, they account for 0,00267% of them all, and YOU ARE NOT IN THAT 'SELECT SECT' right along with 99,997% of all other christians of the planet.

What would be interesting is that you join us in categorically denouncing these delusional, fanatical lunatics giving not just christians, BUT ALL AMERICA A REAL BAD NAME!!!

Again a little reaching with those pics....At least again no one I know would want to be anyone else's judge.....so those that do shame on them. Just like with all different groups of people you have bad or good...and who is at fault for lumping all the "Christians" together.....

Again 'feral', you are misreading!!!

No one has lumped ALL CHRISTIANS TOGETHER.

It is the exact opposite!!!

99.997% of all christians of the planet ARE NOT LUMPED!!!

AGAIN, NOT LUMPED!!!

Only the 'bible-inerrancy-dogmatic-fundamentalists', constituting 0,00267% of planetary christians, are a real shameful agent of the human race, as depicted above.

Again, 99,997% of all christians, NOT LUMPED.

0,00267% OF FUNDAMENTALISTS, LUMPED!!!

One wonder's if Feral's question will be asked 50 years from today?

In the year 2059...

Will Christian's still have a huge following and those Christians who don't believe in Evolution have a greater following then they do today?

Will they convince Evolutionist's or others who deem uncertain that the Bible is the true calling?

Will those who don't believe in Evolution still believe the Bible is the closest history of how everything started?

Will there still be debates between Creationists and Evolutionists that argue or debate what is true or not?

In the end will it be important or will we repeat history and create the same chaos we humans always tend to do when two opposing sides disagree?

Will Christianity and its following denominations eventually go to the category (already is for some) Mythology and join the stories of Greek, Roman, Norse, and Celtic Mythologies?

Or will it gain popularity as poverty increases across the world and people clinge to the teachings of preachers??

I guess in the end one just has to wait and see as only few sit and actually find out for themselves through research and study.

Interesting questions 'smiless',

It is important to point out however, that the numbers would reveal a clear direction towards 'extinction' of the 0,00267% of bible-innerrant-dogmatic-fundamentalists 'rear-view' of 'evolution'.
Right along our understanding of the 'survival of the fittest', from the very theory the fundamentalists are fighting, for the survival of their bible-inerrant-dogma.

It is important to note that a mere 150 years of recent history ago, the proportion of christians rejecting Darwins' new theory of evolution of the time, was nearly 100%.

Today, it is almost 100% of christians whom embrace the theory of evolution.

While the 0,00267% fundamentalists are very loud, shameless, and noisy, THE DIRECTION INDICATED BY THE NUMBERS IS AS CLEAR AS CAN BE!!!

Evolutive-Extinction!!!

Christianity has been dominant in this age of Pisces and this age is coming to an end.

It will pass into myth within a hundred years I estimate.

It surely looks like it and that evolution will be the widely most accepted knowledge we can work with in the future, yet I wonder at times how far will a religion believe in evolution.

I hear often that the Catholic's or other Christian denomination of 98% believes in evolution, but ask yourself this: Do they truly believe in it?

I ask this because Evolutionists maybe able to trace back how evolution started 4 billion years ago and cannot tell you besides through the theory of the big bang of how everything started. Then what happened before the big bang theory? Was everything just black space and a single little dust somehow managed to enter it to create a big bang?

So I think personally religion will follow along until scientists can somehow prove that a all living God (the god a certain religion worships or envisions) is proven false.

For example: Don't you find it ironic that when Galileo had proven his findings at the time that he was only told off as heresy and was thrown in jail for his discoveries.

Let alone think of all the torturings of brilliant minds who found evidence that contradicts the stories of a bible.

Perhaps the Catholics long history of persecutions have added up that the current Popes of our time have no other solution, but to believe in evolution to keep the believers they have. They know that it is wise not to repeat their mistakes.

Afterall, many who dedicate their life works on evolution or either agnostic or atheists.

and many popes mention that evolution is not acceptable by those who claim they are atheists. Don't believe me then research and you will see.


One can only conclude as long as the actual answer they deem to be true and the existence of their organization is not threatened, which is that "God" started everything then evolution can say whatever they want in a religious mind even if you try to cross reference the two they contradict with evolution and what the bible has to say on how everything started.

Here is a question that may have a simple answer or not.

Can a dedicated religious follower believe word by word on what the Bible teaches and still believe in Evolution?

Wouldn't this contradict itself?

NO!!!



Why do you suppose they are madly fighting for the survival of their dogma?!?!?




Science has nothing to do with belief.

Many scientists are devout christians, and have no problem making the FAITH/FACT distinction.

A bit like different density water, IT IS NOT MEANT TO MIX, however hard or long you might swirl, and stir, and shake the two around!!!

The vast majority of christians have no problem 'living' their faith, while simultaneously 'thinking' the natural world from a 'Theory of evolution' perspective.

Bible-inerrancy-dogmatic-fundamentalism has no future IMO. It will remain a refuge for a loud, shameless, and 'rear-view' dogmatic few, just like you could still find 'flat-earthers' and 'intelligent-falling' (anti-gravity) fanatics if you looked hard today!!!

... That being said 'Jeannie', I personaly wouldn't be so quick to predict the same of the 99,997% of christians WHOSE FAITH ISN'T FOUNDED ON A LITTERAL WORD-FOR-WORD DOGMA BASED ON A BOOK.

"The Christians" Do I see him saying specific or certain types of christians.....looks up.....no....so therefore is that lumping "The Christians" together. Why yes Bob I believe it is. So tell them what they win....Well Debbie they win the comment that I made previously.......So voil there ya have it....plain as the nose on your face.

unless you have polled all christians on this planet...you have no clue. I was brought up in a church that may not agree with evolution but they don't discount it. some think it can go hand in hand. you don't know me or all the christians in the world, so don 't pretend you do

Smiles:

I think people will question always....It's human nature.

No again a misinterpretation at least for me. Smiles said:

Will Christian's still have a huge following and those Christians who don't believe in Evolution have a greater following then they do today?

For me I do believe in evolution that is a given. Within a species...What I don't believe in is evolving from one species into a complete new species.

It's not my job to convince anyone of anything about the Bible...as it is no ones else's right to call my beliefs a myth...pretty simple huh.

It is also not right to assume that I would change my mind on how the world started. I won't. If others do again a free choice decision to believe what will get them through the day.

There will also be debate or different opposing sides to this issue.

Again I can only speak for myself, but yes I do believe that one day. (don't know when because only God does) All will be made clear. Now also like I have said on many occasions and for myself. I can't believe that we are born, we go to school, we work, we raise families, and then we die. And if God created us with more in mind....then that is what I choose to believe.

Also something I have also said....Religion is man made. People join different religions for different reasons. But when it comes down to it...IT'S A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST THAT MATTERS OR WHATEVER YOUR GOD IS. Again I am speaking for myself...because that is all I can speak for and give my views as they are for me.

And no Christianity will never be a myth, because there is to much history that backs it up. But again people can say well the history is just written by men that wrote the Bible. But if that were the case, it still doesn't take away all the history that is in the Bible. And agian whether you believe it or don't believe doesn't make it not so.

there are radicals in every sect of everything that give others a bad name. it's not just christianity thqat has them.

So in the end the only issue between the topic with evolution is if one believes that it is possible that a species can evolve into another complete different species or not.

So there are some who believe that humans are not of the ape family

and then there are some

who believe our ancestory is from a type of ape family let it be chimpanzee or a primate type of somekind

so if this is to be true, I ask what does this have to do with the bible?

Does the bible explicitly explain who we were, how we looked liked, what we did millions of years ago?