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Topic: Sodom and Gomorrah: Whats the deal?
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Tue 12/30/08 02:33 PM
No Krimsa..it just

means there is much much more to God

and His Word , then has been fully

understood yet...

But the more we study,

the more we will learn

about the deeper things of God

and His Word.......

and it all will become clear ...

as we learn and grow.

flowerforyou:heart:flowerforyou


Krimsa's photo
Tue 12/30/08 02:38 PM
Hmm. laugh huh

skypoetone's photo
Tue 12/30/08 05:24 PM
My God would never condone Killing, yet the bible God loved the smell of burning flesh... btw, Christ didn't need to die for me, if I had lived in those times I would have given my own life up WILLINGLY!

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Wed 12/31/08 03:36 PM
Krimsa if you have a problem with anything the Almighty does, then you need to take it up with the Omniscient One. He's the one calling all the shots here. He can do whatever He wills, whether you like it or not. His thoughts are much higher than ours. You may never understand His reasoning now, but some day you will. We all shall come into the fullness of understanding of all spiritual matters someday. Praise Yah! But in the meantime just ask Him. Go to Him and ask Him and see what He tells you. :smile:

Yamin:heart:

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Wed 12/31/08 03:42 PM
No one can ask god for any kind of explanation for anything he calls upon men to do. Thats because he is invisible and no one can even substantiate his existence.

If you were able to bring him around, I would DEMAND that he stand trial for his unfathomable behavior and brutal crimes against humanity. Lot also for child endangerment.

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Wed 12/31/08 09:03 PM

No one can ask god for any kind of explanation for anything he calls upon men to do. Thats because he is invisible and no one can even substantiate his existence.

If you were able to bring him around, I would DEMAND that he stand trial for his unfathomable behavior and brutal crimes against humanity. Lot also for child endangerment.


For one thing here people do not seem to understand the family structure in the bible.

A daughter is under her fathers roof untill she marries.

Thier are many examples of this in taking a vow a father can make the vow annulled because maybe his daughter did not understand the severity of this vow she was making.

Lots daughters were not children. After they left Lots wife turned to stone and lot went towards Zoar.

his daughters got him drunk and this i will say i do not understand but they got him drunk and slept with him because they wanted to make sure he had a male child.

that is where Moabites and the Ammonites come from. his daughters.

So this children thing just simply is not true. People on here have daughters who they refer to as daughter that is 40 y.O. Does that make them children? Blessings...Miles

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Wed 12/31/08 09:20 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Wed 12/31/08 09:22 PM

For one thing here people do not seem to understand the family structure in the bible.


I understand it perfectly well. Women were worth about half as many shekels as males.

A daughter is under her fathers roof untill she marries.


That would mean that she is UNDER her father's protection until she marries. That does not mean that he has the right to offer her to a mob of rapists to protect a couple of male strangers that showed up at his house. There is no justification. If god condones such behavior, what does that say about god?

Thier are many examples of this in taking a vow a father can make the vow annulled because maybe his daughter did not understand the severity of this vow she was making


There is also a circumstance in which the Law dictates that a betrothed female (as young as 14 in this day) could be stoned to death if her new husband suspects her to not be virginal.

Lots daughters were not children. After they left Lots wife turned to stone and lot went towards Zoar.


True we do not know their exact age because the bible fails to tell us anything about them. We dont even know the names of the daughters or the name of Lot's wife because women are supporting characters and felt to be insignificant in the bible.

his daughters got him drunk and this i will say i do not understand but they got him drunk and slept with him because they wanted to make sure he had a male child.


And by this remark you are attempting to say, "those whores, look what they ended up doing anyway with their own father." ? And of course in the bible its only important that male infants be born.

I dont care if his daughters were in their 40s though that is very unlikely as people were lucky if they lived to be 30 in this day and age.



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Wed 12/31/08 09:53 PM


For one thing here people do not seem to understand the family structure in the bible.


I understand it perfectly well. Women were worth about half as many shekels as males.

A daughter is under her fathers roof untill she marries.


That would mean that she is UNDER her father's protection until she marries. That does not mean that he has the right to offer her to a mob of rapists to protect a couple of male strangers that showed up at his house. There is no justification. If god condones such behavior, what does that say about god?

Thier are many examples of this in taking a vow a father can make the vow annulled because maybe his daughter did not understand the severity of this vow she was making


There is also a circumstance in which the Law dictates that a betrothed female (as young as 14 in this day) could be stoned to death if her new husband suspects her to not be virginal.

Lots daughters were not children. After they left Lots wife turned to stone and lot went towards Zoar.


True we do not know their exact age because the bible fails to tell us anything about them. We dont even know the names of the daughters or the name of Lot's wife because women are supporting characters and felt to be insignificant in the bible.

his daughters got him drunk and this i will say i do not understand but they got him drunk and slept with him because they wanted to make sure he had a male child.


And by this remark you are attempting to say, "those whores, look what they ended up doing anyway with their own father." ? And of course in the bible its only important that male infants be born.

I dont care if his daughters were in their 40s though that is very unlikely as people were lucky if they lived to be 30 in this day and age.



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No the truth is that is probally the only thing i wonder about is lot getting drunk.

The scriptures point out that it is confusion for any sexual contact within a family.

So Lots daughter you can have a good assumption was used to seeing this type behavior in sodom and gomorrah.

They do not question each other about this plan they decide at all.

I called them nothing. You did so that must be how you see them not me.

It seems to anger you when it has anything to do with women you lash out.

Step back and try to look at what was going on what the scriptures say in other places and you can see more of what was happening thier.

You say women are nothing in the Bible.

What was mary?

Is she just a joke.

Did the Angel not praise her?

Rahab is a Grand mother of Yahshua. She was a Harlot who lived at Jericho that saved her family.

Yet Yahweh is showing even though she was not of Israel.

She showed her trust towards Yahweh to do HIS will.

She became Yahshua's grandmother for it.

Women are not this throw away garbage everyone tries to make the, out to be in the scriptures.

As I have said before the Law was always meant to be spiritual and only 2 made it to the Promice land that was not born in the desert.

Yahweh is less authoritive towards youth than our own govt.

It was those 20 and below that entered the promice land.

It was those 20 and above who went to war. 20 and above who was counted in the census.

David prayed forgive the sins of my youth.

The sins of your youth is under 20. You are not responcible to anyone but your parents.

The parents had the final say so.

Where in the Bible is thier an example of children actually being stoned?

I can not recall any..

Lots daughters learned bad stuff in sodom just as our children go out into the world and learn bad stuff from others.

thier parents try to correct them. hard to do from pier pressure.

So many people who home school do it for this reason and have better behaved kids.

but then we get the ones who hate the scriptures and they have a fit and say they should be in public schools so they can deal with society.

We cry about Homeschoolers then an example like lot comes along and what happens?

Sodom is a perfect example of what public education is.

It has not in time been that many years since about all kids were taught at home.

Big difference in respect not only of thier parents but of The Scriptures as a Whole.

It is not Lot that is at the root of all evil.

It is the system of society that says we know what is best for you.

Is this not the mess the middle class is in today because those who rule us do not do so rightfully?

That is called unrighteousness Krisma.

Righteousness is the oppisite where families make decisions and train up a child. Lot was trying to do and be a good example at Sodom.

yahweh pulled him out because it was to EVIL.

We better wake up and see things for what they are because what you atre seeing today is no different than Sodom and Gommorrah.

Everyone doing what they want and having confussion rule them.

Bring the scriptures back and then you will see good incomes for all of us and help for all of us and people will work or not eat.

That is Yahweh's way.
yahweh's way is you are paid what you are worth.

Kings Yahweh brought down because of thier ways towards the people.

We need that also and it is going to happen.

You can count on this. This earth will bow down and repent or perish.

Mother nature is calling. But we do not say a hurricane is a evil thing do we.

Is a Hurricane alive?

Does it breathe?

Go complain to nature when things go bad.

I will prefer to Pray To Yahweh of Hosts who will get us out of this mess of the Rich rule all other are slaves.

Then we will have peace on earth and we won't have to worry about Lot.. Blessings...Miles


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Wed 12/31/08 10:37 PM


For one thing here people do not seem to understand the family structure in the bible.


I understand it perfectly well. Women were worth about half as many shekels as males.

A daughter is under her fathers roof untill she marries.


That would mean that she is UNDER her father's protection until she marries. That does not mean that he has the right to offer her to a mob of rapists to protect a couple of male strangers that showed up at his house. There is no justification. If god condones such behavior, what does that say about god?

Thier are many examples of this in taking a vow a father can make the vow annulled because maybe his daughter did not understand the severity of this vow she was making


There is also a circumstance in which the Law dictates that a betrothed female (as young as 14 in this day) could be stoned to death if her new husband suspects her to not be virginal.

Lots daughters were not children. After they left Lots wife turned to stone and lot went towards Zoar.


True we do not know their exact age because the bible fails to tell us anything about them. We dont even know the names of the daughters or the name of Lot's wife because women are supporting characters and felt to be insignificant in the bible.

his daughters got him drunk and this i will say i do not understand but they got him drunk and slept with him because they wanted to make sure he had a male child.


And by this remark you are attempting to say, "those whores, look what they ended up doing anyway with their own father." ? And of course in the bible its only important that male infants be born.

I dont care if his daughters were in their 40s though that is very unlikely as people were lucky if they lived to be 30 in this day and age.



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spock Why didn't The Goddess put a stop to the way women were being treated?spock

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Wed 12/31/08 10:39 PM
Well if there is a Goddess, she doesnt work like that. It is not the same concept as Monotheism at all. I could ask you, how would the god of the bible allow them to crucify women as Witches? huh

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Thu 01/01/09 05:46 AM
The more I hear the pathetic reasoning behind the hatred of so called "heathens" and their many grotesque demises the stronger my passion is to denounce it.

If GOD means anything it is UNCONDITIONAL LOVE… imho the bible is Satanic.

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Thu 01/01/09 06:25 AM
Besides, monotheists are not truly monotheists due to the existence of Satan. They are cheating in that respect. huh Its a system of duality.

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 01/01/09 08:30 PM

Besides, monotheists are not truly monotheists due to the existence of Satan. They are cheating in that respect. huh Its a system of duality.



winking Bingo:thumbsup:

Krimsa's photo
Fri 01/02/09 05:12 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Fri 01/02/09 05:13 AM
No the truth is that is probally the only thing i wonder about is lot getting drunk


Well getting back on topic here. Miles I did not respond to your post because it was somewhat irrelevant. Im not really concerned with the aftermath and the "Incident" that took place after the fact with the girls and Lot. I would like to remain a little more focused on the actual story of Sodom and Gomorrah itself and what took place between the mob and Lot and the daughters. .

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