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Edited by
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Thanks Winx she moved here back in August!! Its work as every relationship is and I have not been the best gf in the world (long story) but it is soooooooooo worth fighting for!!! You're welcome, Fairycatcher. Yes, relationships are work. 
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What I wish to know......is since marriage is a religious ceremony, why would anyone homosexual would wish to involve themselves in a religious ceremony anyways.....furthermore, due to seperation of religion and state why does one with a religious ceremony get bigger tax breaks than a person without....why is recognized by our government there? Just end it and grant the same rights to Unmarried partner as married partners with no definition of gender. grumble There is no seperation of church and state.. THATS THE PROBLEM!!!! |
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I have noticed that most (not all, I said most) men who are against gay marriage some how make it sound like two men marrying threatens THEIR sexuality? Two men being in love does not do any harm to a straight man, especially since most gay men are respectful enough to not hit on someone unless they know they are gay. Although, they don't mind seeing two women go at it as long as said women are hot. Most women who are against gay marriage (again, I said MOST, not all) aren't even really sure why they're against it other than because the bible told them so. Its a book. I will not take it as anything other than a book unless and until God himself/herself/their selves comes and tells me otherwise. I fully believe that God (whichever way you see him/her/them) loves unconditionally and doesn't have any grief with anyone being in love. The God I know is loving and does create such people to teach the rest of us acceptance and love. We're supposed to love everybody, not just those who are just like us. That would be the reason God makes gay people, so many different skin colors, and people with disabilities. We're supposed to learn to love and accept every single person we want to hate for being different. I oppose gay marrige, not for any other reason then my religious beliefs..I do not hate gay people or wish them harm..I believe that all Americans are guarenteed equal protection and rights according to our constitution..Now having said that, I am not sure what god you are talking about when you say that God is a god of love that teaches acceptance.. Unconditional love is a seperate issue to what you are referring to. But unconditional love does not mean that those he loves can do anything they want without reprocussions. The God of the Bible is a God of Love, Kindness, Forgiveness as well as a God of Wrath and Justness. We tend to highlight only the attributes that we know benifit us, and allow our conduct, but to not acknowledge the other attributes means that we don't comprehend His entirity. Gods word is complete and unchanged with time and just because we like to believe that it changes to meet our circumstances, doesn't mean that it is true. If you look at the Bible and how it deals with individuals and groups of people that live a life contrary to His will, he charges them to repent, and do not continue in the sin..Take the woman that was being stoned because she was a prostitue..Jesus stopped them because it was wrong to harm her, but told her that her sins were forgiven and go and do it no more..a clear indication of His intent and desire to live in His will..He did not treat her badly or wish her harm..but if she chose to live as a prostitue afterwards, then she would suffer Gods wrath..not mans..a pretty simple lession on how we should approach this subject.. |
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Edited by
Unknow
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Sat 12/20/08 02:13 PM
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I have noticed that most (not all, I said most) men who are against gay marriage some how make it sound like two men marrying threatens THEIR sexuality? Two men being in love does not do any harm to a straight man, especially since most gay men are respectful enough to not hit on someone unless they know they are gay. Although, they don't mind seeing two women go at it as long as said women are hot. Most women who are against gay marriage (again, I said MOST, not all) aren't even really sure why they're against it other than because the bible told them so. Its a book. I will not take it as anything other than a book unless and until God himself/herself/their selves comes and tells me otherwise. I fully believe that God (whichever way you see him/her/them) loves unconditionally and doesn't have any grief with anyone being in love. The God I know is loving and does create such people to teach the rest of us acceptance and love. We're supposed to love everybody, not just those who are just like us. That would be the reason God makes gay people, so many different skin colors, and people with disabilities. We're supposed to learn to love and accept every single person we want to hate for being different. I oppose gay marrige, not for any other reason then my religious beliefs..I do not hate gay people or wish them harm..I believe that all Americans are guarenteed equal protection and rights according to our constitution..Now having said that, I am not sure what god you are talking about when you say that God is a god of love that teaches acceptance.. Unconditional love is a seperate issue to what you are referring to. But unconditional love does not mean that those he loves can do anything they want without reprocussions. The God of the Bible is a God of Love, Kindness, Forgiveness as well as a God of Wrath and Justness. We tend to highlight only the attributes that we know benifit us, and allow our conduct, but to not acknowledge the other attributes means that we don't comprehend His entirity. Gods word is complete and unchanged with time and just because we like to believe that it changes to meet our circumstances, doesn't mean that it is true. If you look at the Bible and how it deals with individuals and groups of people that live a life contrary to His will, he charges them to repent, and do not continue in the sin..Take the woman that was being stoned because she was a prostitue..Jesus stopped them because it was wrong to harm her, but told her that her sins were forgiven and go and do it no more..a clear indication of His intent and desire to live in His will..He did not treat her badly or wish her harm..but if she chose to live as a prostitue afterwards, then she would suffer Gods wrath..not mans..a pretty simple lession on how we should approach this subject.. I guess we should let the murders, rapist and molesters free until they are judge by god! Man acknowledges a marriage performed by a Justice of the peace! I guess everyone married by one is living in sin How many Christians have been married more than once? Wait that's right all you have to do is get an annulment and pay the church! Pay cash for your sins. What a great concept! |
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I have noticed that most (not all, I said most) men who are against gay marriage some how make it sound like two men marrying threatens THEIR sexuality? Two men being in love does not do any harm to a straight man, especially since most gay men are respectful enough to not hit on someone unless they know they are gay. Although, they don't mind seeing two women go at it as long as said women are hot. Most women who are against gay marriage (again, I said MOST, not all) aren't even really sure why they're against it other than because the bible told them so. Its a book. I will not take it as anything other than a book unless and until God himself/herself/their selves comes and tells me otherwise. I fully believe that God (whichever way you see him/her/them) loves unconditionally and doesn't have any grief with anyone being in love. The God I know is loving and does create such people to teach the rest of us acceptance and love. We're supposed to love everybody, not just those who are just like us. That would be the reason God makes gay people, so many different skin colors, and people with disabilities. We're supposed to learn to love and accept every single person we want to hate for being different. I oppose gay marrige, not for any other reason then my religious beliefs..I do not hate gay people or wish them harm..I believe that all Americans are guarenteed equal protection and rights according to our constitution..Now having said that, I am not sure what god you are talking about when you say that God is a god of love that teaches acceptance.. Unconditional love is a seperate issue to what you are referring to. But unconditional love does not mean that those he loves can do anything they want without reprocussions. The God of the Bible is a God of Love, Kindness, Forgiveness as well as a God of Wrath and Justness. We tend to highlight only the attributes that we know benifit us, and allow our conduct, but to not acknowledge the other attributes means that we don't comprehend His entirity. Gods word is complete and unchanged with time and just because we like to believe that it changes to meet our circumstances, doesn't mean that it is true. If you look at the Bible and how it deals with individuals and groups of people that live a life contrary to His will, he charges them to repent, and do not continue in the sin..Take the woman that was being stoned because she was a prostitue..Jesus stopped them because it was wrong to harm her, but told her that her sins were forgiven and go and do it no more..a clear indication of His intent and desire to live in His will..He did not treat her badly or wish her harm..but if she chose to live as a prostitue afterwards, then she would suffer Gods wrath..not mans..a pretty simple lession on how we should approach this subject.. this give your religion the right to protest gay marriage --------- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; --------- but passing a law any law passed on religion is in essence establishing said religion |
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Edited by
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"It may have been based on christianity but there are 3 very big words that goes with it.. FREEDOM OF RELIGON. When you bring church into state you take away that right..JMO" "The country was founded on freedom of religion. It wasn't founded on Christianity." Here is my understanding of the Freedom of Religion... from the HISTORY Channel. Around 1700's and earlier in Europe, People got KILLED because of their Religion. I am not talking about Christians vs Islam vs Hindu vs Buddists vs Scientology. I am talking about Bloody Mary - Queen Mary killing Protestants because she is Catholic and was against the people getting a personal copy standard book size of the Bible (vs the Catholic Giant sized Bible read only by Priest to the People). Lutherans being killed by other form of Christianity. The Founding Father idea was that you don't have to be a particular Religion in order to serve in Government. ie. you don't have to be a Protestant or Catholic to hold office or have a business or be discriminate against. Religion and Politics has throughout History try to LIMIT OTHERS' FREEDOM... Subjectgating them to their ways and beliefs. Simply, that is exactly what the Christian Republican Right are trying to do. Ask yourself this question... If We all say "OK"... no more Gay Rights and No more Abortions... (because none of these issues really affect me at all)... what will happen NEXT... The MONEY Making, POWER Greedy Craving Political Machine will find another issue to LIMIT other People's rights on... the path will eventually lead us to become just another Islamic Freedomless Religion Imposed State. (The Political RELIGION Machine will not be satisfy with just No more Gay Rights and No more Abortions...) |
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I oppose gay marrige, not for any other reason then my religious beliefs..I do not hate gay people or wish them harm..I believe that all Americans are guarenteed equal protection and rights according to our constitution..Now having said that, I am not sure what god you are talking about when you say that God is a god of love that teaches acceptance.. Unconditional love is a seperate issue to what you are referring to. But unconditional love does not mean that those he loves can do anything they want without reprocussions. The God of the Bible is a God of Love, Kindness, Forgiveness as well as a God of Wrath and Justness. We tend to highlight only the attributes that we know benifit us, and allow our conduct, but to not acknowledge the other attributes means that we don't comprehend His entirity. Gods word is complete and unchanged with time and just because we like to believe that it changes to meet our circumstances, doesn't mean that it is true. If you look at the Bible and how it deals with individuals and groups of people that live a life contrary to His will, he charges them to repent, and do not continue in the sin..Take the woman that was being stoned because she was a prostitue..Jesus stopped them because it was wrong to harm her, but told her that her sins were forgiven and go and do it no more..a clear indication of His intent and desire to live in His will..He did not treat her badly or wish her harm..but if she chose to live as a prostitue afterwards, then she would suffer Gods wrath..not mans..a pretty simple lession on how we should approach this subject.. I agree... very good points. The Path of Sin = Pain. |
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I have noticed that most (not all, I said most) men who are against gay marriage some how make it sound like two men marrying threatens THEIR sexuality? Two men being in love does not do any harm to a straight man, especially since most gay men are respectful enough to not hit on someone unless they know they are gay. Although, they don't mind seeing two women go at it as long as said women are hot. Most women who are against gay marriage (again, I said MOST, not all) aren't even really sure why they're against it other than because the bible told them so. Its a book. I will not take it as anything other than a book unless and until God himself/herself/their selves comes and tells me otherwise. I fully believe that God (whichever way you see him/her/them) loves unconditionally and doesn't have any grief with anyone being in love. The God I know is loving and does create such people to teach the rest of us acceptance and love. We're supposed to love everybody, not just those who are just like us. That would be the reason God makes gay people, so many different skin colors, and people with disabilities. We're supposed to learn to love and accept every single person we want to hate for being different. I oppose gay marrige, not for any other reason then my religious beliefs..I do not hate gay people or wish them harm..I believe that all Americans are guarenteed equal protection and rights according to our constitution..Now having said that, I am not sure what god you are talking about when you say that God is a god of love that teaches acceptance.. Unconditional love is a seperate issue to what you are referring to. But unconditional love does not mean that those he loves can do anything they want without reprocussions. The God of the Bible is a God of Love, Kindness, Forgiveness as well as a God of Wrath and Justness. We tend to highlight only the attributes that we know benifit us, and allow our conduct, but to not acknowledge the other attributes means that we don't comprehend His entirity. Gods word is complete and unchanged with time and just because we like to believe that it changes to meet our circumstances, doesn't mean that it is true. If you look at the Bible and how it deals with individuals and groups of people that live a life contrary to His will, he charges them to repent, and do not continue in the sin..Take the woman that was being stoned because she was a prostitue..Jesus stopped them because it was wrong to harm her, but told her that her sins were forgiven and go and do it no more..a clear indication of His intent and desire to live in His will..He did not treat her badly or wish her harm..but if she chose to live as a prostitue afterwards, then she would suffer Gods wrath..not mans..a pretty simple lession on how we should approach this subject.. this give your religion the right to protest gay marriage --------- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; --------- but passing a law any law passed on religion is in essence establishing said religion No.. it is not Christ that is protesting gay marriage. It is Politics with Power and Greed HiJacking Christianity. Christianity is prone to be hijacked, if you are a Rigid Legalist. A Christian with Strong Faith can question Why and will not follow blindly like a sheep. |
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I stated my opposition on the issue only, like I said, if laws are passed that give gay people the right to marry, then that is the law, there is no conflict with Christianity or Religion,in the sense that Christians do not dictate laws, worldly people can pass whatever laws they want, we are not forced to adhear to them, so there should be no conflict. but when congress passes equal protection laws, THEY try to regulate who and what they must perform. Take abortion, the plan B pills that kill an infant after conception..or possibly kill.. If you oppose abortion rights or anything to do with it, you are in violation of the fairness act, and are discrimminatory to those that seek the pills..law forces a religious person to do something that is against his religious belief by distributing something that their religious belief tells them is wrong..
In some cities, churches are forced to hire gay people because of discrimmination, that is a violation of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Who is really trying to restrict the rights of others. And the last time I checked, my forefathers, friends and family gave their life to protect yours and my right to protest things we don't agree with.. Under the guise of inclusion, gay right supporters are excluding christians and others that oppose it...is that right?? |
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I am not conforming to anyones political belief, it is those politicians that are trying to hyjack religious views and twist them to benifit their ideology.. I try to live my life as I am called to do, but does that mean that because I am a Christian I cannot have a point of view, even if it conflicts with others?? Isn't that hypocrocy at it's best??
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I stated my opposition on the issue only, like I said, if laws are passed that give gay people the right to marry, then that is the law, there is no conflict with Christianity or Religion,in the sense that Christians do not dictate laws, worldly people can pass whatever laws they want, we are not forced to adhear to them, so there should be no conflict. but when congress passes equal protection laws, THEY try to regulate who and what they must perform. Take abortion, the plan B pills that kill an infant after conception..or possibly kill.. If you oppose abortion rights or anything to do with it, you are in violation of the fairness act, and are discrimminatory to those that seek the pills..law forces a religious person to do something that is against his religious belief by distributing something that their religious belief tells them is wrong.. In some cities, churches are forced to hire gay people because of discrimmination, that is a violation of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Who is really trying to restrict the rights of others. And the last time I checked, my forefathers, friends and family gave their life to protect yours and my right to protest things we don't agree with.. Under the guise of inclusion, gay right supporters are excluding christians and others that oppose it...is that right?? |
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I am not conforming to anyones political belief, it is those politicians that are trying to hyjack religious views and twist them to benifit their ideology.. I try to live my life as I am called to do, but does that mean that because I am a Christian I cannot have a point of view, even if it conflicts with others?? Isn't that hypocrocy at it's best?? I am a Christian. I don't believe that I should force my views upon other people. I believe that religious beliefs should be kept out of politics. |
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I have noticed that most (not all, I said most) men who are against gay marriage some how make it sound like two men marrying threatens THEIR sexuality? Two men being in love does not do any harm to a straight man, especially since most gay men are respectful enough to not hit on someone unless they know they are gay. Although, they don't mind seeing two women go at it as long as said women are hot. Most women who are against gay marriage (again, I said MOST, not all) aren't even really sure why they're against it other than because the bible told them so. Its a book. I will not take it as anything other than a book unless and until God himself/herself/their selves comes and tells me otherwise. I fully believe that God (whichever way you see him/her/them) loves unconditionally and doesn't have any grief with anyone being in love. The God I know is loving and does create such people to teach the rest of us acceptance and love. We're supposed to love everybody, not just those who are just like us. That would be the reason God makes gay people, so many different skin colors, and people with disabilities. We're supposed to learn to love and accept every single person we want to hate for being different. I oppose gay marrige, not for any other reason then my religious beliefs..I do not hate gay people or wish them harm..I believe that all Americans are guarenteed equal protection and rights according to our constitution..Now having said that, I am not sure what god you are talking about when you say that God is a god of love that teaches acceptance.. Unconditional love is a seperate issue to what you are referring to. But unconditional love does not mean that those he loves can do anything they want without reprocussions. The God of the Bible is a God of Love, Kindness, Forgiveness as well as a God of Wrath and Justness. We tend to highlight only the attributes that we know benifit us, and allow our conduct, but to not acknowledge the other attributes means that we don't comprehend His entirity. Gods word is complete and unchanged with time and just because we like to believe that it changes to meet our circumstances, doesn't mean that it is true. If you look at the Bible and how it deals with individuals and groups of people that live a life contrary to His will, he charges them to repent, and do not continue in the sin..Take the woman that was being stoned because she was a prostitue..Jesus stopped them because it was wrong to harm her, but told her that her sins were forgiven and go and do it no more..a clear indication of His intent and desire to live in His will..He did not treat her badly or wish her harm..but if she chose to live as a prostitue afterwards, then she would suffer Gods wrath..not mans..a pretty simple lession on how we should approach this subject.. this give your religion the right to protest gay marriage --------- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; --------- but passing a law any law passed on religion is in essence establishing said religion No.. it is not Christ that is protesting gay marriage. It is Politics with Power and Greed HiJacking Christianity. Christianity is prone to be hijacked, if you are a Rigid Legalist. A Christian with Strong Faith can question Why and will not follow blindly like a sheep. could you explain where i said any particular religion and i do not consider christ a religion i consider christ a figure head of a religious belief system created and abused by man to control mankind (christianity) as are most religions |
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Edited by
Unknow
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I am not conforming to anyones political belief, it is those politicians that are trying to hyjack religious views and twist them to benifit their ideology.. I try to live my life as I am called to do, but does that mean that because I am a Christian I cannot have a point of view, even if it conflicts with others?? Isn't that hypocrocy at it's best?? |
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See this is what I am talking about too simple for some to understand....
I do not have the power to forgive or not to forgive them for divorce...that wasn't even mentioned... There is nothing that you have stated that has caused me to question my belief..you don't have that power to make me question my beliefs.. And as Winx stated, I do not belive that I should force my beliefs on you, and nothing I have said says that I do, but as Jesus threw out the money changer from the Church, he expressed his displeasure with those that did...am I not entitled to the same expression of opinion?? |
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See this is what I am talking about too simple for some to understand.... I do not have the power to forgive or not to forgive them for divorce...that wasn't even mentioned... There is nothing that you have stated that has caused me to question my belief..you don't have that power to make me question my beliefs.. And as Winx stated, I do not belive that I should force my beliefs on you, and nothing I have said says that I do, but as Jesus threw out the money changer from the Church, he expressed his displeasure with those that did...am I not entitled to the same expression of opinion?? |
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See this is what I am talking about too simple for some to understand.... I do not have the power to forgive or not to forgive them for divorce...that wasn't even mentioned... There is nothing that you have stated that has caused me to question my belief..you don't have that power to make me question my beliefs.. And as Winx stated, I do not belive that I should force my beliefs on you, and nothing I have said says that I do, but as Jesus threw out the money changer from the Church, he expressed his displeasure with those that did...am I not entitled to the same expression of opinion?? man can not forgive and are not supposed to judge thus anyone saying they are to be persecuted for a lifestyle they do not approve of are they not judging are they not as in the much in the wrong as those they judge is not a sin a sin where is the list of sins listed in order of severity |
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Ok here we go one more time..I brought up abortion as an expample of mans laws conflicting with Gods laws..only for that purpose
My churches stance on divorce is as the bible states..there are a few circumstances that allow divorce..cheating spouses is one of them..My pastor does not perform second marriges, he is not sure how God feels about remarriage and would rather fall on the safe side of the matter..he has a duty to adhere to the bible as close as possible. It doesn't matter if a person is married in the church by a pastor or priest, rabi, or married in an office by the justice of the peace..if you pledge yourself under the bonds of Holy Matrimony, then we believe in the eyes of God you are married...if your not...it is for Him to deal with not mine. And your last statement, I didn't say that my interpretation was the right one, I stated that it was my belief.. |
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Ok here we go one more time..I brought up abortion as an expample of mans laws conflicting with Gods laws..only for that purpose My churches stance on divorce is as the bible states..there are a few circumstances that allow divorce..cheating spouses is one of them..My pastor does not perform second marriges, he is not sure how God feels about remarriage and would rather fall on the safe side of the matter..he has a duty to adhere to the bible as close as possible. It doesn't matter if a person is married in the church by a pastor or priest, rabi, or married in an office by the justice of the peace..if you pledge yourself under the bonds of Holy Matrimony, then we believe in the eyes of God you are married...if your not...it is for Him to deal with not mine. And your last statement, I didn't say that my interpretation was the right one, I stated that it was my belief.. |
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