No one said anything about getting marriage in Your church. With your beleifs I dam sure wouldn't want to. Marriages happen everywhere not just in a church and are performed by member not of a church. Keep your holier than others feelings. %60 of marriages end in divorce. How many Christians have multi able marriages? So leave the sacred thing at the door!!! To pay a church to be forgiven for a sin is the most hypocritical thing there is. marriage is such a church institution!!! Im good with my god and that's all that matters to me. I will not judge others!!! If you think you have that right in your bible please continue to do so!!!

I agree with you and you disagree with me doing so?? I do not agree with the Catholic chruch making people to pay for annulments or anything..I just said that if it IS IMPORTANT TO YOU, to get married there, then you will have to do what they requrire...If you don't want to get married there or anyother place, it should not be important to you.. I do not agree with mulitple marriages, but people do, so that is their right to believe in that..

Obviously you didn't read what I wrote...or did read it and choose to ignore what I was saying..Did you read the part about judgement?? or is it that you cannot debate well enough to get your point across without making inaccurate statements about them or name calling?? I have each and every time answered your assumptions and questions and you continue to accuse me of not answering them...because you don't like the answer doesn't mean I didn't answer them from MY prospective..

Oh and for the record, If people want to get married somewhere besides the chruch, more power to them,if they want to get married by a judge or one of those online pay for the right to perform marriges..great..whatever works for you..that will proably upset you too though..

No it wouldnt. All I want to hear is they have the right to get married. Im mean is that so wrong!!! Im sure they wouldnt not want to get married in a place they are not welcome anyway. I have not heard one say that is their intention!!

I have stated that from the very beginning of my postings..I oppose any law that would require chruches to perform gay marriges if they chose not to, and in some states..like mine, they are trying to force chruches to hire people that oppose the chruch teachings..But if people in this country can get enough people to support gay marriage..go for it, but you can't even get people that don't go to church to support it...in California they are all up in arms about Morman people spending their money against the proposition..where is the outcry against the African American community and the Hispanic communities that overwhelmingly opposed the proposition?? Not happening..lets be fair and equal in our protestations..

Here's my thoughts and believe it is the way it was meant to be. No business, non profit or any church should be allowed to be involve in any policy decision making. No donations, no nothing. That would give your vote and my vote the power it was intended to have. The election process should be equal to all. No contributions to campaigns at all. Every candidate has equal ways to put out their message, equal airtime and so forth. Term limits on all elected positions Federal, state and local!!

Prop 8 did not require churches to conduct gay marriages.

I never said they did, I said that I don't care what laws they pass, for or against gay marriage, as long as they don't force their idiology on the church.. you must not have read the previous postings.

I posted that for those that thought it did.

Just to be clear.

I would add too, it says nothing about the schools!!! It is not being taught in the schools. If it is you control them and have a right to pull your child out. If you think something you disagree with is being taught. GET INVOLVED... There's a thread on here about what Sara P wants taught in the schools. Schools are a local issue not a national one. She can not tell you what is to be taught your child. She might have some say in BumF...Alaska but in my school she doesnt!!

Sorry, I thought that you were talking to me...how arrogant of me!! ooopps, anyway...

Atheism is Not an Ideology, unless things have changed. It's futile to try to change an organization that is unwilling to change much less consider other possibilities.

Is Atheism an Ism? Atheism is No Religion, Philosophy, Ideology, Belief System

http://atheism.about.com/od/definitionofatheism/p/AtheismReligion.htm

Interesting reading, if any atheist in this topic feels it is inaccurate, would appreciate a comment, other wise, I posted this link due to the comment that atheism was considered an ideolgy by another poster.

the inaccuracy is """only the congress can pass a law giving you the same rights as me and others """

congress needs not to pass a law to give equal rights

they can only pass laws to take them away

and then they should be struck down

and until some one has a non religious anti gay marriage argument that is not based in religion they have that right

to pass a law passed only on a religious argument is in effect establishing that religion

and anyone that says they care not what laws are passed will change their mind when they start infringing on your rights

democracy is the wants of the majority trampling the rights of the minority

and the u s is not a democracy by the way it is a republic with many other types govts (virus') as subplots

I thinks it's just insane that gays can not get married.
To me it's the same thing as saying mixed races can't get married.
It's still a form of discrimination.
It seems the only ones that are haveing a hard time with this are the religious.

No, I don't think that. I'm sure that there are others who don't make their opinions known because the voice of the religious is loud enough for the time being. They will crawl out of the woodwork eventually.

Your probably right.
But I think that there are far less non-religious people that are aganst it.
I personaly have not met any.

A lot of people just like to hide their prejudice, they will not state it publicly, but if it comes to voting, things are a lot different because it's anonymous.

Having run forums for many years now, I have found that people will often email me their real thoughts but will not post them to the forum out of fear they will be labeled gay themselves.

Straight guys some times worry they will be confused for gay men if they say they would vote for gay marriage, and some straight women fear being labeled as well. It's sad really.

The vote in California says little to me, the Christians came out deliberately at the request of their pastors, other straights who just don't like gays? well they were no surprise. But there are others who don't vote at all, that would have voted not on a ban, so there is no really good statistic on this issue.

Both sides wish the outcome had been different for two different reasons.

Those with the courage to post their views for gay marriage while being straight are a rare. I have neighbors that completely accept that I am gay but when caught off balance will say that marriage should not be allowed. When they realize what they said I think it even stuns some of them.

Much of what is believed about gay is so conditioned into people they often don't know what they think.

This is very true. But there are always those who pretend that they have nothing against gay people, and when they think they are in the right company come out and say that they think absolutely different. Sometimes it's very hard to make out their real thoughts, but in a lot of cases, when you listen carefully, they are as prejudiced and judgmental as any of these oh so good Christians.