Topic: I have learned.....
LAMom's photo
Wed 12/17/08 10:56 AM


Ted Kennedy-----money out the wahzoo, upper class family, very wealthy for generations........no class.


I totally agree, but I also believe that without wealth you can't be seen as having class.


I think you just need a Hug

((((( Big oleeeeeeeeeee Hug )))))

flowerforyou

squonk's photo
Wed 12/17/08 10:57 AM

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh and I just learned that my Cinnnammoonn role with melting ooozinggggggggggggggg butter and icinggggggggg taste so good with my fresh cup of tea,.bigsmile


I have also learned this past year that when some tells you they Love you,, It does not mean they are in love with you
Damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn that was a hard lesson





Uhm there are a few different types of love but uhm if you go from lover to friend then they didn't love at all.

LAMom's photo
Wed 12/17/08 10:58 AM

I've learned -
That just because someone doesn't love you the way you want them to doesn't mean they don't love you with all they have.


I've learned

That the Love of a Soul in the past is greater than the Love of the present,,,

I am learning

scoundrel's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:04 AM


Hmmmmmmmm me thinks one day, when the money is gone and its just "you" in the real world, you may come across a few people with real "class".

You know, those people who are THERE for YOU when the ones with money turn their back on you.


What you guys think is expensive I laugh at not because I personally know what it's like to burn that money but because my family did burn that money.


Squonk, there is obviously a difference of desire attached to the communications here. I know that you are being perfectly clear, and unemotional, about explaining class in respect to the "old money" wealth, and the systems of behavior that it teaches via family and such. "Culture" is in that class, inherently so. It is an experience in itself, and quite carefully kept separate from the "classiness" that the "unwashed masses" are taken to admiring. Uninitiated persons have no idea that there is a different (yet honorable)value system than their own televised popularity or their shining examples of moral classiness in impoverished circumstances.
You, I am sure, understand the critical link in the history of worldwide development/maturing of cultures that was birthed by the wealthy class, and the mimicking of a few traits of members of that class by the pretentious but impoverished people. They, on the other hand, do not and can not see into the opposite spectrum, and have always put down the heirarchy as their normal human need to establish codes of class-conduct for each tier of society.
Both viewpoints are correct. IMO

franshade's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:04 AM
I've learned -
That it isn't always enough to be forgiven by others.
Sometimes you are to learn to forgive yourself.

elwoodsully's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:05 AM
I have learned that my head is lumpy... tears shocked

eileena9's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:08 AM

I have learned that my head is lumpy... tears shocked




rofl rofl rofl rofl

That's cuz Laura hit it!! Good seeing you, Sully!!flowerforyou drinker

no photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:08 AM
I've learned that if you try to define "class" then you prolly don't have it

no photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:10 AM
I have learned that some people I work with will never, ever get how to do things correctly.

joad's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:11 AM
... the hard way. repeatedly.

elwoodsully's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:17 AM


I have learned that my head is lumpy... tears shocked




rofl rofl rofl rofl

That's cuz Laura hit it!! Good seeing you, Sully!!flowerforyou drinker


Great to see you too, Girly gurl. No, she didn't hit it, it's been like this due to years of being in the work I've been in. I just never noticed cuz of the hair in the way...lol

squonk's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:19 AM
I am not sure I follow the whole critical link of cultures worldwide thing.

I am having difficulty explaining it though. I don't exactly know how to to be perfectly honest. I just know that there are certain characteristics that aren't taken in by that type of class based on just how they treat their employees, their live in maids, etc. However, it's that treatment that got them to where they're and made plenty of other people in this world also succeed.

My family didn't start out as the most prominant american dreamer, but certainly became one during the depression. While CEO's were flying out windows, my family was turning their business into an empire. It's hard to put into words what class is but know this, no girl I've ever dated would've survived a dinner with my relatives without me helping her. It's really wierd to be surrounded by people who you may not like based on their behavior but must respect at the sametime? Like in most families I've seen, I've heard screaming and crazyness and vulgar language none of that exists where I come from. If you do any of that or disgrace yourself and the family name, you're just banished from being in the presence of them. In other words, you become the commoner once again. A significant other can also cause this as is the case with some families but in ours it's quite different. Like I said, it's just something that is really hard to put into words because it's just normal to me.

No1sLove's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:19 AM
Edited by No1sLove on Wed 12/17/08 11:50 AM



I've never heard of someone having class when they wear ripped jeans. I've never heard of someone wearing jeans and having class.

Behavior is a small fraction I think even though the dictionary says and behavior.
I'm so sorry to hear that you've been hanging around all the wrong people. If your friends have to put a suit and tie on to remind themselves how to behave and treat others, then they have only been trained how to "act" like they have class.

I've known many people in my life, who lived monogrammed lives but that don't exude the weakest link of anything close to class. I have also known people that somehow, while living in torn jeans, display outstanding life etiquette on a daily basis as natural as instinct itself.

Being born into a "class", does not guarantee a person will inherit CLASS. It's like dressing for dinner...it doesn't make you nice, it simply makes you look nice. Nice comes from within, as does Class. flowerforyou


It's got nothing to do with friends, it has everything to do with family. My friends don't come from the upper echelon, my family does.

Sitting down to dinner with the governor... I don't see how a governor compares to to a billionaire. I mean they're elected officials and do impose laws on citizens and are in the spotlight and possibly national spotlight but I'm not so positive that every governor has class. I don't think of them as upper echelon. They have power to some degree but not enough and certainly not as much as someone who works outside of the us gov't. They might live in a nice house but it's by no means king like.
I thought you were referring to any individual donning jeans and...not just your family. Levi Srauss will be sorely disappointed to hear that your family is too classy to support their empire, I'm sure.

You'll have to forgive me for disagreeing with you, my perception is a bit skewed. I am only a Levi clad hillbilly myself, and don't understand a thing about the class you speak of.


longhairbiker's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:25 AM
I think my ass itches when I don't bathe enough.

no photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:27 AM




I've never heard of someone having class when they wear ripped jeans. I've never heard of someone wearing jeans and having class.

Behavior is a small fraction I think even though the dictionary says and behavior.
I'm so sorry to hear that you've been hanging around all the wrong people. If your friends have to put a suit and tie on to remind themselves how to behave and treat others, then they have only been trained how to "act" like they have class.

I've known many people in my life, who lived monogrammed lives but that don't exude the weakest link of anything close to class. I have also known people that somehow, while living in torn jeans, display outstanding life etiquette on a daily basis as natural as instinct itself.

Being born into a "class", does not guarantee a person will inherit CLASS. It's like dressing for dinner...it doesn't make you nice, it simply makes you look nice. Nice comes from within, as does Class. flowerforyou


It's got nothing to do with friends, it has everything to do with family. My friends don't come from the upper echelon, my family does.

Sitting down to dinner with the governor... I don't see how a governor compares to to a billionaire. I mean they're elected officials and do impose laws on citizens and are in the spotlight and possibly national spotlight but I'm not so positive that every governor has class. I don't think of them as upper echelon. They have power to some degree but not enough and certainly not as much as someone who works outside of the us gov't. They might live in a nice house but it's by no means king like.
I thought you were referring to any individual donning jeans and...not just your family. Levi Srauss will be sorely disappointed to hear that your family is too classy to support their empire, I'm sure.

You'll have to forgive me for disagreeing with you, my perception is a bit skewed. I am only a Levi clad hillbilly myself, and don't understand a thing about the class you speak of.

That's ok with me, since I was raised with


Wranglers are better

squonk's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:32 AM
Levi's survived after the initial developper died. Also because of the patent.

franshade's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:44 AM

I've learned -
That you shouldn't be so eager to find out a secret. It could change your life forever.

No1sLove's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:50 AM
Edited by No1sLove on Wed 12/17/08 12:19 PM

I am not sure I follow the whole critical link of cultures worldwide thing.

I am having difficulty explaining it though. I don't exactly know how to to be perfectly honest. I just know that there are certain characteristics that aren't taken in by that type of class based on just how they treat their employees, their live in maids, etc. However, it's that treatment that got them to where they're and made plenty of other people in this world also succeed.

My family didn't start out as the most prominant american dreamer, but certainly became one during the depression. While CEO's were flying out windows, my family was turning their business into an empire. It's hard to put into words what class is but know this, no girl I've ever dated would've survived a dinner with my relatives without me helping her. It's really wierd to be surrounded by people who you may not like based on their behavior but must respect at the sametime? Like in most families I've seen, I've heard screaming and crazyness and vulgar language none of that exists where I come from. If you do any of that or disgrace yourself and the family name, you're just banished from being in the presence of them. In other words, you become the commoner once again. A significant other can also cause this as is the case with some families but in ours it's quite different. Like I said, it's just something that is really hard to put into words because it's just normal to me.
Believe it or not, there are "commoners" who do not use foul language, who know how to show respect to their families and others and operate within the boundaries of extremely high moral standards. It has everything to do with their own moral fiber, how they value themselves and others, and the manner in which they were raised...and little to do with the manner of their dress, or the girth of their portfolio.

I have had the experience of living in more than one social class, and have seen no correlation between the amount of rooms in a house and how those within it's walls conduct themselves. Yes, your depiction of class is indeed a perceptive of where you sit, and means something different to each and every social, economic and academic class, but most think of your version of class, simply as a higher etiquette standard adopted by the wealthy elite because they have time to dress for dinner etc. Those of us who find ourselves lacking a nanny and kitchen staff find it difficult to do so...but we do not see ourselves as being without class because of it, we simply perceive class as something that relates to our own lives.

This is as it should be since most definitions of the word class all relate the same thing, and that is simply a division by grade or quality. Class in it's most general meaning is the best of a kind. That being said, the kind of class that refers to the way we treat one another is universal and spans all other classes. No? I think we can agree on this at the very least.

no photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:54 AM
I have learned to be thankful that God did not answer all my prayers

longhairbiker's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:54 AM
But I learned that whatever situation you may be placed in whether it be class, culture, religion, ethnic background, politics, or sexual preference....we are all human. People change. We are the only creatures on this planet that can control our own destiny but kill our own kind. Just because I was born into royalty, was well educated, well cultured, and worked hard to exceed expectations doesn't mean I have to live that way in my life. I'm quite the opposite. I'm a black sheep rebel who wants to be experienced in all aspects of life and learning. And I am. I feel sorry for society elitists. They are the ones sheltered by their own class. They are limited in their experiences. I feel blessed in being able to celebrate my freedoms and not being lonely and being able to share and love with the whole world. From buying old used wheelchairs out of the paper and sending them to the augustinian missionaries to helping underpriveledged children in my area by taking them on group motorcycle rides to volunteering time at hospitals and shelters to traveling the world and sharing and learning with others. My time last year with the tibetan monks will be remembered forever. My journeys unforgettable. I'd rather have them than be forced into a class. I may never be accused of having any class- ppppppffffftttttt!!! Excuse me I farted, but I wouldn't trade my life, my adventures, my 3 and a half million miles of travels, and my freinds and family for anything. Live. Love. Share.