Topic: I have learned.....
franshade's photo
Wed 12/17/08 05:50 AM




Money doesn't buy class? Psh I don't what universe you're from, but if you have wealth you're brought up much differently than the common middle class. The upper echelon tier has certain requirements to be around and act accordingly these are fundamental principles that are taught from the beginning of your life.
perhaps...but then again, maybe you should get a better definition of what class is!!!!


I happen to agree, I think they need to check there definition of class.


So I conferred with the dictionary just to be sure that I wasn't mistaking the word for what I assumed it was. After reading the term in the dictionary I stand by exactly what I said.

It isn't suitable in my family not to be dressed up in proper attire at all times while being around my family. There is no sweatpants, there is no sweaters or cheap jackets. It's a suit and tie plus the jacket for all men worn with leather shoes not sneakers. This goes for dinner, breakfast, lunch, sitting in their home. When you sit your back shall be erect not slouching. When you eat you shall eat with the proper utensils, you will not slurp, no elbows are ever to be on the table, etc.

Suit and tie is a must look at the picture in my profile, I was getting ready to be with my family.

If you have ever watched the movie A League of their own, the girls who go trough the training to become baseball stars in the league had to sit through classes to be taught how to act around the upper echelon of society.

The only time it is acceptable to be in casual wear is if you're going to a public place like a zoo, or an amusement park. Everything else is always formal attire.

I'd go on but clearly you either didn't understand what I meant or you didn't grow up the way I did. My family isn't a typical American family. They belong to a higher class of people than a typical American. I consider myself a typical American with the background of a family in the upper tier.


You feel the way you dress, sit and act is a proof of class?

I have known many a poor person who have had more class, than those from the upper echelon. (as you so eloquently put it) and it had nothing to do with their clothing nor the way they sat on a chair. jmo

Just because one person has more does not mean they have the best (jmo)

PATSFAN's photo
Wed 12/17/08 05:51 AM
That I will never be richfrown

choclablover's photo
Wed 12/17/08 05:57 AM
Perception of class is changed with silver spoon in mouth:wink:

choclablover's photo
Wed 12/17/08 05:58 AM





Money doesn't buy class? Psh I don't what universe you're from, but if you have wealth you're brought up much differently than the common middle class. The upper echelon tier has certain requirements to be around and act accordingly these are fundamental principles that are taught from the beginning of your life.
perhaps...but then again, maybe you should get a better definition of what class is!!!!


I happen to agree, I think they need to check there definition of class.




So I conferred with the dictionary just to be sure that I wasn't mistaking the word for what I assumed it was. After reading the term in the dictionary I stand by exactly what I said.

It isn't suitable in my family not to be dressed up in proper attire at all times while being around my family. There is no sweatpants, there is no sweaters or cheap jackets. It's a suit and tie plus the jacket for all men worn with leather shoes not sneakers. This goes for dinner, breakfast, lunch, sitting in their home. When you sit your back shall be erect not slouching. When you eat you shall eat with the proper utensils, you will not slurp, no elbows are ever to be on the table, etc.

Suit and tie is a must look at the picture in my profile, I was getting ready to be with my family.

If you have ever watched the movie A League of their own, the girls who go trough the training to become baseball stars in the league had to sit through classes to be taught how to act around the upper echelon of society.

The only time it is acceptable to be in casual wear is if you're going to a public place like a zoo, or an amusement park. Everything else is always formal attire.

I'd go on but clearly you either didn't understand what I meant or you didn't grow up the way I did. My family isn't a typical American family. They belong to a higher class of people than a typical American. I consider myself a typical American with the background of a family in the upper tier.


You feel the way you dress, sit and act is a proof of class?

I have known many a poor person who have had more class, than those from the upper echelon. (as you so eloquently put it) and it had nothing to do with their clothing nor the way they sat on a chair. jmo

Just because one person has more does not mean they have the best (jmo)


What she said

DHinkle's photo
Wed 12/17/08 06:10 AM






Money doesn't buy class? Psh I don't what universe you're from, but if you have wealth you're brought up much differently than the common middle class. The upper echelon tier has certain requirements to be around and act accordingly these are fundamental principles that are taught from the beginning of your life.
perhaps...but then again, maybe you should get a better definition of what class is!!!!


I happen to agree, I think they need to check there definition of class.




So I conferred with the dictionary just to be sure that I wasn't mistaking the word for what I assumed it was. After reading the term in the dictionary I stand by exactly what I said.

It isn't suitable in my family not to be dressed up in proper attire at all times while being around my family. There is no sweatpants, there is no sweaters or cheap jackets. It's a suit and tie plus the jacket for all men worn with leather shoes not sneakers. This goes for dinner, breakfast, lunch, sitting in their home. When you sit your back shall be erect not slouching. When you eat you shall eat with the proper utensils, you will not slurp, no elbows are ever to be on the table, etc.

Suit and tie is a must look at the picture in my profile, I was getting ready to be with my family.

If you have ever watched the movie A League of their own, the girls who go trough the training to become baseball stars in the league had to sit through classes to be taught how to act around the upper echelon of society.

The only time it is acceptable to be in casual wear is if you're going to a public place like a zoo, or an amusement park. Everything else is always formal attire.

I'd go on but clearly you either didn't understand what I meant or you didn't grow up the way I did. My family isn't a typical American family. They belong to a higher class of people than a typical American. I consider myself a typical American with the background of a family in the upper tier.


You feel the way you dress, sit and act is a proof of class?

I have known many a poor person who have had more class, than those from the upper echelon. (as you so eloquently put it) and it had nothing to do with their clothing nor the way they sat on a chair. jmo

Just because one person has more does not mean they have the best (jmo)


What she said


there are two definitions to class there are classes of people on monitary value (which its shallow to say that because ur in a higher class that u automatically have more class), then there is class they didnt say high middle or low class, simply class, wich is determined by the way the person presents themselves, not in looks or how they dress but in how they act so wen someone said it depends on ur definition of class they meant they were talkin bout the other definition!!!

squonk's photo
Wed 12/17/08 06:27 AM
When was the last time you were benevolent? What did you do?

I've never heard of class being used to regard most of what you said. Compassion eh I'm tossed about this one, gentility I agree with, benevolent definately agree with, humility I disagree with...

What some may see as rich, I may not. What I see as rich is Bill Gates, Donald Trump. These are rich, these are upper echelon.

Middle class varies significantly nowadays especially because of women in the workforce. What used to be a substantial living for the upper echelon class was a direct result of only one person working, now it is both working. It wasn't always so.

When your name carries merit such as a Kennedy for instance, you're looked at quite differently than the ordinary person. This doesn't mean that you're above or below someone else it's just the way things are. Born into it, raised in it, adopted into it, it truly doesn't matter, what matters is once you're there habits which may have been a custom to previous engagements in your life no longer exist in the presence of these people. Your behavior is dictated by your environment at least from my standpoint and experience. This doesn't mean that the bum on the street isn't nicer than these people. I never said the upper echelon are nice people or kind or filled with humility. You said the word class not I, all I did was fill in my perspective of it. Just because a football player is granted a lot of money to play football doesn't mean he has class. Just because a girl grew up in front of the tv camera to sing doesn't mean she is fit to lead a child's life, or to be accepted into high society.

Money isn't the only importance. Everyone can make money, everyone can have money, but it doesn't mean you're at their level or have the background that they do. You may feel humble in their presence but I guarentee Donald Trump doesn't get Humble around too many people if any. It doesn't mean that they're courteous to every single person alive, they have butlers and employees and maids. The employees aren't treated as people but rather as indentured servants to a certain extent. I can say this because I know of one, she's my godmother the maid to my mother, her 3 brothers and her sister. SHe's the sweetest lady I've ever met in my life, to me she's more important to this world than mother theresa was, however, she didn't have class. She had the title of maid, caregiver. That is all she ever was to my grandmother and grandfather, but she was much more to the children.

Mannerisms that are taught are much different than a normal family. I'd go on but I don't really know how to explain the things I've seen and encountered. To family and the upper echelon of society you act a certain way but to those not seen as such, are dismissed casually or un casually depending on the person whom you're speaking about. I am speaking just about class and how it is interpreted through me. Sorry if I bored you.


squonk's photo
Wed 12/17/08 06:45 AM
I've never heard of someone having class when they wear ripped jeans. I've never heard of someone wearing jeans and having class.

Behavior is a small fraction I think even though the dictionary says and behavior.

franshade's photo
Wed 12/17/08 06:54 AM

I've never heard of someone having class when they wear ripped jeans. I've never heard of someone wearing jeans and having class.

Behavior is a small fraction I think even though the dictionary says and behavior.


That maybe because you a comparing attire with action.

To me (sorry if I bore you) class is not a station in life, class is what one does with one's life.

One can be dressed in ripped jeans, t-shirt and dirty sneakers, while another can be dressed in a business suit, wingtip shoes and have a fresh haircut. All that is is the wrapping or outer layer, as they can easily swap clothing.

A person's soul, a person's actions, the way a person treats others, the way a person gives of him/herself, those are things that give a person class in my eyes. (jmo) Not what they wear.


justme659's photo
Wed 12/17/08 06:59 AM

I've never heard of someone having class when they wear ripped jeans. I've never heard of someone wearing jeans and having class.

Behavior is a small fraction I think even though the dictionary says and behavior.


Mother Theresa had more class then most people and never had a dime to her name. And she only wore a habit, not suits and or dress shoes. Same for Ghandi. At a point in their lives they were afforded more attenion and respect than others that made more money and attained more status.

Like the sentence states....She had more class in her little pinkey than anyone I know. Making fun of the upper crusts habit of raising the pinkey while holding a cup or glass.

What every one is trying to say is that, just because you have money and know what shoes to wear to a certian occasion, that doesnt mean you are a classy person.

no photo
Wed 12/17/08 07:07 AM




Money doesn't buy class? Psh I don't what universe you're from, but if you have wealth you're brought up much differently than the common middle class. The upper echelon tier has certain requirements to be around and act accordingly these are fundamental principles that are taught from the beginning of your life.
perhaps...but then again, maybe you should get a better definition of what class is!!!!


I happen to agree, I think they need to check there definition of class.


So I conferred with the dictionary just to be sure that I wasn't mistaking the word for what I assumed it was. After reading the term in the dictionary I stand by exactly what I said.

It isn't suitable in my family not to be dressed up in proper attire at all times while being around my family. There is no sweatpants, there is no sweaters or cheap jackets. It's a suit and tie plus the jacket for all men worn with leather shoes not sneakers. This goes for dinner, breakfast, lunch, sitting in their home. When you sit your back shall be erect not slouching. When you eat you shall eat with the proper utensils, you will not slurp, no elbows are ever to be on the table, etc.

Suit and tie is a must look at the picture in my profile, I was getting ready to be with my family.

If you have ever watched the movie A League of their own, the girls who go trough the training to become baseball stars in the league had to sit through classes to be taught how to act around the upper echelon of society.

The only time it is acceptable to be in casual wear is if you're going to a public place like a zoo, or an amusement park. Everything else is always formal attire.

I'd go on but clearly you either didn't understand what I meant or you didn't grow up the way I did. My family isn't a typical American family. They belong to a higher class of people than a typical American. I consider myself a typical American with the background of a family in the upper tier.




Class isn't just about what you wear. People can dress in a classy manner, yet not have the classy attitude to go along with it. Money can't buy that.

squonk's photo
Wed 12/17/08 07:14 AM
The problem is you're using an incorrect statement, I've never heard of such a thing. It doesn't exist in the dictionary either. So I'm lost and until you're able to give a better definition which doesn't exist for a term and definition that does I must stand by what I said.

Just because you have some preconceived notion that a person has class doesn't mean that your reasons are right.

For example you said mother theresa. Mother Theresa was respected by the upper echelon, she was welcome just like my godmother is now welcome to being more than just a maid/caregiver. She earned her title through her dedicated years of service to our family.

You mentioned ghandi and ghandi is again well respected by the upper echelon in some view or another. You're giving people who were accepted by the class system even though they were in a different caste system. They broke through barriers and transcended from one to another. Just because you start as a nobody doesn't mean you won't be recognized later in life. These 2 were recognized for their deeds to this world, were respected. You can't say that the thankful bum at the local dunkin donuts is revered in the same light as ghandi.

no photo
Wed 12/17/08 07:18 AM
You're defining class as social standing.

Some of us are talking about one's ability to be classy.


Main Entry:
classy Listen to the pronunciation of classy
Pronunciation:
\ˈkla-sē\
Function:
adjective
Inflected Form(s):
class·i·er; class·i·est
Date:
1891

: having or showing class: as a: elegant , stylish <a classy clientele> b: having or reflecting high standards of personal behavior <a classy guy> <a classy gesture> c: admirably skillful and graceful <a classy outfielder>

DragonFlyTat's photo
Wed 12/17/08 07:18 AM
when you think you have your closet organized someone (my daughters) comes in and raids it and there I go again.

squonk's photo
Wed 12/17/08 07:29 AM

You're defining class as social standing.

Some of us are talking about one's ability to be classy.


Main Entry:
classy Listen to the pronunciation of classy
Pronunciation:
\ˈkla-sē\
Function:
adjective
Inflected Form(s):
class·i·er; class·i·est
Date:
1891

: having or showing class: as a: elegant , stylish <a classy clientele> b: having or reflecting high standards of personal behavior <a classy guy> <a classy gesture> c: admirably skillful and graceful <a classy outfielder>


dictionary.com says different but if we were to go by what that says which is B I'm guessing. What is high standards of personal behavior? Who's standards do these apply to? How are they judged? By who are they judged? The classy gesture statement I could see obviously sticking up the middle finger wouldn't be classy but what is this classy guy? I don't see it from the definition and nowhere does it explain it in the verbage of which it is used.


no photo
Wed 12/17/08 07:31 AM
Probably because there is no set definition on how to be classy.

LAMom's photo
Wed 12/17/08 07:37 AM
**Life has taken me in many different directions lately, at times not really knowing exactly where it is I am going,
Yet I believe ****************
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I need to be.

I've learned that one can not live for his ego

I've learned that My children are stronger than I thought

I've learned that through sickness come enlightment, and maybe some scars need to be seen

I've learned that Life is awesome and living in the moment can be zippittyyyyy dodaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa fantastic

I've learned that I am still learning

I've learned that my imperfections are perfect for me

I've learned how to love me again,,, now that was enlighting



no photo
Wed 12/17/08 07:42 AM
My mother was a widow with 4 children, living on social security. We were taught proper posture & manners, correct English & how to dress properly for any occasion. We did not eat breakfast in our pajamas, if we had been out playing we washed up & if nessasary changed before dinner. No one picked up thier fork until my mother sat down, & no one left until she excused them. If we had guests for dinner we dressed properly down to the shoes.

I never knew we were poor until I grew up. My mother was poor but she had the dignity of old Tidewater Virginia. I tried to pass this to my daughter,and although I was never as strict as my mother,when she was invited to have dinner at the state house and meet the governer I knew she was prepared for it. No last minute coaching was needed,she was comfortable in any situation.

Squonk, you may associate that kind of class with money, but to present it in the manner you have on a site of "common people" proves you really do not understand at all.

no photo
Wed 12/17/08 07:53 AM
Wolf, please accept my appoligy for being off topic.

franshade's photo
Wed 12/17/08 07:56 AM

I've learned-
That you cannot make someone love you.
All you can do is be someone who can be loved.
The rest is up to them.

I've learned -
That no matter how much I care,
Some people just don't care back.

I've learned -
That it takes years to build up trust,
And only seconds to destroy it.

I've learned -
That it's not what you have in your life
But who you have in your life that counts

justme659's photo
Wed 12/17/08 08:26 AM

My mother was a widow with 4 children, living on social security. We were taught proper posture & manners, correct English & how to dress properly for any occasion. We did not eat breakfast in our pajamas, if we had been out playing we washed up & if nessasary changed before dinner. No one picked up thier fork until my mother sat down, & no one left until she excused them. If we had guests for dinner we dressed properly down to the shoes.

I never knew we were poor until I grew up. My mother was poor but she had the dignity of old Tidewater Virginia. I tried to pass this to my daughter,and although I was never as strict as my mother,when she was invited to have dinner at the state house and meet the governer I knew she was prepared for it. No last minute coaching was needed,she was comfortable in any situation.

Squonk, you may associate that kind of class with money, but to present it in the manner you have on a site of "common people" proves you really do not understand at all.



And he never will understand. So I for one will stop trying to educate. A closed mind is like a sealed box, rather useless because you cant put any thing in or get any thing out.