I totally agree with you on this MS and I do believe that organized religion causes many of these problems so that would not be limiting it to Christianity. ANY fundamentalist faction has the potential to reek havoc on a society at large because any one person can choose to utilize it in whatever manner he so desires as was the case with Adolph Hitler. He just happened to use Catholicism as a means of furthering his genocidal agenda and he also used it to successfully promote antisemitic hostilities and to further create a rift between Christians and Jews.

sigh

To get back on topic. To say that "some people insist on proving that there is no creator" seems a little silly in my opinion. Something like that can simply not be proven one way or another. "Creator" is extremely broad. What does the OP mean by that exactly? Intelligent Design? I am a firm believer in the concept of Evolutionary Biology as the actual origin of human life but that is not in direct conflict with the possibility of a "creator" being behind it or using evolution to bring the various life forms into existence.

I simply do not accept that the Christian description of god was involved. I am entitled to that view just as someone else has the right to believe in the biblical account found in Genesis. Whats the big deal here?

The way I understood the question, the OP was referring to God but perhaps I'm off on that.

As to your answer, it's a good one and you are entitled to your opinion, as we all are, I believe. However, as I'm sure you know, there are those who want to shove their opinion and belief down others' throats. The question is, why? What difference does it make to them personally what others believe or don't believe? Does it affect their life, their world, does it threaten their own belief system to have others believe something different?

Anyway, that was my understanding of the original question

Well yeah, he probably meant the biblical god which I dont buy into yet I have that right. I think I am simply annoyed that we all seem to assume it's the Christian god. But thats neither here nor there. There is no way to conclusively prove or disprove something like that.

Even the Roman Catholic church from my understanding has publicly announced that they are at peace with the notion of evolutionary biology because it does not interfere with their beliefs at all.

If someone wants to find that, be my guest but I know Ive heard it because a friend of mine on this site is a Roman Catholic and he accepts the notion of evolution.

Its silly.

Yeah, it is silly.

There are grains of truth in what everyone adds to the conversation... Whether we consider ourselves Christian, Muslim, Agnostic, Gnostic, Jew, Atheist or any other "thing".

Could there be a forgotten collective consciousness in which we ALL live? Perhaps the tendency of only seeing one's individual tree and not the entire forest leads to greater separation.

When one most uses memory to focus on the wrongs done in the past, how effective can one be at shifting into happiness today?

"MartyMark" ..aren't you yourself displaying a perfect example of narcissistic behavior by assuming that you have the answer that there is a creator but have no proof beyond your own mind and/or faith that there is a creator but yet lament that no one should question otherwise

His response will be a great big tell that this is Ark you're talking to.

sounds almost narcissistic