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Topic: why do some people try to prove that there is no creator?
quiet_2008 Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 11138	Mon 12/01/08 08:49 AM Edited by quiet_2008 on Mon 12/01/08 08:50 AM
I didn't say they DO take anything away. I said they feel the need to don't draw conclusions based on one comment from someone you don't know. You might embarrass yourself with erroneous assumptions

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Mon 12/01/08 08:54 AM
I didn't say they DO take anything away. I said they feel the need to don't draw conclusions based on one comment from someone you don't know. You might embarrass yourself with erroneous assumptions No assumptions about "you". If one takes the "you" out of the statement, perhaps one may be able to consider the logic. Is it possible that this last reaction/statement could suggest an acted upon need to feel superior?

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Mon 12/01/08 08:56 AM Edited by splendidlife on Mon 12/01/08 08:57 AM
If we could take the "I" out of all statements posted and break them down to simplest terms, could we not see common patterns of behavior that we all exhibit (this poster included)?

quiet_2008 Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 11138	Mon 12/01/08 08:56 AM Edited by quiet_2008 on Mon 12/01/08 08:56 AM
all this because of an observation I made? do you really want to try and get in my head? It's a scary and dangerous neighborhood in there

SuzinVA Joined Wed 04/25/07 Posts: 28730	Mon 12/01/08 09:02 AM
I think there are two kinds of atheists. The ones who don't believe there is a god and live their lives accordingly and then there are the anti-Christians who seem to have some sort of bitterness directed at God and feel the need to try to take God away from believers Just because you are anti-Christian doesn't mean you are against God. Many, many people worldwide are not Christians but that has nothing to do with their faith in God. I am not a Christian, am against organized religion as a whole, but have a very strong spirtual relationship with God But that also doesn't mean that I feel to need to convince people that I am right and they are wrong. I respect other's beliefs and am open-minded enough to accept that they may very well be right and I am wrong, and I will find out when I die.

martymark Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 1105	Mon 12/01/08 09:08 AM
I still think it has to do with narcissism. And no, I in no way whatsoever think much of anything, if anything at all, revolves around me!

SuzinVA Joined Wed 04/25/07 Posts: 28730	Mon 12/01/08 09:25 AM
I think it's possible you are misunderstanding the term "narcissism." Narcissists, generally speaking, have a need to be admired and have others think well of them. They will often not go against the grain of society, they have to have the best of everything (materially) and they will only socialize with people who they believe are close to being on par with themselves. They don't care if they are liked so long as they believe people admire and envy them. A true narcissist will not argue against popular thought as that could lead to losing that admiration that is desperately desired. They are self-centered only to the extent that they fit in and exceed (in their own minds) society's expectations. The need to be right all the time doesn't really play in here, unless they are using it to further their own sense of self-worth by arguing for the popular answer better than anyone else.

martymark Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 1105	Mon 12/01/08 09:35 AM
I still think it has to do with narcissism. And no, I in no way whatsoever think much of anything, if anything at all, revolves around me!...nar·cis·sism (när'sĭ-sĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key n. Excessive love or admiration of oneself. See Synonyms at conceit. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development. The attribute of the human psyche charactized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Mon 12/01/08 09:58 AM
all this because of an observation I made? do you really want to try and get in my head? It's a scary and dangerous neighborhood in there Conscious thoughts can run to infinity like ticker-tape. I have a challenging enough time with my own and don't really care to get too deep into yours. I guess I related to your perspective because I've had similar thoughts that I now hope to further understand.

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Mon 12/01/08 10:02 AM
I think it's possible you are misunderstanding the term "narcissism." Narcissists, generally speaking, have a need to be admired and have others think well of them. They will often not go against the grain of society, they have to have the best of everything (materially) and they will only socialize with people who they believe are close to being on par with themselves. They don't care if they are liked so long as they believe people admire and envy them. A true narcissist will not argue against popular thought as that could lead to losing that admiration that is desperately desired. They are self-centered only to the extent that they fit in and exceed (in their own minds) society's expectations. The need to be right all the time doesn't really play in here, unless they are using it to further their own sense of self-worth by arguing for the popular answer better than anyone else. The need to be "right" is based on fear of appearing inferior. Therefore, it is based on a need to feel superior. C'mon... Aren't we ALL narcissistic?

martymark Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 1105	Mon 12/01/08 10:05 AM
relax guys/gals...just try'in to have a little fun, I'm hurting too much to get out in this cold!

adj4u Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 21254	Mon 12/01/08 10:05 AM Edited by adj4u on Mon 12/01/08 10:06 AM
Could it be that they do this in hopes of proving to everyone that they are the smartest person on earth or something like that? Or is it just narcissistic behavior? maybe it is because so many that say there is are hypocrites and try to force others to live by the standards that they set if everyone would leave everyone else alone this would not even be an issue more people have been murdered in the name of god than anything else

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Mon 12/01/08 10:40 AM
relax guys/gals...just try'in to have a little fun, I'm hurting too much to get out in this cold! Here... Have some healing ju ju, martymark, and feel better.

martymark Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 1105	Mon 12/01/08 10:42 AM
relax guys/gals...just try'in to have a little fun, I'm hurting too much to get out in this cold! Here... Have some healing ju ju, martymark, and feel better. healing Ju Ju, ???? enlighten please!

quiet_2008 Joined Sat 08/30/08 Posts: 11138	Mon 12/01/08 10:42 AM
more people have been murdered in the name of god than anything else except maybe Nazism and Communism (between Hitler and Stalin a LOT of people are dead)

SuzinVA Joined Wed 04/25/07 Posts: 28730	Mon 12/01/08 10:44 AM
The need to be "right" is based on fear of appearing inferior. Therefore, it is based on a need to feel superior. C'mon... Aren't we ALL narcissistic? Yes, of course, we all are narcissitic to some extent, it's a facet of self-preservation. Most people, though, grow out of the worst of it and come to an understanding that while we are important in our own minds, we are not necessarily important in others, and that's ok.

martymark Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 1105	Mon 12/01/08 10:47 AM Edited by martymark on Mon 12/01/08 10:50 AM
The need to be "right" is based on fear of appearing inferior. Therefore, it is based on a need to feel superior. C'mon... Aren't we ALL narcissistic? Yes, of course, we all are narcissitic to some extent, it's a facet of self-preservation. Most people, though, grow out of the worst of it and come to an understanding that while we are important in our own minds, we are not necessarily important in others, and that's ok. no it's not, and I'm gonna prove it.......Oh, my teenager just told me otherwise...and she's always right!

splendidlife Joined Fri 03/21/08 Posts: 1171	Mon 12/01/08 11:12 AM
relax guys/gals...just try'in to have a little fun, I'm hurting too much to get out in this cold! Here... Have some healing ju ju, martymark, and feel better. healing Ju Ju, ???? enlighten please! Good Vibes, Dude.

martymark Joined Tue 11/18/08 Posts: 1105	Mon 12/01/08 11:15 AM Edited by martymark on Mon 12/01/08 11:16 AM
relax guys/gals...just try'in to have a little fun, I'm hurting too much to get out in this cold! Here... Have some healing ju ju, martymark, and feel better. healing Ju Ju, ???? enlighten please! Good Vibes, Dude. oohhhh, ya never know on these threads till ya ask sometimes...cool ...thanks

JasmineInglewood Joined Wed 11/28/07 Posts: 4447	Mon 12/01/08 03:05 PM Edited by JasmineInglewood on Mon 12/01/08 03:15 PM
the best way i can explain it is its like being the kid in the story "the emperor's new clothes"... if it were not for the people who throughout history, sought to debunk the superstition and dogmas that imprison the human mind and societies, sometimes at the cost of their own lives, the world, the state of education, technology and knowledge would not have progressed beyond the dark ages where god did everything, and we only had to read our bible and nothing else (those who could read that is). some of us actually care about the state of our one world and our one life and do not seek to console ourselves and appease our conscience by telling ourselves there is another one after we've denigrated this one.