Topic: why do some people try to prove that there is no creator?
martymark's photo
Mon 12/01/08 03:20 PM

the best way i can explain it is its like being the kid in the story "the emperor's new clothes"...

if it were not for the people who throughout history, sought to debunk the superstition and dogmas that imprison the human mind and societies, sometimes at the cost of their own lives, the world, the state of education, technology and knowledge would not have progressed beyond the dark ages where god did everything, and we only had to read our bible and nothing else (those who could read that is).

some of us actually care about the state of our one world and our one life and do not seek to console ourselves and appease our conscience by telling ourselves there is another one after we've denigrated this one.

I new that was a marshun space helmut...lol

JasmineInglewood's photo
Mon 12/01/08 03:28 PM
biggrin

JasmineInglewood's photo
Mon 12/01/08 03:29 PM
not quite sure how my marhsun space helmet relates to that post but i'm glad to see ya marty deary biggrin flowerforyou

Krimsa's photo
Tue 12/02/08 01:16 AM

more people have been murdered in the name of god than anything else


except maybe Nazism and Communism

(between Hitler and Stalin a LOT of people are dead)


Adolf Hitler was Catholic.

The Communist regime was never killing anyone in the name of god.

More people have been put to death for the sole cause of organized religion than for any other reason on earth.

Thomas3474's photo
Tue 12/02/08 01:28 AM


more people have been murdered in the name of god than anything else


except maybe Nazism and Communism

(between Hitler and Stalin a LOT of people are dead)


Adolf Hitler was Catholic.

The Communist regime was never killing anyone in the name of god.

More people have been put to death for the sole cause of organized religion than for any other reason on earth.



Somehow I don't remember any of the World wars being started because of God.I don't remember any speeches saying we are killing for God.The only religion I can see that kills for God is the Muslim religion.You are also not going to sell me the idea that Hitler was somehow a good Catholic trying to conqure the world to convert it Catholism.He wanted the destruction of every Jew and burned down Jewish churches.I think it's safe to say religion wasn't a high priority on his list

Krimsa's photo
Tue 12/02/08 01:37 AM
"I have often reflected, wistfully, on how much happier modern history might have been had Hitler been brought up as an atheist, an agnostic, or, at least, a Unitarian. Born and bred a Catholic, he grew up in a religion and in a culture that was anti-semitic, and in persecuting Jews, he repeatedly proclaimed he was doing the "Lord's work."

You will find it in Mein Kampf: "Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work."

Thomas3474's photo
Tue 12/02/08 01:58 AM

"I have often reflected, wistfully, on how much happier modern history might have been had Hitler been brought up as an atheist, an agnostic, or, at least, a Unitarian. Born and bred a Catholic, he grew up in a religion and in a culture that was anti-semitic, and in persecuting Jews, he repeatedly proclaimed he was doing the "Lord's work."

You will find it in Mein Kampf: "Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work."


I hate to break the news to you but Hitler was about as un-Catholic as a frog is to the desert.Anyone can say they are a Catholic or a Christian but does that mean that they are one?Of course not.Hitler told more lies in a few months than most politicans do in a lifetime.Have you ever listened to his speaches and noticed how "out there" he is?Few would debate he was not insane.Certainly ones actions speaks louder than words and considering Hitler was basically killing everyone on the planet he certainly wasn't even following the bible remotely including one of the commandments "thou shall not kill".I personally have never seen Hitler in church nor did I ever hear of any churches supporting Hitlers cause.I have never seen him wearing a cross or holding a cross.I have never seen his service men in uniform in church nor have I seen them wearing crosses.

I think it's fair to say that Hitler though he was God and by him killing Jews(which he treated as a parasite)he thought he was doing the right thing.Many people have said Hitler was a "Anti-christ".Few would disagree myself included.Do I believe that Hitler would lie and use the bible and call himself a Catholic to further justify his actions.Yes I do.You certainly can not give me a single example of anything Hitler did that was either bible justified or something that Jesus would approve.

In basic terms nobody on this earth would disagree that fighting Hitler was a battle against good and evil.Who do you believe was evil and good?



Krimsa's photo
Tue 12/02/08 02:03 AM
Who do you believe was evil and good?


I dont. Since you are a Christian, you incorrectly assume that all people hold your same concept of "good and evil". There is no absolute good and absolute evil in things or people. All living creatures contain elements of both. This is a function of polarity.

Thomas3474's photo
Tue 12/02/08 02:12 AM
Krisma get back to me when you are ready to get into a serious discusion. frustrated

Krimsa's photo
Tue 12/02/08 02:15 AM
Well I answered your question. What do you want from me? Im not starting any arguments. Hitler was a Catholic and I dont believe in the concept of duality.

adj4u's photo
Tue 12/02/08 02:36 AM
Edited by adj4u on Tue 12/02/08 02:37 AM



more people have been murdered in the name of god than anything else


except maybe Nazism and Communism

(between Hitler and Stalin a LOT of people are dead)


Adolf Hitler was Catholic.

The Communist regime was never killing anyone in the name of god.

More people have been put to death for the sole cause of organized religion than for any other reason on earth.



Somehow I don't remember any of the World wars being started because of God.I don't remember any speeches saying we are killing for God.The only religion I can see that kills for God is the Muslim religion.You are also not going to sell me the idea that Hitler was somehow a good Catholic trying to conqure the world to convert it Catholism.He wanted the destruction of every Jew and burned down Jewish churches.I think it's safe to say religion wasn't a high priority on his list



Hitler wrote: "I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.


Hitler was not only a confessed Christian, but his intolerance and atrocities were consistent with Biblical scripture and he acted as other Christians of the past and present.




The Catholic and Protestant Churches in Germany set the foundation for WWII and the atrocities to occur. Popes, priests and nuns supported Hitler's regime. Indeed, Hitler could not have come to power without Christianity's help.

http://nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm


no photo
Tue 12/02/08 02:57 AM
offtopic slaphead frustrated

adj4u's photo
Tue 12/02/08 02:58 AM
Edited by adj4u on Tue 12/02/08 02:59 AM


Your a Jackass!



yer not the first

i proved a point to

to say that

that is why i have that picture in my profile

Thomas3474's photo
Tue 12/02/08 02:59 AM
Maybe next time you should try a website that is religion neutral instead of a Christian bashing website.

Religion aside this is the biggest bunch of non sense I have heard in my 34 years.I am actually so surprised at the stupidity from the last few posts on this topic I can bear to read no more.I think your post should be in the Darwin awards hall of fame.

Krimsa's photo
Tue 12/02/08 03:04 AM
Good luck finding a "neutral website" The closest you will be able to locate is historical sites. That is where I find most of my information. In this particular case I utilized "Mein Kampf." which translates to "My Life" in English and is an autobiographical account of Adolf Hitler.

adj4u's photo
Tue 12/02/08 03:14 AM
Edited by adj4u on Tue 12/02/08 03:17 AM

Maybe next time you should try a website that is religion neutral instead of a Christian bashing website.

Religion aside this is the biggest bunch of non sense I have heard in my 34 years.I am actually so surprised at the stupidity from the last few posts on this topic I can bear to read no more.I think your post should be in the Darwin awards hall of fame.



i am pretty sure that they would not say something is a quote from hitlers book

if it was not in it

that would be very easy to disprove

so go read it and get back to me when you have a serious point to make


as you would say


get back to me when you are ready to get into a serious discusion. frustrated

no photo
Tue 12/02/08 03:30 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Tue 12/02/08 03:33 AM
You have People Who

Believe in God...

and

Have a Relationship with God....


and then


You have People Who

Believe in Religion...

and

Have No Relationship with God.

Whatsoever.


But BOTH Will Call Themselves

Christian.

As did Hitler.


:heart:

adj4u's photo
Tue 12/02/08 03:34 AM

You have People Who

Believe in God...

and

Have a Relationship with God....


and then


You have People Who

Believe in Religion...

and

Have No Relationship with God.

Whatsoever.


:heart:



flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou flowerforyou

you are right on point there

that is one of the reasons for my belief of

organized religion = root of all evil


SharpShooter10's photo
Tue 12/02/08 03:40 AM
"We are accountable for our own beliefs"

Pause for reflection it is up to each of us to check things out in His Word for ourselves.

We, you and me, we are accountable for our own beliefs.
Start by "checking out" the following scriptures which say "check things out for yourself".

1 Thes. 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

2 Tim. 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

no photo
Tue 12/02/08 03:40 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Tue 12/02/08 03:44 AM
God did NOT Make Religion.

Man Did.

God Wants Relationship with Us.

NOT Religion.



btw.....

Christianity was Meant to be about

RELATIONSHIP

All Along....

and NEVER about RELIGION a tall.