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Well you would have to ask him...now wouldn't ya...I don't care why he did it...I am just grateful that he did. And trust me when I speak of God, Angels, all of it.....It is strictly from my own experiences so what other proof do I need....do I need to know if they go back in time to the beginning or whatever....no because the proof for me is what they have done for me. hmmm? then it seems strange to me if this is the case that if the book is true that there would be no mention of angels in other civilizations that were before the monotheistic beliefs. if angels were supposedly known from the first days of creating man then would not A&E have passed on this info to those who became other civilizations? why did not the Sumerians or others know of the existence and write of these beings if they were handed down by word from the earliest times? surely A&E would have mentioned them to their children if that were the case? having seen the one that guarded the gates of Eden with a fiery sword, long before mankind made swords. the talk of swords in the book leads one to have to contemplate historically when we as humans first came up with these weapons, was that about the time of moses or before? interesting subject this angels with swords and chariots and bows and arrows which would have been the ultimate weapons of those early days. you would thing a god that knew of future weapons would have used future weapons NO? why stick with ancient weapons when he could have outfitted them with M-16 and rocket launchers and machine guns. strange this all knowing god seems so limited to have to use the most common ancient war items to fight with huh? of course i guess it makes no difference since angels cant be killed even with atomic bombs anyway. thus my point - why the need for any weapons what so ever? for cutting seat bolts in cars? doesn't make sense Deb - they could have just as easily pulled you from the car unscathed without any weapons at all. |
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The norse civilization was born in the South of the Scandinavian Peninsula, the land of the fjords, lit by the boreal sun and swept acros by the winds of long and cold winters. The formation of this people began around the 10th century BC, and the iron age started rather late on these lands, about the >>>>>5th century BC.<<<<< The first certain proofs of a norse culture date from the time when these people began crafting iron objects. The first representations of the gods Odin and Thor, as well as the first runic inscriptions also date back to this period. so if it was te 5th Century BC as to the developement of the mythologies, then it does not supercede the angels of monothestic thought. correct? hmmm I an confused. If you say it is 5th Century BC then that is before christ. So they had thought of angels way before Christianity started. but I still think it goes even further back! Try Sumerian Mythology! 
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The norse civilization was born in the South of the Scandinavian Peninsula, the land of the fjords, lit by the boreal sun and swept acros by the winds of long and cold winters. The formation of this people began around the 10th century BC, and the iron age started rather late on these lands, about the >>>>>5th century BC.<<<<< The first certain proofs of a norse culture date from the time when these people began crafting iron objects. The first representations of the gods Odin and Thor, as well as the first runic inscriptions also date back to this period. so if it was te 5th Century BC as to the developement of the mythologies, then it does not supercede the angels of monothestic thought. correct? hmmm I an confused. If you say it is 5th Century BC then that is before christ. So they had thought of angels way before Christianity started. but I still think it goes even further back! Try Sumerian Mythology! ahh - i didnt say this it is from a site - i just C&P'd it - angels did not start with christian thought but jewish'israelite thought/moses wrote it down, it in history supposedly goes back to A&E in the garden, so if thats the case it would be at the beginning of mythology. sumerian literature would have been later if the book is beleived. thus sumerian/egypto/or other would be later mentions - but i have read no sumerian text speaking of angels?? of course my knowledge is limited there' |
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 Oh wow Norse myth started somewhere in 200 AD for sure. A very long time before Christianity. 200 AD?? a long time before "christianity"??? are you drinking early today - that sounds like an "ale" reply - yes you are right. You getting me confused. I was trying to find information where the first angel came from. Scratch Norse Mythology. I have a good feeling it would be under Sumerian or Ancient Egyptian Mythology we could find the very first angels. It is worth the search if you are up to it. |
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Edited by
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Norse mythology predates the advent of Christianity Tribo. The bible was in fact based in part on myths that had been passed down through the conquered Sumerians.They were sacked by the Akkadians, who were Semitic in origin. The Sumerians were not.
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Tribo  (( Krimsa ))  smiless Hope you all have a great day don't drink as early as I do okay
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Edited by
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Well you would have to ask him...now wouldn't ya...I don't care why he did it...I am just grateful that he did. And trust me when I speak of God, Angels, all of it.....It is strictly from my own experiences so what other proof do I need....do I need to know if they go back in time to the beginning or whatever....no because the proof for me is what they have done for me. hmmm? then it seems strange to me if this is the case that if the book is true that there would be no mention of angels in other civilizations that were before the monotheistic beliefs. if angels were supposedly known from the first days of creating man then would not A&E have passed on this info to those who became other civilizations? why did not the Sumerians or others know of the existence and write of these beings if they were handed down by word from the earliest times? surely A&E would have mentioned them to their children if that were the case? having seen the one that guarded the gates of Eden with a fiery sword, long before mankind made swords. the talk of swords in the book leads one to have to contemplate historically when we as humans first came up with these weapons, was that about the time of moses or before? interesting subject this angels with swords and chariots and bows and arrows which would have been the ultimate weapons of those early days. you would thing a god that knew of future weapons would have used future weapons NO? why stick with ancient weapons when he could have outfitted them with M-16 and rocket launchers and machine guns. strange this all knowing god seems so limited to have to use the most common ancient war items to fight with huh? of course i guess it makes no difference since angels cant be killed even with atomic bombs anyway. thus my point - why the need for any weapons what so ever? for cutting seat bolts in cars? doesn't make sense Deb - they could have just as easily pulled you from the car unscathed without any weapons at all. you don't have to prove anything to me deb, your experiences are yours - not mine, that said, i was merely pointing out that angels should not need weapons of any kind - who or what are they defending?? even the angel that guarded the gates of Eden - why the sword? could he have not just stopped anyone from entering with but a word? the weapons seem to me to be why i don't agree that this book is of god and not of mans making? there are absolutely no needs for spiritual beings of any sort to use weapons on each other or mankind that i can fathom? |
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Norse mythology comprises the beliefs, myths and legends of the indigenous pre-Christian religion of the Scandinavian peoples, including those who settled on Faroe Islands and Iceland, where most of the written sources for Norse mythology were assembled. Norse mythology is the best-preserved version of the older common Germanic paganism, which also includes the very closely related Anglo-Saxon mythology.
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Well there you go Norse is a older religion. I mean I am sure we can even find Germanic Tribes such as the Pagans who worshipped angels.
I just think that the Norse with the Valkyrie (who had a weapon) could be a idea that Christianity have taken, but again I could be off. If you think about dragons there were so many countries in the world that never had any contact, yet still talked about dragons. I always found that ironic. Perhaps there was such a beast at the time or the last of them before they disappeared. |
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History of Angels
Are Angels ambassadors sent from God to guide us, protect us or bring messages from heaven? The word angel comes from the Greek word "angelos" which means messenger. The Bible says that God has appointed many angels to those who love God and call to Him, "Psalms 91:11 For He shall give His angels charge over you, To keep you in all your ways." The bible refers to different types of angels, with varying duties such as ugides, protectors, messengers and angels of the Lord, or as Cherubim, Seraphim, or Archangels, and not to be worshipped for they are "creatures" Col. 2:18; Rev. 19:10; 22:9. The meanings of angels, their appearance and purposes vary throughout history and the world. Artists have given us their visions of angels as winged creatures, usually beautiful figures that are glowing, shining, floating, in human form or as a voice. Saints as well as everyday people tell about being visited by or helped by angels. In the bible, angels have appeared as messengers, guides, and healers. They also make up the celestial court. "And I beheld and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne, and the number of them was thousands of thousands." - St. John, the Evangelist. Angels are even recorded in the Koran, "You shall see the angels circling around the throne, giving glory to their Lord". The world's great literature and art tell us about many angel characters - some we're familiar with and some obscure to us now. Yet, the common thread that weaves amongst the legends and the lore is the undeniable influence that angels have had upon nearly every culture and religion known to man. History of Angels in History, World Cultures and Religions Angels have been thought of as creations of a separate order from human beings and also as the spirits of highly evolved humans. Angel scholar, Geddes McGregor, tells us the English word angel is a transcription of the Greek word "agaylos". In Hebrew, angels are called "mal'ak" meaning messenger. "Mal'ak" originally meant shadow side of God. The Hebrews thought of angels as emanations of Yahweh, part of the same divine spirit. In the Christian church, angels were not believed to be emanations of God, but spirits created by God at the time He created the material world. Muhammad said angels were sent by God to seek out those places where men and women honor the deity. The angels then report back to heaven what they have heard. Angels have been thought of as creations of a separate order from human beings and also as the spirits of highly evolved humans. Socrates tells us that Eros is a spirit who carries messages back and forth between men and gods. Another angel-like figure from mythology is Hermes, the winged messenger. Nike, or Victory, with her great wings served as a model for later depictions of angels according to art scholar Peter Lamborn Wilson. We also find similar beliefs in supernatural beings in the vision of the Shaman. The Shaman takes a bird form, travels in search of the soul of his patient. Primitive cultures generally thought that illness was caused by loss of soul of some kind. There have always been people employed to go and find the soul, whether it's contemporary psychologists or ancient healers. In the middle ages, St. Augustine described the nature of an angel by relating it to an angel's purpose. The angels are spirits, but it is not because they are spirits that they are angels. They become angels when they are sent. The name angel refers to their office not to their nature. You ask the name of this nature, it is spirit. You ask its office, it is that of angel. In as far as he exists, an angel is a spirit, and as far as he acts he is an angel - St. Augustine. |
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Tribo (( Krimsa )) smiless Hope you all have a great day don't drink as early as I do okay
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Norse mythology predates the advent of Christianity Tribo. The bible was in fact based in part on myths that had been passed down through the conquered Sumerians.They were sacked by the Akkadians, who were Semitic in origin. The Sumerians were not. I was going by the boks outline Krim, if A&E were the first people then they would have been the first to see an angel, sumeria cmae later according to the book, but for interest sake when did the sumerian civilization flourish? what dates? did they write of angels to your knowledge? i can find nothing on this? |
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Thu 12/04/08 12:12 PM
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I dont think any other culture had exactly what would be considered a Christian angel although much earlier civilizations had winged deities so the Christians more than likely adapted and borrowed as they did with the bible and the Sumerians. That happens all the time and is a form of assimilation when peoples are conquered.
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Anyway the idea was further given from previous religions now called Mythologies.
Perhaps this individual in Ancient Egypt had a dream that he was flying above the pyramids. Then he woke up and said, I will have to write about this and make it into a god! You see how powerful imagination is. It can create systems to bring order for a few individuals. “Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” – Albert Einstein |
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Norse mythology predates the advent of Christianity Tribo. The bible was in fact based in part on myths that had been passed down through the conquered Sumerians.They were sacked by the Akkadians, who were Semitic in origin. The Sumerians were not. |
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Tribo (( Krimsa )) smiless Hope you all have a great day don't drink as early as I do okay Good luck on that sale! I hope it gets through. I would send you some cognac, but I really cherish it over here.
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Edited by
Krimsa
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Thu 12/04/08 12:16 PM
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The height of the Sumerian empire lasted from the first settlement of Eridu in the Ubaid period (late 6th millennium BC) through the Uruk period (4th millennium BC) and the Dynastic periods (3rd millennium BC) until the rise of Babylon in the early 2nd millennium BC
Date Moses (or whoever) wrote Genesis 1440 B.C.  
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The norse civilization was born in the South of the Scandinavian Peninsula, the land of the fjords, lit by the boreal sun and swept acros by the winds of long and cold winters. The formation of this people began around the 10th century BC, and the iron age started rather late on these lands, about the >>>>>5th century BC.<<<<< The first certain proofs of a norse culture date from the time when these people began crafting iron objects. The first representations of the gods Odin and Thor, as well as the first runic inscriptions also date back to this period. so if it was te 5th Century BC as to the developement of the mythologies, then it does not supercede the angels of monothestic thought. correct? hmmm I an confused. If you say it is 5th Century BC then that is before christ. So they had thought of angels way before Christianity started. but I still think it goes even further back! Try Sumerian Mythology! ahh - i didnt say this it is from a site - i just C&P'd it - angels did not start with christian thought but jewish'israelite thought/moses wrote it down, it in history supposedly goes back to A&E in the garden, so if thats the case it would be at the beginning of mythology. sumerian literature would have been later if the book is beleived. thus sumerian/egypto/or other would be later mentions - but i have read no sumerian text speaking of angels?? of course my knowledge is limited there' sorry to take the whole topic off with trying to figure out who or what was the very first angel and where the idea came from to give it a weapon. I guess it would really take some research. To bad we don't have a professor in Mythology in the house. If Professor Joseph Campbell still lived and was on this thread we would have saved alot of confusion Okay I will let you get back to the program.
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Edited by
tribo
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Thu 12/04/08 12:22 PM
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The height of the Sumerian empire lasted from the first settlement of Eridu in the Ubaid period (late 6th millennium BC) through the Uruk period (4th millennium BC) and the Dynastic periods (3rd millennium BC) until the rise of Babylon in the early 2nd millennium BC Date Moses (or whoever) wrote Genesis 1440 B.C. thnx K, do you know of any sumerian writings that mention angels or angel like creatures/spirits/gods?? |
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The height of the Sumerian empire lasted from the first settlement of Eridu in the Ubaid period (late 6th millennium BC) through the Uruk period (4th millennium BC) and the Dynastic periods (3rd millennium BC) until the rise of Babylon in the early 2nd millennium BC Date Moses (or whoever) wrote Genesis 1440 B.C. yes I was going to say 6 to 8 thousand years before christ. Now where is that angel they had written on stonetablets but anyway the point it came from another creative mind and later adapted to other creative minds. Just a whole bunch of great fantasy writers. My hats off to them
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