Thats what I said. They are not always depicted with wings.However in medieval art they are.

hmmm? then it seems strange to me if this is the case that if the book is true that there would be no mention of angels in other civilizations that were before the monotheistic beliefs. if angels were supposedly known from the first days of creating man then would not A&E have passed on this info to those who became other civilizations? why did not the Sumerians or others know of the existence and write of these beings if they were handed down by word from the earliest times? surely A&E would have mentioned them to their children if that were the case? having seen the one that guarded the gates of Eden with a fiery sword, long before mankind made swords. the talk of swords in the book leads one to have to contemplate historically when we as humans first came up with these weapons, was that about the time of moses or before? interesting subject this angels with swords and chariots and bows and arrows which would have been the ultimate weapons of those early days. you would thing a god that knew of future weapons would have used future weapons NO? why stick with ancient weapons when he could have outfitted them with M-16 and rocket launchers and machine guns. strange this all knowing god seems so limited to have to use the most common ancient war items to fight with huh?

of course i guess it makes no difference since angels cant be killed even with atomic bombs anyway. thus my point - why the need for any weapons what so ever?
for cutting seat bolts in cars? doesn't make sense Deb - they could have just as easily pulled you from the car unscathed without any weapons at all.

By that logic, he should also respect non-believers.

no he could not make us love him to "make" anyone do something against there will would not be love. no one would love god if it was an act of having to or being made to.

it is their choice and a choice he allows by giving free will.

Tribo I thought that was kinda what I was saying

I look at it this way. If god is an ass and everything the Christians say is actually true, then he's probably very angry and jealous and pissed off a good portion of the time. In this case, he would be very hard pressed to understand why someone refused to believe in him.

That scenario seems unlikely.

On the other hand, he might be very sympathetic to someone that decided to hold out and look him in the eye and tell him this sounds suspicious. All we had to go on was a stupid, contradictory book while on earth.

He might be very understanding of that position.

A compassionate, intelligent being would be.

That's why I tend not to worry either way.

NO!!! it was pretty much what you were saying -

Here is a interesting article on angels. I still believe that angels were invented by the minds who lived way beyond 6000 years ago if not longer and was just carried over to Christianity later.

Here is a interesting article to read about the topic.

http://www.feedback.nildram.co.uk/richardebbs/essays/angels.htm

I also now think back from my fantasy writings on a character I use to write about who was a Valkyrie. A human with wings. The Valkyrie if I remember correctly is the origin of Norse Mythology. I would share this story but it is in German.


----------- my reference I used to use to create my fantasy creatures in my epic novels.

The Aesir Family :

The Aesir family of Gods were the chief gods of Norse Mythology...Odin, king of the gods. His two black ravens, Huginn (Thought) and Muninn (Memory), flew forth daily to gather tidings of events all over the world. As god of war, Odin held court in Valhalla, where all brave warriors went after death in battle.

The Valkyries, were warrior maidens who attended Odin, ruler of the gods. The Valkyries rode through the air in brilliant armor, directed battles, distributed death lots among the warriors, and conducted the souls of slain heroes to Valhalla, the great hall of Odin. The name "Valkyrie or Valkyr" in itself is a metaphor, as it was supposed to create great heroes and warriors. All of the V-head ramblings, for the most part, tie in with Norse mythology. Or at least I can see how they would. "The flesh of fallen angels" is probably some reference to Valkyrie.

was norse mythology before or after monothistic mythology? dates please

Doesn't Mono mean one so it would be before. Norse, Greek, and Ancient Egyptian (except for one Pharoah) believe in many gods at once so they where obviously before monotheistic religions.

I just wanted to say that the thought of angels didn't start with Judaism, Muslim, or Christianity first, which are monotheistic religions.

dates please - when did the norse people originate any idea? was it before the egyptians? after? dates are important here to know for sure? -

Freya — Goddess of Love and Fertility. She ruled Odin’s Valkyries and is reputed to have taught him women’s blood magic. Together with her consort-brother Frey she was ruler of the Vanir, ancient matrifocal nature deities who preexisted Norse patriarchy. In this re-creation of a 6th century Swedish bronze image she is shown smiling, encircled by her great necklace Brisingamen . Goddess of the moon, of love, and of childbirth, she gave her name to Friday.

Tribo Valkyries are somewhat angel like but different.



I had to use a different photo than the one they are speaking of.

Tribo

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The norse civilization was born in the South of the Scandinavian Peninsula, the land of the fjords, lit by the boreal sun and swept acros by the winds of long and cold winters. The formation of this people began around the 10th century BC, and the iron age started rather late on these lands, about the >>>>>5th century BC.<<<<< The first certain proofs of a norse culture date from the time when these people began crafting iron objects. The first representations of the gods Odin and Thor, as well as the first runic inscriptions also date back to this period.



so if it was te 5th Century BC as to the developement of the mythologies, then it does not supercede the angels of monothestic thought. correct?

Oh wow Norse myth started somewhere in 200 AD for sure. A very long time before Christianity.

thnx Tom, yu to.

hmmm I an confused. If you say it is 5th Century BC then that is before christ. So they had thought of angels way before Christianity started.
Although you could be right and it is a pre-christian belief system.

but I still think it goes even further back! Try Sumerian Mythology!

200 AD?? a long time before "christianity"???


are you drinking early today -

that sounds like an "ale" reply -