Topic: George Bushes true legacy
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Wed 11/26/08 09:18 AM
Edited by Spidercmb on Wed 11/26/08 09:19 AM

I dont care if I get kicked..You call me ignorant one more time I will personally come to YOUR neighborhood and beat your mother ****ing azz:smile: Get your dam monitor



Yer ignert.

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Wed 11/26/08 09:21 AM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/26/08 09:32 AM


I dont care if I get kicked..You call me ignorant one more time I will personally come to YOUR neighborhood and beat your mother ****ing azz:smile: Get your dam monitor



You are ignert.
I speak my mind weather you like it or not. Ignorant now huh..All hail the mighty SPIDER only his views are right and rightchous. BOY!!!!! PROVE WHAT YOUR ARE SAYING>>>YOU CANT!!!!!! I can..WAS THERE ANY WMD FOUND!!! NO!!!!!!!! Same thing Inspectors were saying!!!!

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Wed 11/26/08 09:30 AM
rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

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Wed 11/26/08 09:32 AM
the current thinking is that the chemical weapons were buried in the Baaka valley in Syria




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Wed 11/26/08 09:32 AM



I dont care if I get kicked..You call me ignorant one more time I will personally come to YOUR neighborhood and beat your mother ****ing azz:smile: Get your dam monitor



You are ignert.
I speak my mind weather you like it or not. Ignorant now huh..All hail the mighty SPIDER only his views are right and rightchous. BOY!!!!! PROVE WHAT YOUR ARE SAYING>>>YOU CANT!!!!!! I can..WAS THERE ANY WMD FOUND!!! NO!!!!!!!!


Prove what? That the democrats are using the war in Iraq for partisan advantage? That's already been proven. The Democrats supported Iraq until no WMDs were found, then they called Bush a liar, even though he had the same intelligence that they had. Bush didn't know any more than the Senate intelligence committee. He couldn't have known that Iraq didn't have WMDs.

Democrats were saying that Iraq had WMDs from 1998 up until after the invasion.


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.


THEY HAD THE SAME INTELLIGENCE THAT THE PRESIDENT GETS. That's required, so that the President can't lie about intelligence to Congress. Our laws REQUIRE that the Senate and Congressional intelligence committees are privy to the same information as the President. John Kerry sits on that committee, look at the quotes from him about Iraqi WMDs. At least try to be honest and fair. I know it's hard to admit that your party is a bunch of crooks and liars, but you will feel better once you admit that.

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Wed 11/26/08 09:34 AM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/26/08 09:36 AM




I dont care if I get kicked..You call me ignorant one more time I will personally come to YOUR neighborhood and beat your mother ****ing azz:smile: Get your dam monitor



You are ignert.
I speak my mind weather you like it or not. Ignorant now huh..All hail the mighty SPIDER only his views are right and rightchous. BOY!!!!! PROVE WHAT YOUR ARE SAYING>>>YOU CANT!!!!!! I can..WAS THERE ANY WMD FOUND!!! NO!!!!!!!!


Prove what? That the democrats are using the war in Iraq for partisan advantage? That's already been proven. The Democrats supported Iraq until no WMDs were found, then they called Bush a liar, even though he had the same intelligence that they had. Bush didn't know any more than the Senate intelligence committee. He couldn't have known that Iraq didn't have WMDs.

Democrats were saying that Iraq had WMDs from 1998 up until after the invasion.


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.


THEY HAD THE SAME INTELLIGENCE THAT THE PRESIDENT GETS. That's required, so that the President can't lie about intelligence to Congress. Our laws REQUIRE that the Senate and Congressional intelligence committees are privy to the same information as the President. John Kerry sits on that committee, look at the quotes from him about Iraqi WMDs. At least try to be honest and fair. I know it's hard to admit that your party is a bunch of crooks and liars, but you will feel better once you admit that.
I am an INDEPENDENT!!!!! I VOTED FOR BUSH IN 2000! I think both parties are full of crap!!!

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Wed 11/26/08 09:35 AM
All I did was ask you to prove what YOU said and you have failed to do it:smile:

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Wed 11/26/08 09:35 AM
Edited by Spidercmb on Wed 11/26/08 09:36 AM

I am an INDEPEDENT!!!!! I VOTED FOR BUSH IN 2000! I think both parties are full of crap!!!


<sarcasm>That completely refutes everything I posted.</sarcasm.

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Wed 11/26/08 09:37 AM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/26/08 09:38 AM


I am an INDEPEDENT!!!!! I VOTED FOR BUSH IN 2000! I think both parties are full of crap!!!


<sarcasm>That completely refutes everything I posted.</sarcasm.
Dam you cant not answer a question.. Now its sarcasm! DAM

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Wed 11/26/08 09:38 AM

All I did was ask you to prove what YOU said and you have failed to do it:smile:




You already admitted that you are completely closed to being proven wrong. So nothing I say or do will convince you. Talking to a wall would be more productive.

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Wed 11/26/08 09:39 AM


All I did was ask you to prove what YOU said and you have failed to do it:smile:




You already admitted that you are completely closed to being proven wrong. So nothing I say or do will convince you. Talking to a wall would be more productive.
You wont quit will..A WALL!!Answer the dam questions?

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Wed 11/26/08 09:41 AM
Obama is Bush's true legacy. People of all backgrounds hate Bush so much they overcame fear & bigotry to elect the 1st black president. McCain lost because of his affiliation with Bush.

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Wed 11/26/08 09:42 AM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/26/08 09:44 AM
I will argue my beleifs of any point. You prove me wrong and I learn something. So far you have not! Trying to expand so Im not "Ignorant".. I believe we went through the same crap on another issue.

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Wed 11/26/08 09:46 AM
Quit calling me a Democrat!!

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Wed 11/26/08 09:49 AM

I will argue my beleifs of any point. You prove me wrong and I learn something. So far you have not! Trying to expand so Im not "Ignorant".. I believe we went through the same crap on another issue.


Okay, if you agree to be open minded, then calmly and clearly ask your question.

What is it that you want me to prove?

Please be specific and reasonable when you make your request.

(Please don't come back and say "Everything you've posted". Specifically tell me what I have posted that you feel needs to be proven)

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Wed 11/26/08 09:50 AM

Quit calling me a Democrat!!


that would piss me off too

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Wed 11/26/08 09:52 AM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/26/08 09:56 AM


I will argue my beleifs of any point. You prove me wrong and I learn something. So far you have not! Trying to expand so Im not "Ignorant".. I believe we went through the same crap on another issue.


Okay, if you agree to be open minded, then calmly and clearly ask your question.

What is it that you want me to prove?

Please be specific and reasonable when you make your request.

(Please don't come back and say "Everything you've posted". Specifically tell me what I have posted that you feel needs to be proven)
1)What has that got to do with it. Do you want to SAVE the world while our own people suffer? One thing, if Afghanistan is so important why did we pull resources out to fight Iraq? It left our own troops there more vulnerable..Oh but the surge in Iraq worked!!! Pay people money not to fight does wonders dont

PLZ go back to this post and answer

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Wed 11/26/08 09:57 AM
Sure let's let the current administration escape all responsibility so we can spend our time pointing fingers and play politics.

Let's forget about the deaths or innocent men women and children.

Let's forget about throwing the international reputation of this country all the way down the toilet.

Let's forget about extra-legal manipulation of U.S. and international laws and treaties.

Let's forget about clearly illegal actions as well.

Let's forget about engaging in torture.

Let's forget about channeling obscene amounts of money into the pockets of political cronies in the name of security spending while sending men and women to war without proper weapons, vehicles or body armor.

Let's forget about appointing a horse show judge to head a government agency that let people criminally mishandled the Kitrina disaster.

Let's forget about the firing of attorneys from the justice department and the hiring of idiots simply because they were members of the "right" party.

Let's forget about the creation of programs to spy on Americans without warrant.

Let's forget about the fact that the majority of 9/11 bombers were Saudi.

Let's forget about Afghanistan.

Let's forget that no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.

Let's forget about the outing of a CIA officer by the administration.

Let's forget that Osama Bin Laden has yet to be found.

Let's forget about the stunning mismanagement of the war effort in Iraq.

Let's forget about Bush standing on an aircraft carrier under a banner of lies.

Sure...it's the democrats fault. You are right to some extent. It's all our faults if we don't demand accountability and question the next president.

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Wed 11/26/08 09:59 AM

Sure let's let the current administration escape all responsibility so we can spend our time pointing fingers and play politics.

Let's forget about the deaths or innocent men women and children.

Let's forget about throwing the international reputation of this country all the way down the toilet.

Let's forget about extra-legal manipulation of U.S. and international laws and treaties.

Let's forget about clearly illegal actions as well.

Let's forget about engaging in torture.

Let's forget about channeling obscene amounts of money into the pockets of political cronies in the name of security spending while sending men and women to war without proper weapons, vehicles or body armor.

Let's forget about appointing a horse show judge to head a government agency that let people criminally mishandled the Kitrina disaster.

Let's forget about the firing of attorneys from the justice department and the hiring of idiots simply because they were members of the "right" party.

Let's forget about the creation of programs to spy on Americans without warrant.

Let's forget about the fact that the majority of 9/11 bombers were Saudi.

Let's forget about Afghanistan.

Let's forget that no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.

Let's forget about the outing of a CIA officer by the administration.

Let's forget that Osama Bin Laden has yet to be found.

Let's forget about the stunning mismanagement of the war effort in Iraq.

Let's forget about Bush standing on an aircraft carrier under a banner of lies.

Sure...it's the democrats fault. You are right to some extent. It's all our faults if we don't demand accountability and question the next president.
Thank youflowerforyou

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Wed 11/26/08 10:02 AM
Edited by Spidercmb on Wed 11/26/08 10:05 AM



I will argue my beleifs of any point. You prove me wrong and I learn something. So far you have not! Trying to expand so Im not "Ignorant".. I believe we went through the same crap on another issue.


Okay, if you agree to be open minded, then calmly and clearly ask your question.

What is it that you want me to prove?

Please be specific and reasonable when you make your request.

(Please don't come back and say "Everything you've posted". Specifically tell me what I have posted that you feel needs to be proven)
1)What has that got to do with it. Do you want to SAVE the world while our own people suffer? One thing, if Afghanistan is so important why did we pull resources out to fight Iraq? It left our own troops there more vulnerable..Oh but the surge in Iraq worked!!! Pay people money not to fight does wonders dont


That isn't a question, it's a series of questions...

Let me break it down, so I know what you want answered. I will list your question in black and a comment from myself in red following the question.

1) What has that got to do with it. What is "that"? I'm not sure what the subject is. Is this a request for proof?
2) Do you want to SAVE the world while our own people suffer? You are not asking for proof...
3) One thing, if Afghanistan is so important why did we pull resources out to fight Iraq? You are not asking for proof...
4) It left our own troops there more vulnerable..Oh but the surge in Iraq worked!!! Pay people money not to fight does wonders dont Statements, not questions.

So you were supposed to be asking for proof, but as far as I can tell (unless 1 is a request for proof) you aren't asking for proof. No, you are just getting shots in at the war on terror, which clearly demonstrates that you aren't being very open minded and you aren't interested in hearing the other side. That what is called "willfully ignorant". Which means someone who doesn't want to hear the facts, because he or she is happy not knowing the truth.