I bet everyone involved in those killings had a hard heart against God or were otherwise evil. So in essence, they didn't choose God. And since He could see they never would.. He was probably just taking them out of the way so that He could help those who DID choose Him.

ok so answer me this does god have the knowledge of wether we are going to go to hell or not before we are even born?
if not then how is he all knowing.
and if so then he creates people with the foreknolledge that they will go to hell.
and how is that not cruel?

Life is a gift from God. When our life begins (as in when the sperm and egg unite) we are given a life. At the moment we begin to live, God knows our entire life from beginning to end.

So say God creates Hitler and realizes what Hitler is going to do. Does God destroy Hitler? No, because Hitler is just a little baby, he's innocent. God doesn't punish the innocent. Besides, God couldn't kill baby Hitler without changing events of which God was already aware. Paradox, remember? So baby Hitler gets his chance at life to live, love and make mistakes. In the end, Hitler will be punished according to his actions.

God isn't "all knowing". God knows everything that has, is or will happen. If something will never happen, God doesn't know about it.

Overcoming paradox isn't a matter of power. A paradox cannot exist, therefore God cannot create a paradox. In 1909, God knew the Holocaust would happen, but ONLY because the Holocaust was going to happen. God cannot change what he knows will happen.

As for those who were killed, only God can see the heart; past present and future.

At any rate, Seamonster, and Abra for that matter.. I can't speak for any other Creationists or Christians, but I'm not out to prove anything to you.

The Bible says I'll be held accountable for people I hold the truth from. But it also says that if I try and the truth is not accepted, I'm supposed to kick the dust from my shoes (walk away, forget about it).

So, I've spoken the truth, and now I'll leave you with your own choice to make.

ID is not a theory. It is not science, and should not be taught in a science class.
If they want to teach it in a class that deals with mythology ok, but it's not science.
ID is just a way to sneek religion into the classrooms. ID ends debate and thought, it makes people stupid.
If you just say that we got here becouse an outside sorce put us here then thats it we do not need to go any farther.
Eveolution is as sound a theory as the earth revolving around the sun, it does not disprove a god, you can't prove a negitive.

Nonsense. There is no more "evidence" of the validity of evolution as an eplination of the origin of the species than there is of the account of Genesis. Every "stated fact" you could presume to offer to support "Evolution" as a viable science stands in support of ID as well. Plain and simple - you can do no more to disprove ID than you will ever be able to "prove" evolution. Stop claiming it as "fact" - there is nothing factual about "evolution" as an origin of species. There is so much evidence that disproves it - that it makes the discussion about it moot.

Attempt if you will to explain to me how hummingbirds have survived given "evolutionary fact".

Then think about Giraffes - after that move on to firefly's - then woodpeckers - the list goes on and on. The fact of the matter is that there isn't an evolutionist on the planet who can explain how the woodpecker managed to develop it's anatomy, let alone how it has survived.

Wake up - and realize that you have swallowed a myth. You believe it is "fact" because somewhere in some classroom you were told that it is - witohut the semblence of any evidence or proof to support it. You were certainly not introduced to the "difficulties" with evolutionary theory. Those creatures which defy evolution by their mere existance.

school - i can see your point.

adults? how can you prove whats taken on faith?


you either believe in whats stated as proof or not, and follow it or not.


it's been debated to death on here, no one wins - you can not debate FAITH vs SCIENCE and have a definitive outcome. sorry.

Life is a gift from God. When our life begins (as in when the sperm and egg unite) we are given a life. At the moment we begin to live, God knows our entire life from beginning to end.

So say God creates Hitler and realizes what Hitler is going to do. Does God destroy Hitler? No, because Hitler is just a little baby, he's innocent. God doesn't punish the innocent. Besides, God couldn't kill baby Hitler without changing events of which God was already aware. Paradox, remember? So baby Hitler gets his chance at life to live, love and make mistakes. In the end, Hitler will be punished according to his actions.

God isn't "all knowing". God knows everything that has, is or will happen. If something will never happen, God doesn't know about it.

Overcoming paradox isn't a matter of power. A paradox cannot exist, therefore God cannot create a paradox. In 1909, God knew the Holocaust would happen, but ONLY because the Holocaust was going to happen. God cannot change what he knows will happen.

Are you joking? Its been debated to death but it basically comes down to the proponents of the theory of evolution have a SUBSTANTIAL amount of credible evidence to support it's claims.

What have the Creationists been able to show Sam?

Not a dam thing. You are confusing their whining and faith based beliefs in mythology as fact.

Pfft.

i agree - what i should have said is it will never change anyone's mind no matter how much evidence or lack there of is posted it always ends with no clear gain for either side. and it continues ad nauseum - is that better?

Getting back on topic here, how do you religious folks explain the similarities in genetic profiles between humans and chimpanzees if its all so terribly random as you seem to feel confident in proclaiming?

No need to get snippy. I know that you personally do not believe in the theory of evolution and you are somewhat resentful of the concept for whatever reason. You have expressed that to me in the past. So clearly your views of "who's evidence is more factual" is going to be askew.

You can simply deny the data yet that wont somehow render it unsubstantiated. I could believe that I am a vampire and no amount of convincing will dissuade me from that belief. The same would apply here.

wrong,

There is evidence of evolution.

There is 0 evidence of an invisible magic man.

Evolution is not even debated in the scientific community.
How evolution works is, but evolution itself is not, (except maybe amungst televangalists looking for a buck).
There is as much evidence of the god poseidon ruling the ocean as there is for the biblical god.

Are you joking? Its been debated to death but it basically comes down to the proponents of the theory of evolution have a SUBSTANTIAL amount of credible evidence to support it's claims.

What have the Creationists been able to show Sam?

Not a dam thing. You are confusing their whining and faith based beliefs in mythology as fact.

Pfft.

then he is "finite" and not worthy to be called god or worshipped as god.

And yet he interferes throughout the old testament - that's ignorant spider - you cant say he can interfere with Pharaoh and other kings and rulers and other peoples and then turn around and state he cant interfere with Hitler- WTF??

he "knew what Pharaoh would do when he grew up supposedly, and the others also and the ways of Sodom and Gomorrah and the tribes he destroyed [Canaanites etc..] yet you say he was powerless to interfere with Hitler or Mussolini or Japan, or Korea or Vietnam or or now - BS!!