Ezechiel 25:17 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

As far as spreading negativity....I don't see any Christians suing,protesting,blocking traffic,rioting,or trampling on anyone elses rights or beliefs despite the fact we are under constant attack from every other religion and non religion out there.I think it's fair to say that Christians are probably the most peaceful and most civilized people out there when it comes to dealing with these problems and issues.

A couple of years ago a Christian group protested and harrassed a local occult shop until she went out of business. They disrupted a Pagan service and eventually the Pagans gave up and stopped attending.

This is the article about one such protest at the shop. http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/Road_To_Hell/020430.witches.rights.html

The last thing we need is more made up holidays.

We are getting of topic, back to the Holidays.
Jingle bells, Jingle bells............

Elanher it is just my opinion and nobodys elses.As far as spreading negativity....I don't see any Christians suing,protesting,blocking traffic,rioting,or trampling on anyone elses rights or beliefs despite the fact we are under constant attack from every other religion and non religion out there.I think it's fair to say that Christians are probably the most peaceful and most civilized people out there when it comes to dealing with these problems and issues.

I am often puzzled when people say they are offended by a Christmas tree in a public place or Christmas lights on a government institution.Are you going to need counseling because you saw a Christmas tree?Do you think you should be compensated by the government because someone said "Merry Christmas" to you?Do we not have gay pride parades in cities all over America once a year that are paid for with tax payers dollars?If someone is offended should we stop all the gay pride parades.

My point is this...The majority of people in American love Christmas.We love the lights,we love the Christmas trees,we love watching children sing Christmas songs in our public schools.Christmas is a not so much a indivual holiday but one where the community as a whole(including government,city,and other public places)comes together to celebrate Jesus's birth.It has worked well for hundreds of years and I understand people get offended but it is a very small majority and I belive we live in a state where majority rules.It has now swung the other way where usually one person ruins it for the entire community because he/she is offended.Worse yet once they get rid of the Christmas decorations they seldom(if ever)return.

As far as you telling me I should "get a life".I have one,and I have one where I stand up for what I and tens of millions of other believe in....the right to celebrate Christmas any way we see fit including decorating the entire town with lights and Christmas trees.If you are offended I could care less because maybe you need to be offended!Nobody seems to care too much about offending the Christians.

As far as me and the bible is concerned....I hate to break the news to you but its not all flowers,little puppies,holding hands and singing "we are the world".The bible clearly does not like Christians being killed,taken advantage of,trampled over,or other wise disrespected. God has wiped out entire towns,and even flooded the entire earth killing everyone because he was upset with the way they were acting.Even Jesus was clear to not waste your time with people who will not listen to you.He also denied healing a womans daughter(but later did)because she was a gentile.Something for you to think over....

Ezechiel 25:17 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Is anyone spending December 25th this year to celebrate the virgin birth of Horus, the ancient (i.e. older than Christianity) Egyptian god that was born from the immaculate conception from the mother Isis? Horus was baptized by Anub the Baptizer and was later crucified. It's a fun tale.

wow, I'm amazed at all the parallels. I was only aware of some. Here's a site that lists them out side by side if anyone is interested.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

I'd suggest rather than parallels, the simpler explanation is one story occurred first (Horus), and the people during latter time (Jesus) thought is was a nice story. We remake/reinterpret stories, e.g. movies, all the time these days :)

Ok.. In the Holiday Spirit...and on the subject once again... I, an active Christian, don't want anyone, even the godless, to feel lonely or unloved.

Normally, atheists either don't have family, don't spend time with that family, or have a family that doesn't follow their line of thinking this holiday season, which may cause tension. Every now and then, you'll find a full family of atheists, spending 'family' time together in warmth of spirit and love.

So, since there are some extra lonely people out there, I want to wish you all well in this magical season(cause I even feel lonely and I spend the holidays with 50 people or more--southern family, what can I say.. and we have events with my church family.. musicals, candlelight communion, neighborhood caroling, but still can be lonely at times, especially when single).

May you seek what is worthy of being sought in life, may your life find meaning along its short journey here, and may you all prosper, not in worldliness, but in the very being of who you are to make the world a better place, a more kind and generous place.

Happy Holidays!

What do you get an Atheist for christmas??

nothing! thats kinda the point.... or is it


i think we need to come up with a godless holiday for atheist that isnt Halloween.


...But what would you call it? would there still be a red nose reindeer??

help me out mingle2

I think you must have met some bad atheists if you think they don't have or don't spend time with their families. Then again I've met some bad Christians too; a preacher who beats his children, a drug addict, another preacher who went on vacation every two months without his wife and two children. There are good and bad people from every belief system. The last sentence of your second paragraph is the norm from my experience.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything else you say. Peace, love and happiness to everyone no matter what belief system your upbringing gave to you.

I vote we call it Winter Festival!
That has nothing to do with religion and it basically means a seasonal celebration. Everyone can be involved in that!

And thats pretty much all it was before the Christians adopted it. It was the Winter solstice or Yule. No Santa, no Jesus, no heavy duty marketing strategies. It was essentially stolen.

Almost all holidays got their start similarly, except maybe July 4th, but even it wasn't fully done in one day, we just picked one out. So this argument is beginning to sound like a broken record.