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Edited by
cutelildevilsmom
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Maybe this can make a little more sense to all of you that can't think past the scope of a childhood education.
Tina Tina, you make very valid arguments. But then you proceed to lessen those points by making snide little comments such as the one I am quoting. I understand that it can be frustrating at times to feel that you are the only one who " sees the light " so to speak. Resorting to insulting someone's intelligence, however, is not the most effective way of making your point. If people don't listen to those points, that is their own choice. Oh I'm reading them but they don't go with my life experience and the tone of this whole thread is if you are poor you must be either stupid or lazy.I am neither .I'm just a single parent struggling to get by and even I will drop a few coins in a less fortunate persons cup because thats called empathy and community.Sometimes people forget their roots and what it's like to struggle.sad. |
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Maybe this can make a little more sense to all of you that can't think past the scope of a childhood education.
Tina Tina, you make very valid arguments. But then you proceed to lessen those points by making snide little comments such as the one I am quoting. I understand that it can be frustrating at times to feel that you are the only one who " sees the light " so to speak. Resorting to insulting someone's intelligence, however, is not the most effective way of making your point. If people don't listen to those points, that is their own choice. Oh I'm reading them but they don't go with my life experience and the tone of this whole thread is if you are poor you must be either stupid or lazy.I am neither .I'm just a single parent struggling to get by and even I will drop a few coins in a less fortunate persons cup because thats called empathy and community.Sometimes people forget their roots and what it's like to struggle.sad. You DO know, though, that it IS possible for you to do better for you and your family. No one is saying that just because you are poor you are stupid. I am saying that there are so many resources out there for single parents to make a better life for themselves, and the argument before (WINX, I think said) that people that are older with children will never make any better of a life for themselves or their families other than minimum wage and that minimum wage should be increased. You can look back and see that conversation. You can also see in other threads where I have told my story, and argued that many people are perfectly happy with making a lower income. They are happy to spend more time with their families and would opt to not work so hard in their life. What I am saying is, that's fine, but I don't want them to whine and say that somehow because I HAVE worked hard to earn good money, I owe them by paying more than 1/3 of what I earn to them. Hope that clarifies. Tina |
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Why can't the rich pay a higher percentage of taxes than the poor??? Touche... UMMM, THEY ALREADY DO!!! Much higher tax percentage, the difference of 35% to 10%. 35 percent of a billion is **** compared to 25 percent of 18000 a year. With loopholes and all it aint the rich nor the po paying its the working poor and lower middle class.I live in the real America.Apparently some here live in Fantasyland.By the way I'm a moderate as are most here.By the way I don't want your damn money,I just want a break.If you guys are so worried ,get the IRS abolished and income tax so we can actually get the bucks we work for. Let me spell it out in words that people like you can understand. Let's say you are selling candybars to earn your way to camp. If you sell 200 candybars, you have earned a free ride to camp. Any more candybars you sell over 200, you will get $.10 of spending money while you are at camp. Your classmates all have the same amount to sell for a free ride to camp and spending money as well. You work your butt off day and night and all weekend long to sell 250 candybars. This must mean that not only do you have a free ride to camp, but you also get $5 in spending money. Now everything turns around and you are forced to help the kids that did nothing to earn their free ride and the camp director now tells you that 1/3 of your candybar sales are going to help other kids, and you no longer have a free ride to camp. This means that you are going to have to sell 45 more candybars (now, hopefully you know that the tax will still count on the candybars you are going to have to re-sell in order to pay your way) The math is done like this: 250*2/3 = 166.67. Well, no one can only sell .33 of a candybar, so we round up one. We have to sell 34 candybars, but those 34 will then be taxed, so we multiply. 34*1.33333=45.33333 (we rounded up before, so now we can round down to 45). Maybe this can make a little more sense to all of you that can't think past the scope of a childhood education. Tina Why are you being rude? I see NO rudeness....simply someone with PATIENCE & Common sense taking the time to TRY to explain FACTS. Gratefulness is the word that should be able to be seen towards TIA...IMO.. Lindyy 
Then read the first and last sentence. |
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I'm poor AND stoopid
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Edited by
Drew07_2
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Sun 11/09/08 11:55 AM
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Why can't the rich pay a higher percentage of taxes than the poor??? Touche... UMMM, THEY ALREADY DO!!! Much higher tax percentage, the difference of 35% to 10%. 35 percent of a billion is **** compared to 25 percent of 18000 a year. With loopholes and all it aint the rich nor the po paying its the working poor and lower middle class.I live in the real America.Apparently some here live in Fantasyland.By the way I'm a moderate as are most here.By the way I don't want your damn money,I just want a break.If you guys are so worried ,get the IRS abolished and income tax so we can actually get the bucks we work for. But it's all relative as it relates to how much you earn. Let me ask you this--what is a fair percentage for the top 25% of wage earners to pay? 50%, 60%??--more? The person making a billion dollars a year is part of the Über-rich. Presumably he/she has worked their asses off for that money (not always, I realize, but most rich people didn't get rich by sitting around all day worried about what others are making) and they are (if paying 35% of one billion dollars, paying 350 million in taxes). That is a ton of money. Sure, they still have a lot left but that is the point. The only way to make the very wealthy pay in a way that would make some folks here happy seems to be to tax them to a point where they are taxed at a rate that reduces them to actually keeping next to nothing. But the real point here is that the poorest in this nation do NOT pay taxes. We have systems built in that allow them to receive back most if not all of their federal withholdings and then we have the child tax credit which is complete BS in that I don't understand why one penny of my tax dollars should be going to other people getting a break because they had kids. I pay my taxes and I don't cheat or lie about my income. The way it works is fine in that I know it will not change but I do want this "the rich should pay more" issue put to rest. As you can see from the numbers above, they DO pay more. That they are still rich after having done so seems to be what most are upset about. Oh, and if we are going to tax the rich more then I believe President-elect Obama should start first and set the example by giving half or more of his 4.1 million back to the government so that it can be distributed evenly. He won't (nor should he) but let us at least be consistent with our arguments. -Drew |
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Why are you being rude? There are so many people that think: Because someone made good money by working really hard to get it, they should then help the people who have not done anything with their life to make themselves better. There is already so much more taxes imposed on the people considered "wealthy", so again, I say - if more taxes are necessary to make the lower income families happy, what is the point to ever make something of oneself? Everything I have done to make myself something, then 1/2-1/3 of my earnings is given to someone who doesnt do anything for themselves. This is why I am irritated. Tina We all have different opinions. We share them on here. Part of being mature is to not act condescending or rude to others because their opinion is different from our own. |
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I'm poor AND stoopid Yeah, I know. 
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Why can't the rich pay a higher percentage of taxes than the poor??? Touche... UMMM, THEY ALREADY DO!!! Much higher tax percentage, the difference of 35% to 10%. 35 percent of a billion is **** compared to 25 percent of 18000 a year. With loopholes and all it aint the rich nor the po paying its the working poor and lower middle class.I live in the real America.Apparently some here live in Fantasyland.By the way I'm a moderate as are most here.By the way I don't want your damn money,I just want a break.If you guys are so worried ,get the IRS abolished and income tax so we can actually get the bucks we work for. Hmmmm...went to church this morning. The pastor was talking about how difficult the times are now. Told us that we were supposed to be helping those less fortunate than ourselves. There's a lot of passages in the Bible that say to do that too. |
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I'm poor AND stoopid Yeah, I know.
and I don't pay taxes. so as long as we're redistributing the wealth... |
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I'm poor AND stoopid Yeah, I know.
and I don't pay taxes. so as long as we're redistributing the wealth... You pay taxes every time that you purchase an item. |
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Edited by
Lindyy
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Sun 11/09/08 12:04 PM
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Hmmmm...went to church this morning. The pastor was talking about how difficult the times are now. Told us that we were supposed to be helping those less fortunate than ourselves. There's a lot of passages in the Bible that say to do that too. THE word is HELP & that is directed towards Christians.....DO NOT forget that Jesus said that if you do not work you do NOT eat!! NOW, THEREFORE, to-wit this 9th day of November, 2008, Lindyy hereby DECLARES & DECREES that, since the "DOOR HAS BEEN OPENED" by PRIOR postings, that the following excerpt from the Christians' Holy Bible be granted and entered into through posting as factual evidence and proffered freely and openly through said prior "OPEN DOOR" policy & legality: Proverbs 31: (Old Testament of Christian Bible) Epilogue: The Wife of Noble Character 10 [c] A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies. 11 Her husband has full confidence in her and lacks nothing of value. 12 She brings him good, not harm, all the days of her life. 13 She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. 14 She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. 15 She gets up while it is still dark; she provides food for her family and portions for her servant girls. 16 She considers a field and buys it; out of her earnings she plants a vineyard. 17 She sets about her work vigorously; her arms are strong for her tasks. 18 She sees that her trading is profitable, and her lamp does not go out at night. 19 In her hand she holds the distaff and grasps the spindle with her fingers. 20 She opens her arms to the poor and extends her hands to the needy. 21 When it snows, she has no fear for her household; for all of them are clothed in scarlet. 22 She makes coverings for her bed; she is clothed in fine linen and purple. 23 Her husband is respected at the city gate, where he takes his seat among the elders of the land. 24 She makes linen garments and sells them, and supplies the merchants with sashes. 25 She is clothed with strength and dignity; she can laugh at the days to come. 26 She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue. 27 She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the BREAD OF IDLENESS. ...................." SOCIALISM was NOT acceptable in the days PRIOR to, DURING or AFTER the days of Jesus Christ. THEREFORE, it is NOT deemed appropriate in current society...... BY The Opinion of Lindyy: __________________________Lindyy In Common Lay Terminology....WORK......and do your best & be Content with doing your best. Lindyy |
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Hmmmm...went to church this morning. The pastor was talking about how difficult the times are now. Told us that we were supposed to be helping those less fortunate than ourselves. There's a lot of passages in the Bible that say to do that too. THE word is HELP & that is directed towards Christians.....DO NOT forget that Jesus said that if you do not work you do NOT eat!! NOW, THEREFORE, to-wit this 9th day of November, 2008, Lindyy hereby DECLARES & DECREES that, since the "DOOR HAS BEEN OPENED" by PRIOR postings, that the following excerpt from the Christians' Holy Bible be granted and entered into through posting as factual evidence and proffered freely and openly through said prior "OPEN DOOR" policy & legality: Proverbs 31: (Old Testament of Christian Bible) Epilogue: The Wife of Noble Character 10 [c] A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies. 11 Her husband has full confidence in her and lacks nothing of value. 12 She brings him good, not harm, all the days of her life. 13 She selects wool and flax and works with eager hands. 14 She is like the merchant ships, bringing her food from afar. 15 She gets up while it is still dark; she provides food for her family and portions for her servant girls. 16 She considers a field and buys it; out of her earnings she plants a vineyard. 17 She sets about her work vigorously; her arms are strong for her tasks. 18 She sees that her trading is profitable, and her lamp does not go out at night. 19 In her hand she holds the distaff and grasps the spindle with her fingers. 20 She opens her arms to the poor and extends her hands to the needy. 21 When it snows, she has no fear for her household; for all of them are clothed in scarlet. 22 She makes coverings for her bed; she is clothed in fine linen and purple. 23 Her husband is respected at the city gate, where he takes his seat among the elders of the land. 24 She makes linen garments and sells them, and supplies the merchants with sashes. 25 She is clothed with strength and dignity; she can laugh at the days to come. 26 She speaks with wisdom, and faithful instruction is on her tongue. 27 She watches over the affairs of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness. ...................." SOCIALISM was NOT acceptable in the days PRIOR to, DURING or AFTER the days of Jesus Christ. THEREFORE, it is NOT deemed appropriate in current society...... BY The Opinion of Lindyy: __________________________Lindyy He says to help others!! |
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HELP!!!! NOT SUPPORT!!!!!! And I stated that at the beginning of my post!!!!
The Bible also states that the FAMILY of the Widowed is obligated to provide for the Widow...NOT the Nation, but the individual family 1 Timothy 5:4 4But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God 1 Timothy 5:16 If any woman who is a believer has widows in her family, she should help them and not let the church be burdened with them, so that the church can help those widows who are really in need. The FAMILY..the CHURCH...again NOT the NATION. Lindyy
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that only applies to Christians
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Edited by
tiamabreid
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Sun 11/09/08 12:24 PM
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HELP!!!! NOT SUPPORT!!!!!! And I stated that at the beginning of my post!!!! The Bible also states that the FAMILY of the Widowed is obligated to provide for the Widow...NOT the Nation, but the individual family 1 Timothy 5:4 4But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God 1 Timothy 5:16 If any woman who is a believer has widows in her family, she should help them and not let the church be burdened with them, so that the church can help those widows who are really in need. The FAMILY..the CHURCH...again NOT the NATION. Lindyy
Thank You, Lindyy! I would like you to know that I don't mind helping people in need. Every year, my family goes to a homeless shelter and buys Christmas gifts for the children living in these shelters. I specifically remember spending my entire Christmas day helping the younger children at a shelter learn how to ride their new bikes we had just bought them (amongst thousands of dollars worth of other gifts). Another year, I had (on my own, above and beyond what I helped my family do) gone to another shelter for young teen mothers, and not only did I buy gifts for all of those teen mother's children, but gifts for the teen mothers as well. Another year, we bought half of a department store for Christmas(clothes, toys, shoes, ...) for 24 children from low-income families. I am a very giving person on top of paying my taxes, but I don't give to the person who is demanding and expects it. Tina |
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that only applies to Christians Thank you....because the poster I responded to is, allegedly, a Christian....and should follow Christian doctrine. Lindyy
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I'm poor AND stoopid Yeah, I know.
and I don't pay taxes. so as long as we're redistributing the wealth... You pay taxes every time that you purchase an item. This thread is about FEDERAL INCOME TAXES....not sales taxes.... |
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I'm poor AND stoopid Yeah, I know.
and I don't pay taxes. so as long as we're redistributing the wealth... You pay taxes every time that you purchase an item. This thread is about FEDERAL INCOME TAXES....not sales taxes.... I was talking to him not you. |
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that only applies to Christians Thank you....because the poster I responded to is, allegedly, a Christian....and should follow Christian doctrine. Lindyy
Allegedly a Christian? 
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HELP!!!! NOT SUPPORT!!!!!! And I stated that at the beginning of my post!!!! The Bible also states that the FAMILY of the Widowed is obligated to provide for the Widow...NOT the Nation, but the individual family 1 Timothy 5:4 4But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents, for this is pleasing to God 1 Timothy 5:16 If any woman who is a believer has widows in her family, she should help them and not let the church be burdened with them, so that the church can help those widows who are really in need. The FAMILY..the CHURCH...again NOT the NATION. Lindyy
Thank You, Lindyy! I would like you to know that I don't mind helping people in need. Every year, my family goes to a homeless shelter and buys Christmas gifts for the children living in these shelters. I specifically remember spending my entire Christmas day helping the younger children at a shelter learn how to ride their new bikes we had just bought them (amongst thousands of dollars worth of other gifts). Another year, I had (on my own, above and beyond what I helped my family do) gone to another shelter for young teen mothers, and not only did I buy gifts for all of those teen mother's children, but gifts for the teen mothers as well. Another year, we bought half of a department store for Christmas(clothes, toys, shoes, ...) for 24 children from low-income families. I am a very giving person on top of paying my taxes, but I don't give to the person who is demanding and expects it. Tina - YOU are among other hard working & tax paying citizens who reach out & help those in need....KUDOS to you, although I am sure that you do this out of your HEART - NOT to be patted on the back for it. I sponsor a little girl in Brooklyn, NY through Metro Ministries.....she lives in a crime filled, drug inhabited ghetto "Bushwick." It HELPS provide food, clothing,school supplies, Thanksgiving & Christmas dinners & gift. The ministry HELPS and does NOT preach OBLIGATION..... I join in with you, I REFUSE to support those who do not EARN what they receive...... Lindyy
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