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Enters..Cautiousy look around the room. Backs out again!!!!!
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Touche Snarkytwain! I feel the same..mine is creatively driven!
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I agree. I don't think anyone has the right to the asumptions she had made, though. It HAS made me who I am, and that's probably why I will be able to get through just about anything. I would like to see a bright future, and that's all that really matters at this point. Tina I make assumptions from your posts because of how you come off towards people. It seems to me if you really had it as bad, you would be a more descent person and not degrade people. You are not any better then anyone on welfare. I won't argue with you cause I know I AM RIGHT. 
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Edited by
Drew07_2
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Mon 11/10/08 04:07 PM
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I agree. I don't think anyone has the right to the asumptions she had made, though. It HAS made me who I am, and that's probably why I will be able to get through just about anything. I would like to see a bright future, and that's all that really matters at this point. Tina I make assumptions from your posts because of how you come off towards people. It seems to me if you really had it as bad, you would be a more descent person and not degrade people. You are not any better then anyone on welfare. I won't argue with you cause I know I AM RIGHT.
You know, I see your point--thank goodness you just keep it mellow and non-elitist when typing things like, "I know I AM RIGHT." -Drew |
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Edited by
Drew07_2
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Mon 11/10/08 04:22 PM
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Funny how those who are against helping the poor seem to be unable to read or comprehend the posts of those of us who are saying that poor people DO work.  It's not a question of work ethic, it's a question of home life (children, no children, etc.), job market, career choice, etc. And this is simply a fact -- some people are better at math than others and can BE stock brokers. Others are great in school and especially science. Bravo you can be a doctor! My gifts lie in education and children. I'm a teacher. Does the fact that I make less mean my job is less important or that I am lazy? That is very flawed logic, IMHO.
It's funny to me how amazingly out of hand some of these posts have become. A post that started with the topic of the redistribution of wealth has, over time, turned in to a "he said, she said" soap opera which typically gets us nowhere. I have posted enough on this thread by I would be remiss if I did not go back to my main point. First, let me be clear about what I was not stating--and what no one here has. 1. No one is calling anyone lazy 2. No one is saying that "making it" is easy 3. No one is arguing that everyone is going to be wealthy beyond forever and have the easiest of lives. 4. No one is saying that there are any promises regarding tomorrow or the day after or the year after that. I argued and have yet to see a lucid argument against that the richest people in this nation, the top 25% of earners pay for 85% of this nation. That is MORE than a balanced and in fact is massively unbalanced. But there is another element here that is not being discussed. Let's say for the sake of dreaming and fantasy that all of us tomorrow were offered jobs at the rate of $350,000 a year. Obviously that is more than any of us make now (and if there is someone here who makes that, can I be your friend?) so you get that income and then you see the deductions. Let me ask you to all be honest when I ask--would any of you argue that you should pay MORE than what you'd be asked to pay? I wouldn't and my guess is that none of you would either. At that type of salary you'd be paying a ton in Federal tax. Now, I know many of you would give to charity and to causes in which you believed but that is separate from the taxes (save for write-offs)--no, I'm asking how many of you would send Uncle Sam an extra few thousand with a note attached that said--"Dear IRS--I make a lot and feel like S*** about it so I am sending some more. Please make sure it goes to a good cause." I am thankful that so few pay so much. I pay a pretty high tax rate but I am not rich. And I'm not calling people names who are on assistance (and I've searched this thread and no one has) so perhaps it's time to agree to disagree. I do think that there are personal decisions that affect the ability we possess to do more with our lives but I know people wealthy and poor and I know many of them are happy. I do want people to be able to work their way off of assistance because I know that most people on assistance have a lot to offer, that they want to work and contribute and that most of them are as good and caring as any people I'll find. That is not looking down on them. But pitying them is not raising them up either. I will help anyone I can as long as they are willing in turn to pay that forward by being in a position to help someone else---someday. Everyone be well. Drew |
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Funny how those who are against helping the poor seem to be unable to read or comprehend the posts of those of us who are saying that poor people DO work. It's not a question of work ethic, it's a question of home life (children, no children, etc.), job market, career choice, etc. And this is simply a fact -- some people are better at math than others and can BE stock brokers. Others are great in school and especially science. Bravo you can be a doctor! My gifts lie in education and children. I'm a teacher. Does the fact that I make less mean my job is less important or that I am lazy? That is very flawed logic, IMHO.
It's funny to me how amazingly out of hand some of these posts have become. A post that started with the topic of the redistribution of wealth has, over time, turned in to a "he said, she said" soap opera which typically gets us nowhere. I have posted enough on this thread by I would be remiss if I did not go back to my main point. First, let me be clear about what I was not stating--and what no one here has. 1. No one is calling anyone lazy 2. No one is saying that "making it" is easy 3. No one is arguing that everyone is going to be wealthy beyond forever and have the easiest of lives. 4. No one is saying that there are any promises regarding tomorrow or the day after or the year after that. I argued and have yet to see a lucid argument against that the richest people in this nation, the top 25% of earners pay for 85% of this nation. That is MORE than a balanced and in fact is massively unbalanced. But there is another element here that is not being discussed. Let's say for the sake of dreaming and fantasy that all of us tomorrow were offered jobs at the rate of $350,000 a year. Obviously that is more than any of us make now (and if there is someone here who makes that, can I be your friend?) so you get that income and then you see the deductions. Let me ask you to all be honest when I ask--would any of you argue that you should pay MORE than what you'd be asked to pay? I wouldn't and my guess is that none of you would either. At that type of salary you'd be paying a ton in Federal tax. Now, I know many of you would give to charity and to causes in which you believed but that is separate from the taxes (save for write-offs)--no, I'm asking how many of you would send Uncle Sam an extra few thousand with a note attached that said--"Dear IRS--I make a lot and feel like S*** about it so I am sending some more. Please make sure it goes to a good cause." I am thankful that so few pay so much. I pay a pretty high tax rate but I am not rich. And I'm not calling people names who are on assistance (and I've searched this thread and no one has) so perhaps it's time to agree to disagree. I do think that there are personal decisions that affect the ability we possess to do more with our lives but I know people wealthy and poor and I know many of them are happy. I do want people to be able to work their way off of assistance because I know that most people on assistance have a lot to offer, that they want to work and contribute and that most of them are as good and caring as any people I'll find. That is not looking down on them. But pitying them is not raising them up either. I will help anyone I can as long as they are willing in turn to pay that forward by being in a position to help someone else---someday. Everyone be well. Drew Thanx Drew. Very well said.:) |
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Funny how those who are against helping the poor seem to be unable to read or comprehend the posts of those of us who are saying that poor people DO work. It's not a question of work ethic, it's a question of home life (children, no children, etc.), job market, career choice, etc. And this is simply a fact -- some people are better at math than others and can BE stock brokers. Others are great in school and especially science. Bravo you can be a doctor! My gifts lie in education and children. I'm a teacher. Does the fact that I make less mean my job is less important or that I am lazy? That is very flawed logic, IMHO.
It's funny to me how amazingly out of hand some of these posts have become. A post that started with the topic of the redistribution of wealth has, over time, turned in to a "he said, she said" soap opera which typically gets us nowhere. I have posted enough on this thread by I would be remiss if I did not go back to my main point. First, let me be clear about what I was not stating--and what no one here has. 1. No one is calling anyone lazy 2. No one is saying that "making it" is easy 3. No one is arguing that everyone is going to be wealthy beyond forever and have the easiest of lives. 4. No one is saying that there are any promises regarding tomorrow or the day after or the year after that. I argued and have yet to see a lucid argument against that the richest people in this nation, the top 25% of earners pay for 85% of this nation. That is MORE than a balanced and in fact is massively unbalanced. But there is another element here that is not being discussed. Let's say for the sake of dreaming and fantasy that all of us tomorrow were offered jobs at the rate of $350,000 a year. Obviously that is more than any of us make now (and if there is someone here who makes that, can I be your friend?) so you get that income and then you see the deductions. Let me ask you to all be honest when I ask--would any of you argue that you should pay MORE than what you'd be asked to pay? I wouldn't and my guess is that none of you would either. At that type of salary you'd be paying a ton in Federal tax. Now, I know many of you would give to charity and to causes in which you believed but that is separate from the taxes (save for write-offs)--no, I'm asking how many of you would send Uncle Sam an extra few thousand with a note attached that said--"Dear IRS--I make a lot and feel like S*** about it so I am sending some more. Please make sure it goes to a good cause." I am thankful that so few pay so much. I pay a pretty high tax rate but I am not rich. And I'm not calling people names who are on assistance (and I've searched this thread and no one has) so perhaps it's time to agree to disagree. I do think that there are personal decisions that affect the ability we possess to do more with our lives but I know people wealthy and poor and I know many of them are happy. I do want people to be able to work their way off of assistance because I know that most people on assistance have a lot to offer, that they want to work and contribute and that most of them are as good and caring as any people I'll find. That is not looking down on them. But pitying them is not raising them up either. I will help anyone I can as long as they are willing in turn to pay that forward by being in a position to help someone else---someday. Everyone be well. Drew Well said, Drew. I shall mention about what you see "as funny as to how they got out of hand". It is a combination of three threads. Hope that helps you. |
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you mother F**ker drew, how dare u say that, u dont know the half of what u are talking about. NO, just joking, that was great, well said
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