Unless you major in law, med, or computers...there really is no point to it.

Computers: These hackers who, well, hack...most of them never went to college, they just play with computers all day and theyre SMARTER than the people who work for the government with Masters! The government guys make anti-hacking software, then the hackers always find ways to get through it! So....do you really need college for computers either??

Or law, all you need is common sense to be a lawyer, and most lawyers dont have common sense. The law these days is a joke, a 17 year old goes to jail for getting blown off by a 15 year old??? Innocent people go to jail all the time, innocent people get executed. Lawyers only defend you because you're paying them too. If the other guy paid your lawyer double to go against you, he'd do it! And bankruptcy lawyers...do I even need to explain? If you wanna file for bankruptcy, you have no money! So why do they charge you $2000 to file?! And now, the case of Casey Anthony being charged with murdering her daughter...yet they havent even found a body! How do you charge someone with murder when you havent even found a dead body?! The law is such a joke! I think, if you go to jail and years later you are found to be innocent, the government should pay you a million per year you were in jail AND fire the prosecutor, instead of saying "sorry man, you're free to go".

Business, do you really need a Masters to know how to manage a business, when there are people who barely graduated high school and own their own business? Finance...do you really need a Bachelors to know how to manage money?! I think...people should just get associates degrees.

So many people are going to graduate college, forget everything they learned, and decide to change their career paths. So many people opt to go to graduate school, get their masters, PhD....for what? When you graduate, you're gonna have so much money in college debt to payoff, and unless you majored in law, med, or computers, u probably wont make anywhere near enough to pay it off.

If you go to Europe, half the kids there dont go to college (63% to be exact), yet they have way more fun than we do and live much more comfortably than we do. The majority of these jobs, all you need is a month of on-the-job training, and you're set. These hispanics who live around our area and cant even speak English, go and cut someones lawn and make 30 dollars for the 45 minutes it takes him to cut it. Meanwhile, you're making 25 an hour to sit at a computer wearing a suit and tie for 40-60 hours a week. I get to wear shorts and a sleeveless shirt (personal trainer and massage therapist). I also dont have to kiss a$$ and suck up to my boss. I also dont work 50-70 hours a week and claim "omg i love my job!" and then party on friday nights because "i need to let loose"....oh you poor thing.

Ive never met people with such little street-smarts and issues with being bitter, than office job people. These people seem to think in the ****ty economy we live in, that its a BAD thing to live at home! Look, if you refuse free rent from your parents, you're a moron. I was talking to a buddy of mine about girls, and he was talking about all these slutty girls he knows and he was saying "they are good girls though, very well educated, some with PhDs and Masters...", and I said "if they were so smart, they wouldnt be sluts". In the office job world, everyone kisses ass and sucks up to their boss, then talks so much **** behind closed doors.

Companies want you to think they wont hire you unless you go to college and study a bunch of courses you'll never need. Sara graduated with a 99%, and Joe the Plumber graduated with a 72%, and they both got the same degree, whats the difference? No employer is ever going to ask for your grades, and they also wont ever call your college to make sure you graduated. I cant count how many times I told an employer during an interview that i have a BA, and they never asked to see it, and STILL offered me the job. Ive seen ads for jobs that a monkey could do, and the company says "must have a BA in...", and im like "why?!...a monkey could do that!". They think that by going to college, you become a better all around person...when in reality, you become an alcoholic and party slut or party jerk. My cousin is married to a girl with a Doctorate, and shes had 6 reckless driving tickets in the past 7 years, and all she talks about is how her and her lawyer friends get together and get smashed.....wow, smart people.

The office job field is its own little world. You gotta dress a certain way to your interview, act a certain way, you cant do this, cant do that, you gotta suck up to your boss, you work monday thru friday and 8-4 or 9-5, and by the time you get home you're so stressed you dont wanna do anything. 2 days ago I got off work and drove down to Baltimore for the afternoon.

You the employees are much more superior than your bosses. There's 2-3 bosses, and 4000 employees. So who do you think would win in an argument? If you want a pay raise and you're sick of kissing ass, simply STOP WORKING and go on strike til you're CEO decides to give you a pay raise. Why is it that airline pilots, lawyers, doctors all go on strike to get higher pay raises (yet they make ENOUGH), yet the people who make **** money, never go on strike??? Continue kissing ass, hating your job, and not standing up for yourself and i promise you, you'll suffer for life. EVERYWHERE i go, 80% of people HATE their jobs and job life. Thats sad...

Supervisors, bosses, executives, managers, etc...are full of crap. I used to have a job where I worked at 7am, and one time I had to work at 4am. My boss complained that I wasnt doing much and being too quiet and lazy......at 4am. Hmm, I wonder why someone would seem lazy at 4am?! I mean, were these bosses born yesterday? ITS 4AM!! They pay you crap money, and expect you to work your ass off, thats ridiculous. I used to work for UPS back in the day as an unloader making $8.50, and the supervisor pulled me over to the side once and was like "you need to be here exactly at 6, you need to do this, do that, bla bla bla" as though I was some slave. I told him "dude, i make $8.50 an hour, thats enough for me to just COME to work. And who cares if im a minute late, get over it." ....Yes, i got fired. But they dont fire you for being stupid, they fire you because they are scared. They see I stand up for myself unlike everyone else, and they think "Oh gosh this guy is good, he has leadership qualities, he may take my job someday, so i should fire him before he gets noticed". Its true, people! If you prove to be smarter than your boss, you'll be fired.

Look what happened when the government bailed out all these companies, the executives gave themselves huge bonuses and parties, and you the employees got nothing. Those exec's with their Doctorates and Masters, wow they sure are SMART, right?

You wanna know why so many of you work too much? Because you're materialistic. You have to have the top of the line car, the best apartment, you party constantly, you gotta have the best HDTV. I drive a car that costs me under 20K, and i have a standard TV, and i dont spend $8 for a small drink at a bar and party constantly. I know a girl who pays $350 a month for rent in a house with 4 people...and shes HAPPY.

Book smarts will only take you so far. Street smarts is what you need to survive life. And common sense. Most people in college, have ZERO of those ive learned. If your job is stressful, if you hate it, if you come home and just want to "let loose" or relax all night and not go anywhere, you're doing something wrong. Your job isnt supposed to be your life. And the more education you have, the more your job WILL be your life. And dont forget, a Masters is great and all, but all these employers are "at-will employers"...so if you go to a party one night and do something stupid, that Masters wont help you keep your job.

A relative of mine has a Masters in Business, and got a great job with Booz Allen, and 6 years later he lost it and now he works at a grocery store stocking aisles. Another cousin of mine majored in psychology, and is getting his masters in education and hes a school teacher making 40K, with loads of college debt. I have another relative who didnt even graduate high school, who now owns his own landscaping business and makes a ton of money...more than my relatives who have degrees.

All a degree says is, you went to college and took courses you'll never need, and spent the money which ull now need to pay back...and ur job doesnt pay enough to let you pay it off comfortably. (Especially if you go to GW and pay 65K a year). Go look up online, the best doctors and lawyers in this country, they didnt go to Harvard, Yale, or Princeton. When you start a job, regardless of what it is, you go through at least a few weeks of on-the-job training! So whats the point of the college degree??

Rather than study something you dont care about, do what you love. You could go to school for under a year and become a mechanic, a personal trainer, massage therapist, HVAC Technician, etc...and they pay GREAT. People gotta start standing up for themselves, and stop kissing a$$. The gym I work at, we rarely see the owner, but everytime he comes in, everyone who works there jumps up and kisses his a$$, and I...just keep doing what Im doing and say "oh hey Jim whats up?". Whereas everyone else goes "Hi Sir, how are you? Can I get you some coffee?". WOW, seriously people, these companies wont stop using you until you all stand up for yourself. Companies dont lay off workers because theyre losing money, they lay off workers because the CEO is making 2 million instead of 20 million, and that makes him sad.

If theres anything ive learned in my years of existence on this earth, its that people get dumber by the day, and people have no idea what they are doing anymore. And you cant argue that, just wake up every morning and watch the news....EVERYDAY, someones been stabbed, shot. EVERYDAY theres at least 10 accidents because people dont know how to drive and are too impatient. EVERYDAY, roads are packed no matter where you go, even on weekends, because people dont know the meaning of "stay home and save your money", instead they all gotta go out and spend. EVERY month theres a school shooting because people dont know how to treat one another. I mean come on people, GROW UP! Life isnt about money and college.

And lastly, another thing ive learned is...the more friends you have, the worse off you are. The more friends you have, the more chances you have of getting involved in trouble and getting peer pressured into things you dont wanna do. People with loads of friends cant think for themselves, they always gotta do what their "friends" want. And when people care too much about fun fun fun, they forget their values, beliefs, morals, whats right and wrong. So yeah, that PhD can get you a nice job, but hanging out with the wrong crowd will get you fired and working a crap job. I know TONS of people who've been a victim of it.

But as usual, dont listen to the people who make sense, who tell it like it is, who tell the truth. Just be in denial and not be able to handle the truth and listen to your 'friends' who in 15 years from now, wont even remember your name. Or the moment you die doing something stupid, or get in deep trouble, they dont know you anymore.

I hear what you're saying, but you're gonna have to work a LONG time to get to be "in charge" with only street smarts.

From a guy who's "been there.....done that"

I did not read the post only the title.....

It is proof that you can set a long term goal...(Graduation/Degree)...and then achieve it....

This speaks volumes about the type of person you are or will become....

Getting a degree shows that you have goals, can work toward them and stick to them.

It used to be that a high school diploma was all you needed to get a "foot in the door".

For MANY years now, it has been the college degree that has been the ticket to get someone to look at you seriously for employment.

When I owned my computer company, college graduates were a dime a dozen. And most of them I interviewed weren't even working in their field.

You can't gawk at having education. It's the only thing that NO-ONE can take away from you!!

wow, I didn't read the whole rant.


but did you ever think that some of us like higher education.... we strive for knowledge... we strive to produce new knowledge through research.... that we enjoy teaching.... we don't mind wearing business casual for the rest of our lives... that some of us won't feel fulfilled until we have obtained the highest degree.

Just because something isn't for you, doesn't mean that it isn't for someone else. If you want to do something else... go do it.... go live in europe..... go run around naked at the beach... I don't care... as long as you aren't hurting anyone else.... go do what makes you happy.

I was just hired at a Marketing firm two days ago... This job would guarantee me a Management position (Owning my own Marketing office) in about a years time, meaning I will be LOADED. I'm actually about to call them to resign because for the first year you have to do door to door sales. I did not get my college degree in Psychology to go selling **** to people, and I'm not one to push people so needless to say I wouldn't make much commission. What it comes down to is doing something you love, I've been fighting with myself for a few days over whats more important, pleasing my materialistic side or pleasing my intellectual side, and I'm opting for the Intellect.

A college degree implies a number of qualities which aren't always a result of college, but are much more likely to be found in a graduate. It also means you don't have to be trained 'on the job' in the concepts that are required to do the job.

I've seen even low level jobs where they do not care about experience, but you'd better have a degree, even if it was in Underwater Basketweaving.

I agree...why go to college, when you can always be a manager at McDonalds with only a High School diploma...? dont waste your time or money in higher education...a career in fast food administration is right at your fingertips...

Ive learned a lot in college. I think you are showing your bias, JMNSHO

There is no way you could do my job with a month of OJT.

But I do get a couple of your points. Here is the problem.

What does an employer know about you before you get an interview . . . . . NOTHING.

So if you have no education, then why should I as the employer waste my valuable time to interview you?

Bottom line is the world is competitive, you must compete.

College is where the competition is going . . . .

Its really a lot more simple then you make it out to be.

I am a good example. NO college for computers. I work in IIT, however I have been to boot camps that cost $8K+ . . . .

If you had tried to learn everything that I learned in those boot camps . . . it would take you YEARS.

If not college then you need to show you have been actively learning the trade and can demonstrate a mastery in certain skills . . . . .

At the end of the day, it requires money to afford masters to show you the way and explain where people go wrong in learning it on there own.

Computers are no different, many techs I meet have poor, or just plain incorrect concepts of software and technology becuase they have only learned on there own . . . and they make less then me because of it.

VERY good!!!!!! I agree completely!!!! WTG Tanya!!!!

I just want to know what you are majoring in?
If in attendance, if not, why does it bother you?

it depends on whether you see college as a place to get a piece of paper (as you seem to)

or if you see college as a place to learn something

K, did not read your ridiculously long post. No need.

The point of college... it is very simple. To teach critical and abstract thought. To see the forest through the trees. To play the game and follow the rules.

Duh.

exactly!

a lot of it is the field you pursue. if you're getting a business degree, specialize in finance, accounting (like me, because there's always going to be taxes), or international business instead of marketing or management like most do. the specializations set you ahead in certain arenas and you have to chase specific jobs. i understand that there's always the MBA guy with the job at target but I guarantee there's a job for him somewhere - you just have to be willing to sacrifice and move to some podunk town in BFE to get started. the rise to the top is a lot easier with a degree once you get started - it's just the getting started that's most difficult.

business degrees teach much more than how to handle money and really don't teach you how to run a business but they do teach you theories and things to look for. by opening your mind to these other ideas and viewpoints and methods, you will be better in your job. I personally have learned and am still learning a lot as i continue school. sure, a lot I could have learned on-the-job but then again, most jobs are there for work, not to teach. that's more for the skilled trades that don't have many schools.


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and I have to say computers is the one thing you can be stupidly successful in with no degree. I used to do basic stuff on the side and the income from that almost matched what I made in my real job - the only difference is I only worked about 6 hours a week on computers vs. 32 doing retail.

I also have to disagree with the idea that everyone that goes to college ends up being some partier or developing a lack of street-smarts. I've worked my way through college (and still work) as a mechanic. I worked my ass off and became an ASE master tech with a california smog license at 22. I still work 6 days a week and will soon be back to a full load at a college I drive 45 minutes to likely 4 nights a week that I'm paying cash for. many of us do become better people because of school - it has forced me into a program that has taught me dicipline. I screwed around partying for at least 4 years out of high school. College is the one thing that has brought me back to center.

Go to college...get some knowledge...find something to do...

If they can make penicillin out of old moldy bread...they can sure make something out of you...