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Topic: doesn't "Jesus is God" goes against God's law
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 10/24/08 08:49 PM
well then i guess this begs the question: do you believe in plurality of anything? remember "Tribo" to believe is to doubt .... so can you give some examples of things that exist beyond mind and/or faith in a state of plurality

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Fri 10/24/08 08:52 PM Edited by SkyHook5652 on Fri 10/24/08 08:53 PM
Well, I won’t argue with that. So, since you chose to use the “change” analogy, you’ll have to explain to me how it is relevant to the explanation of the Trinity because I don’t understand it. "Skyhook" that's the point...you are trying to explain religious beliefs using scientific facts No, I was trying to explain religious beliefs using analogy not "scientific facts". If you misunderstood that then I hope it is clear to you now.

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/24/08 08:53 PM Edited by tribo on Fri 10/24/08 08:54 PM
Everything i see, touch, taste, or smell has plurality Funch, in fact i'm having a hard time thinking of any thing that is not of a plural nature in this world, be it animal, vegtable or mineral. So i'm not quite sure what your getting at?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 10/24/08 09:00 PM
Well, I won’t argue with that. So, since you chose to use the “change” analogy, you’ll have to explain to me how it is relevant to the explanation of the Trinity because I don’t understand it. "Skyhook" that's the point...you are trying to explain religious beliefs using scientific facts No, I was trying to explain religious beliefs using analogy not "scientific facts". If you misunderstood that then I hope it is clear to you now. "Skyhook" ..the Trinity is based in faith ..ice to water to steam is based in scientific fact ..faith is not require to know that ice can change to water ...but faith is required to believe that Jesus is God which is why your analogy to blend the two concepts was not a workable one

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 10/24/08 09:05 PM
Everything i see, touch, taste, or smell has plurality Funch, in fact i'm having a hard time thinking of any thing that is not of a plural nature in this world, be it animal, vegtable or mineral. So i'm not quite sure what your getting at? so in other words "Tribo" you can't name anything that exist beyond mind and or faith in a pluralistic state

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/24/08 09:07 PM
Everything i see, touch, taste, or smell has plurality Funch, in fact i'm having a hard time thinking of any thing that is not of a plural nature in this world, be it animal, vegtable or mineral. So i'm not quite sure what your getting at? so in other words "Tribo" you can't name anything that exist beyond mind and or faith in a pluralistic state you've lost me funch, exactly what is it your asking?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 10/24/08 09:16 PM
Everything i see, touch, taste, or smell has plurality Funch, in fact i'm having a hard time thinking of any thing that is not of a plural nature in this world, be it animal, vegtable or mineral. So i'm not quite sure what your getting at? so in other words "Tribo" you can't name anything that exist beyond mind and or faith in a pluralistic state you've lost me funch, exactly what is it your asking? "Tribo" you are the one that brought up plurality ..I just simply ask for some examples of the concept that exist beyond the mind and/or faith ...you giving an example of taste testing food equates to existing in your mind and not beyond

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/24/08 09:31 PM
funch: ..I just simply ask for some examples of the concept that exist beyond the mind and/or faith ... okkkkkkkkkkk? then you give me an example of what you mean by "existing beyond mind or faith" please?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 10/24/08 09:44 PM
funch: ..I just simply ask for some examples of the concept that exist beyond the mind and/or faith ... okkkkkkkkkkk? then you give me an example of what you mean by "existing beyond mind or faith" please? "Tribo" why bring up concepts that you can't give examples to and then expect me to explain your own concepts to you or you could take the easy route and simply admit plurality exist as your delusion

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/24/08 09:50 PM
funch: ..I just simply ask for some examples of the concept that exist beyond the mind and/or faith ... okkkkkkkkkkk? then you give me an example of what you mean by "existing beyond mind or faith" please? "Tribo" why bring up concepts that you can't give examples to and then expect me to explain your own concepts to you or you could take the easy route and simply admit plurality exist as your delusion i'm asking for an example because i don't understand what your saying funch? if you don't wat to give me one that's up to you.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 10/24/08 10:19 PM
i'm asking for an example because i don't understand what your saying funch? if you don't wat to give me one that's up to you. "Tribo"..I've already given you an example of something that doesn't exist beyond the mind and/or faith ...it's called delusion .... so now can you give examples of your concept or just admit you can't

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Fri 10/24/08 10:30 PM
i guess i cant

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Sat 10/25/08 12:04 AM Edited by SkyHook5652 on Sat 10/25/08 12:06 AM
Well, I won’t argue with that. So, since you chose to use the “change” analogy, you’ll have to explain to me how it is relevant to the explanation of the Trinity because I don’t understand it. "Skyhook" that's the point...you are trying to explain religious beliefs using scientific facts No, I was trying to explain religious beliefs using analogy not "scientific facts". If you misunderstood that then I hope it is clear to you now. "Skyhook" ..the Trinity is based in faith ..ice to water to steam is based in scientific fact ..faith is not require to know that ice can change to water ...but faith is required to believe that Jesus is God which is why your analogy to blend the two concepts was not a workable one My analogy made no reference to or mention of changing states. That's your analogy. If you want to use that analogy, go ahead. But don't expect me to agree with it.

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funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/25/08 06:35 AM
Well, I won’t argue with that. So, since you chose to use the “change” analogy, you’ll have to explain to me how it is relevant to the explanation of the Trinity because I don’t understand it. "Skyhook" that's the point...you are trying to explain religious beliefs using scientific facts No, I was trying to explain religious beliefs using analogy not "scientific facts". If you misunderstood that then I hope it is clear to you now. "Skyhook" ..the Trinity is based in faith ..ice to water to steam is based in scientific fact ..faith is not require to know that ice can change to water ...but faith is required to believe that Jesus is God which is why your analogy to blend the two concepts was not a workable one My analogy made no reference to or mention of changing states. That's your analogy. If you want to use that analogy, go ahead. But don't expect me to agree with it. ...er.. Skyhook"..you used the analogy of ice to water to steam ..so can you explain how that can be accomplish without the substance "changing" from one state to another ..you also used the word "manifestation" ..which it may be a tad bit hard for something to manifest without "changing" states you have to accept the fact that it's just not wise to try and explain religious concepts using scientific fact ...since religion is based in faith and not fact it's somewhat delusional to attempt to explain one using the other

AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Sat 10/25/08 10:31 AM
I've never heard that Jesus is God. I grew up with "Jesus is Lord". Lord,God, Elvis Pressely... it's all the same If you are operating on the assumption that "Lord", and "God" mean exactly the same thing, then there isn't any way that the concept of the Trinity could possibly make sense to you. As I understand it, the three are simply different manifestations of the same substance. Like ice, water and steam are simply different manifestations of the same substance. Nice analogy when speaking of perhaps a lesser being... i.e human like jesus... But god is not the water/steam/ice... rather is god (that which is is all)... the water, the heat that drives it to steam, the atoms that make both the water and the heat, and the substance that holds all of the above... I have often wondered why it is that humans continually attempt to limit god to their understanding... even before they get a grip on their understanding of being human...

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Sat 10/25/08 10:48 AM Edited by SkyHook5652 on Sat 10/25/08 10:48 AM
Well, I won’t argue with that. So, since you chose to use the “change” analogy, you’ll have to explain to me how it is relevant to the explanation of the Trinity because I don’t understand it. "Skyhook" that's the point...you are trying to explain religious beliefs using scientific facts No, I was trying to explain religious beliefs using analogy not "scientific facts". If you misunderstood that then I hope it is clear to you now. "Skyhook" ..the Trinity is based in faith ..ice to water to steam is based in scientific fact ..faith is not require to know that ice can change to water ...but faith is required to believe that Jesus is God which is why your analogy to blend the two concepts was not a workable one My analogy made no reference to or mention of changing states. That's your analogy. If you want to use that analogy, go ahead. But don't expect me to agree with it. ...er.. Skyhook"..you used the analogy of ice to water to steam Sorry but that is just plain not true. I never used “to” in my analogy. You came up with your own analogy that used “to”. you have to accept the fact that it's just not wise to try and explain religious concepts using [analogy] Well I will certainly agree that that has been the case when discussing it with you.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 10/25/08 11:58 AM
Sorry but that is just plain not true. I never used “to” in my analogy. You came up with your own analogy that used “to”. "Skyhook" now you are just plainly decending into nickpicking ...for something to change it has "to" .. Well I will certainly agree that that has been the case when discussing it with you. which hopefully is an indication that you will not resort to doing it

tribo Joined Mon 05/12/08 Posts: 5577	Sat 10/25/08 12:23 PM
Jesus clearly made statements that prove that he was not God or a God ..but The Trinity is used by some to claim that Jesus is God ..since God invoke the rule not to worship any others but him as God then doesn't worshiping Jesus as God violate God's law surely some will dispute that Jesus made any such statements but what are some statements in the bible made by Jesus that can not be disputed that he was not God my response to this your original post. NO!

SkyHook5652 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 4063	Sat 10/25/08 02:47 PM
Sorry but that is just plain not true. I never used “to” in my analogy. You came up with your own analogy that used “to”. "Skyhook" now you are just plainly decending into nickpicking Again, not true. (That or you misunderstood me.) You are the one who introduced an analogy that included "state change". (You said "ice 'to' water 'to' steam") My analogy made no reference to, mention of or implication regarding that state change (I said "ice, water 'and' steam"). So if you are arguing that an analogy which includes state change is invalid, then we agree.