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Topic: Pro Life?....
Giocamo's photo
Mon 10/20/08 02:58 PM
well those are the few I want to play poker with...lol

Etrain's photo
Mon 10/20/08 02:59 PM







smokin pro...none of my damn business...or choicesmokin

Yes...I completely agree...none of my damn business!!!!

You know...I think it isn't our business unless we agree to carry the embryo for 9 monthssmokin


well, thats just impossible...isn't it???smokin

I'm not sure...not a Dr...lets see what everyone else is sayingsmokin

do letssmokin smokin smokin

These people all raise good points...the pro choice ones anyhowsmokin

I agree completely...anti abortion(pro-life) people probably smoke crack???

Etrain's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:01 PM








smokin pro...none of my damn business...or choicesmokin

Yes...I completely agree...none of my damn business!!!!

You know...I think it isn't our business unless we agree to carry the embryo for 9 monthssmokin


well, thats just impossible...isn't it???smokin

I'm not sure...not a Dr...lets see what everyone else is sayingsmokin

do letssmokin smokin smokin

These people all raise good points...the pro choice ones anyhowsmokin

I agree completely...anti abortion(pro-life) people probably smoke crack???

No...they just like to judge...crack has nothing to do with it...I think anyhowsmokin

bergeia's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:01 PM
they dont smoke crack so much as they just want something to ***** about? i dont know ive known a few pro-life people who were nice, but they can neevr argue a point home. im fine with whichever path you walk, just dont try to foist yer stuff on me! lol

izzie's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:03 PM


excuses...excuses...double protection, and there are still accidents ?...damn !...some pretty unlucky people out their...gulp !!!


I know a few.
my youngest was the result of birth controll and a condom...

Winx's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:05 PM



excuses...excuses...double protection, and there are still accidents ?...damn !...some pretty unlucky people out their...gulp !!!


I know a few.
my youngest was the result of birth controll and a condom...



Why do some people doubt that that can happen?frustrated

It's rotten luck but it happens.

AutonomousW's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:05 PM
personally I think in cases of rape or medical reasons and stuff its a viable option, but if its a situation where some one just isnt "ready" I dont think its such a great thing, I think those people should have to have the child and give it up for adoption.

izzie's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:07 PM

personally I think in cases of rape or medical reasons and stuff its a viable option, but if its a situation where some one just isnt "ready" I dont think its such a great thing, I think those people should have to have the child and give it up for adoption.
setting laws such as that tho would just increase the number of times that someone makes false rape charges just so they can have the abortion and make it even worse for victoms of real rapes...

Winx's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:36 PM


personally I think in cases of rape or medical reasons and stuff its a viable option, but if its a situation where some one just isnt "ready" I dont think its such a great thing, I think those people should have to have the child and give it up for adoption.
setting laws such as that tho would just increase the number of times that someone makes false rape charges just so they can have the abortion and make it even worse for victoms of real rapes...



Hmm...I never looked at that way before.

bergeia's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:38 PM

personally I think in cases of rape or medical reasons and stuff its a viable option, but if its a situation where some one just isnt "ready" I dont think its such a great thing, I think those people should have to have the child and give it up for adoption.



ntm not every kid gets adopted, then it falls on the tax payers to feed clothe and help those kids, which leads to bigger taxes, which is less money which is less people able to take care of kids, but no one will stop having sex, so thats more kids for adoption.

Plainome's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:42 PM
Edited by Plainome on Mon 10/20/08 03:48 PM
I am pro-choice for one, and one reason only.

1. I do not feel that I, or the government, has the right to tell another what they can or can not do with their body.

All other reasons, are not so important, imo. Would I choose to, I hope never......but that doesn't give me the right to take the choice away from someone else.

Yes, a baby dies, imo........however I feel that there are worse things in life than death. We all die.........it is just a matter of when.

Do I think it teaches people lack of responsibility, yes........but just because they go through with the birth of a child doesn't somehow miraculously make someone responsible. Look at all the irresponsible parents we have in the world.

In some senses, I feel that "choice" is less of a "choice" and more the lack of them. I do feel that we should make alternatives available in every way possible. Adoption, help for mothers that would like to keep the baby but feel overwhelmed because of financial situations, etc.

I also feel that every person seeking an abortion should have unbiased counseling before they make their final decision. Counseling that gives accurate information, and offers alternatives but leaves it up to the woman to decide for herself. That counseling would include what happens to a woman's body during an abortion (and somewhat the baby, though not too detailed).

Some women have abortions and then later when they want children can not conceive........though I think the complications are less than what they used to be, abortion does have some major negative consequences. The woman needs to be making the decision because it is what she wants, and not because she feels like she has no other option, or because she feels forced into it. If she does under those circumstances it can have some major mental health implications..........

As I said, unbiased counseling of what actually happens both physically and mentally.......and non-judgmental support whatever the decision is.


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Mon 10/20/08 03:45 PM


personally I think in cases of rape or medical reasons and stuff its a viable option, but if its a situation where some one just isnt "ready" I dont think its such a great thing, I think those people should have to have the child and give it up for adoption.
setting laws such as that tho would just increase the number of times that someone makes false rape charges just so they can have the abortion and make it even worse for victoms of real rapes...



absolutely, reporting rape is already a taboo for alot of women, throw in a few more false charges and no victim will ever be believed ESPECIALLY if she is pregnant.


Lily0923's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:47 PM

I also feel that every person seeking an abortion should have unbiased counseling before they make their final decision. Counseling that gives accurate information, and offers alternatives but leaves it up to the woman to decide for herself.




In Ohio if a woman goes in for an abortion she is counseled and cannot come back in less than 24 hours to have the proceedure.

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Mon 10/20/08 03:49 PM
Ohhh and she has to watch the video.... and then there are the protestors outside telling her what a horrible person she is. The ones carrying the jars with fake fetuses in there... just to make sure she feels bad enough already.

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Mon 10/20/08 03:50 PM




{{{{IZ}}}}

Bravo to you for coming out and telling the truth on such a touchy subject..

Lets just say that those with out a uterus HAVE NO IDEA how hard the decision you made was.. They can NOT possibly fathom the agony you went thru in making that decision...so dont let em get to you

All I have to say to you , is you did what was right for YOU !!! HUGE HUGS FOR YA DARLIN!!!!


I am pro-life for me, but pro-choice for everyone else, I have a different story.

I wanted my whole life to be a mother, I got married I was married for four years and we decided it was time to start trying. I lost 2 children the third stayed with me, at 28 weeks of pregnancy I had blood clots in my lungs three of them, they did everything they could, I am also diabetic and have had weak kidneys in the past, with all the meds they pumped into me, I slipped into a coma at 30 weeks.

My daughter was taken C-section while I was in a coma, my ex husband was my power of attny. Before the C-section he signed papers to have my tubes tied cut and burned so that I would never have to go through it again. (not his choice, my choice but whatever) My daughter was born two months premature and was on a ventilator and in an incubator for weeks, her tiny little body couldn't survive on it's own. I went through a series of blood transfustions and my health was destroyed for about 2 years after, my kidneys shut down from the meds. (I'm fine today)

I went through that, and would do it again in a heartbeat to have my angel on earth, the love of my life, the reason I breath....but would I subject someone else to that? NO that's not for me to decide. I was given the option to abort for my own health and at the time they thought my life, I refused I put my faith in the Goddess to get me through what she took me to. I didn't chose wrong FOR ME.

I respect women's rights ALL women, if I agree with them personally or not. Who am I to judge someone for making a decision about HER life? I would be a pretty sh*tty person to judge.

For all of you anti-choicers out there.... It is sad that you don't have any compassion in your hearts for people.

and as Missy said if you don't have a uterous....IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.


I'm sorry about what has happened to you, and I hope all is better, but you are only looking at one point of view. Now imagine a girl, raped by her uncle, pregnant. Doesnt matter if she has a hard time having kids, she's not going to want that kid. And what if the doctors tell you that having this kid would be like having a vegetable? and so on...


In all honesty that happens very, very rarely.


WTF do you know? Just because it hasnt' happened to you, doesnt mean it doesnt happen at all.

Plainome's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:51 PM


I also feel that every person seeking an abortion should have unbiased counseling before they make their final decision. Counseling that gives accurate information, and offers alternatives but leaves it up to the woman to decide for herself.




In Ohio if a woman goes in for an abortion she is counseled and cannot come back in less than 24 hours to have the proceedure.


I don't think that is too much to ask. People tell you to "sleep on it" with most major decisions in life.....abortion is no different.

Some states require more...........but I think 24 hrs is good.

bergeia's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:51 PM
im confused over the uterus comment though myself. are women getting pregnant sans sperm these days? lol. look if i could carry the baby i would, honestly i swear if im lying i would love ot get hit by a truck. i would. but i cant, so ok. dont go off and kill my baby because you might feel were nto ready for it. maybe i want a kid. maybe i really would love a child. ntm any woman who got pregnant by me the child would be a miracle. lol.

Plainome's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:56 PM

Ohhh and she has to watch the video.... and then there are the protestors outside telling her what a horrible person she is. The ones carrying the jars with fake fetuses in there... just to make sure she feels bad enough already.


Well, I consider this to be "harassment"..........and I've never actually been to a clinic.

One way to solve this problem is to not have abortion "clinics"......but that is just an opinion. If they are done somewhere other health care is given, then it would be less likely that these people would congregate.

I don't know. If it is your right and your choice, and you don't want someone taking that right away from you.............you have to consider, is it "right" for you to want to take the freedom of speech away from others??

There are always going to be people who use "love" as a mask for their hate. IMO, to show "love" for an unborn baby, but not the mother is hypocritical............but what do you do??

As I said, the only thing I can think of is to close down clinics who "specialize" in abortion..........and just have it done at a regular health care establishment.

The fact that people know what you are there for when you walk in, is imo, an invasion of privacy...........but what do I know?

izzie's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:57 PM
yep you want the baby.. but she is the one who has to carry the baby. she is the one who cannot touch her toes for at least 3 months. she is the one who has to change every bit of her thinking for the next 9 months.. or more if the baby goes full term.. ANd what happens to the baby if something happens to you in the next 9 months.. say you die.. or meet someone who is incredible and everything you ever wanted.. but she doesnt want this baby that has been carried to term by a woman who didnt want it in the first place... or get in trouble with the law and are now in jail.. what then!?!?


just a thought.. but do you HONESTLY want a woman to cary a baby to term that does not want the baby??
who knows what she is doing.. AND how what she is doing will affect the baby!!


just some food for thought...

Ruth34611's photo
Mon 10/20/08 03:59 PM
Pro-choice but hate abortion.

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