for christ sake im not eve pro-life. i just want some ****ing say in the matter. whats so hard to understand about that?

for christ sake im not eve pro-life. i just want some ****ing say in the matter. whats so hard to understand about that?

thats fine. but why is it were all saying men have no say? if we dont, have fun having babies solo when you do want them. im all for owmen's rights, and i wish i could be the one to carry the baby since i would hate for the woman i love to go through the ordeal (that ive seen several times so i do know what it entails.) but its not my fault whatever made us gave women the crappy parts?

thats fine. but why is it were all saying men have no say? if we dont, have fun having babies solo when you do want them. im all for owmen's rights, and i wish i could be the one to carry the baby since i would hate for the woman i love to go through the ordeal (that ive seen several times so i do know what it entails.) but its not my fault whatever made us gave women the crappy parts?

and its not our fault that you cannot carry the baby..
ultimately its MY body.. and I will be making any choices that concern it..

thats fine. but why is it were all saying men have no say? if we dont, have fun having babies solo when you do want them. im all for owmen's rights, and i wish i could be the one to carry the baby since i would hate for the woman i love to go through the ordeal (that ive seen several times so i do know what it entails.) but its not my fault whatever made us gave women the crappy parts?

First off back it up Jack, I am very proud to be a woman, I love being a woman and I don't consider any part of it crappy.

However, with that said, I am the owner and operator of my body, I will install a new engine or parts as I see fit, I won't have a Foreign mechanic telling me what to install in my domestic body hear what I'm saying? You don't know the make up, you don't understand the mechanisms and you don't have the same timing. So don't touch my vehicle or give your opinion because it is off and not a true statement of what it is about....

When I was with my husband we made the decision to have my daughter, we both went into it willingly, unfortunatly we broke up and everything was civil UNTIL he had to start paying child support, now all of a sudden he thinks I'm living lavishly because he "pays me"....

You can fight and argue all you want, but the fact remains, the responsibility of raising the child falls (MOST OF THE TIME)on the mother, when that changes.....

IT'S MY DECISION, MY BODY, AND MY CHOICE,

the law supports my view in this matter, so your "thoughts" don't make one bit of difference to the subject.

First off back it up Jack, I am very proud to be a woman, I love being a woman and I don't consider any part of it crappy.

However, with that said, I am the owner and operator of my body, I will install a new engine or parts as I see fit, I won't have a Foreign mechanic telling me what to install in my domestic body hear what I'm saying? You don't know the make up, you don't understand the mechanisms and you don't have the same timing. So don't touch my vehicle or give your opinion because it is off and not a true statement of what it is about....

When I was with my husband we made the decision to have my daughter, we both went into it willingly, unfortunatly we broke up and everything was civil UNTIL he had to start paying child support, now all of a sudden he thinks I'm living lavishly because he "pays me"....

You can fight and argue all you want, but the fact remains, the responsibility of raising the child falls (MOST OF THE TIME)on the mother, when that changes.....

IT'S MY DECISION, MY BODY, AND MY CHOICE,

the law supports my view in this matter, so your "thoughts" don't make one bit of difference to the subject.

thats fine. but why is it were all saying men have no say? if we dont, have fun having babies solo when you do want them. im all for owmen's rights, and i wish i could be the one to carry the baby since i would hate for the woman i love to go through the ordeal (that ive seen several times so i do know what it entails.) but its not my fault whatever made us gave women the crappy parts?

Son, we create life. I woudnt exactly say we got the short end of the stick.

I will state my peace one last time in here and then wash my hands of it simply because I'm not here to change anyone's mind nor force my views on others, but to just state my personal views and experience with the topic.

First of all...

Lastly, FYI, and this is very personal for me to share - but, yes, I did choose celibacy after this tragic incident in my life until my wife entered my life several years later.

In closing:

Let it be known again - I am PRO CHOICE, and always will be. I respect a woman's body, and will always support her choices about her physical being. I believe many circumstances warrant abortion; however, NOT all.

I never once got angry with my lover at the time or was even remotely belligerant that she MUST give birth to our child (50/50 right...or am I wrong here too?). We talked, we cried, and I stood up to the plate with every viable option...including marriage, full financial coverage of medical bills and child support, as well as offering to care for and raise the child ALONE if need be because I was financially able to do so and so deeply wanted this child that was a part of her AND me.

In the end, I had no choice but to respect and support HER choice. Yes, I paid fully for the abortion and follow-up visits (privately, not an abortion clinic, so my beloved would receive the best possible care offered). Yes, I was with her through the whole process, supporting her every step of the way - even though I was completely heartbroken.

It was posted by a woman above more eloquently than one of my posts - but, I do tend to wonder why is it considered fair when a woman decides on her own to have a child against a man's wishes due to whatever reason he may give (i.e., don't want kids, can't afford it, not ready yet, whatever) that he MUST then commit his life and his earnings to raise said child? Why is it that the man is automatically dubbed the sh*thead because it was a decision made by one - which he ultimately had no say in? As a person - and a MAN - I do not see this as equitable, and never will.

Lastly, again, I have since fathered three beautifully amazing children which I devote my life to, support and co-parent lovingly and effectively.

I also went through a horrible and life-threatening eptopic pregnancy with my wife. With my three current children, I was there for every doc's appointment, every Lamaze lesson, each labor/delivery, late nite and early morning puke sessions with my wife, taking on the burden of all household chores when she was too weak, tired or sick, midnight feedings, diaper changings, round the clock care when our daughter was born breach with two club-feet and caused my wife to go septic during and after childbirth, taking on a 3rd job to cover my daughter's medical expenses for corrective surgeries, etc., etc., etc.

Women are amazing beings, blessed with the gift of childbirth abilities, but they by no means corner the market on parenting.

And, yes, I do shed a tear nearly every day for the child I lost years ago due to supporting my lover's ultimate "decision" to abort our child. I ask each woman to think for just a brief moment - WHAT IF - the roles were reversed? How would you feel if you were told "you have NO say in this, even though half of what is growing inside of MY womb is YOU?" You seem to stand all high and mighty behind what your body endures...but, stop and think for a moment about your partner's heart. Again, I would take a leaky bladder (or whatever) over my broken heart any day. But, that's just me - a man - without a uterus.

So, go ahead...laugh and heckle at me again if you must. I can say proudly, as most of you women who suffered hardship during pregnancy often say, that I would not change a thing as I stare into my children's faces. But, I will forever wonder and grieve alone my unknown child's face and soul that I will never get to hold, see, experience...ever.

Over and out!

Sister? You women do NOT create life exclusively! At least not without the short or long end of a MAN'S *stick*! Just a little trip down the birds and bees lane for you.

Well, unless you are named "VIRGIN Mary"!

you my good man have my upmost respect and admiration. thank you for showing that there are real MEN whom would be willing to go through all that you have endured WITH your partners..
unfortunately you are NOT the norm in this world..
although it definately should be!

I notice some have asked in here "why aren't the men responding?" If you take a quick recap at some of the women's responses in here, I think you can sumise the *why* on this topic: men's opinions are mostly not regarded, nor very welcomed or more importantly even remotely respected.

I will state my peace one last time in here and then wash my hands of it simply because I'm not here to change anyone's mind nor force my views on others, but to just state my personal views and experience with the topic.

First of all...

For Lily:

All I can say is WOW - I thought *I* was being harsh in here, but given your blantant laughter and borderline cruel heckling to my last post, you have me beat by 100 miles, not to mention crossing the line into *soul-less*. Yet, you appear comfortable in bashing others for "judging" and being "incompassionate"?

Lily, you state in your first post that "all I ever wanted to be was a mother", correct? Why am I so different than you for possessing the same deep desire as a man to be a father?

You further state you endured great physical hardship during your pregnancy and birth (of which, I'm very sorry and am honestly glad you regained your health); however, you didn't mind because of the beautiful gift you received of your "angel of a daughter", right? Why am I so different than you to have stated I would also endure all the difficulties I would potentially face to give birth to such a beautiful gift of a child if I were physically able to do so? What in your heart made this so "laughable" to you?

For Papersmile:

I respect your comments, however if you had read my previous posts you would see I take (took) full responsibility for MY sperm being 50% of the culprit for impregnating my lover at the time. My comment to Lily stating "I'm NOT responsible for what happens to a woman's body during pregnancy/childbirth" is simply that - I was NOT the creator/inventor of how a woman's body handles pregnancy. I am NOT *God*. However, I do resent being treated as an idiot and held prisoner to this fact simply because I do not possess a uterus and told over and over and over again that I can no way "relate" to it. I never once, nor ever will, profess I can relate.

Lastly, FYI, and this is very personal for me to share - but, yes, I did choose celibacy after this tragic incident in my life until my wife entered my life several years later.

In closing:

Let it be known again - I am PRO CHOICE, and always will be. I respect a woman's body, and will always support her choices about her physical being. I believe many circumstances warrant abortion; however, NOT all.

I never once got angry with my lover at the time or was even remotely belligerant that she MUST give birth to our child (50/50 right...or am I wrong here too?). We talked, we cried, and I stood up to the plate with every viable option...including marriage, full financial coverage of medical bills and child support, as well as offering to care for and raise the child ALONE if need be because I was financially able to do so and so deeply wanted this child that was a part of her AND me.

In the end, I had no choice but to respect and support HER choice. Yes, I paid fully for the abortion and follow-up visits (privately, not an abortion clinic, so my beloved would receive the best possible care offered). Yes, I was with her through the whole process, supporting her every step of the way - even though I was completely heartbroken.

It was posted by a woman above more eloquently than one of my posts - but, I do tend to wonder why is it considered fair when a woman decides on her own to have a child against a man's wishes due to whatever reason he may give (i.e., don't want kids, can't afford it, not ready yet, whatever) that he MUST then commit his life and his earnings to raise said child? Why is it that the man is automatically dubbed the sh*thead because it was a decision made by one - which he ultimately had no say in? As a person - and a MAN - I do not see this as equitable, and never will.

Lastly, again, I have since fathered three beautifully amazing children which I devote my life to, support and co-parent lovingly and effectively.

I also went through a horrible and life-threatening eptopic pregnancy with my wife. With my three current children, I was there for every doc's appointment, every Lamaze lesson, each labor/delivery, late nite and early morning puke sessions with my wife, taking on the burden of all household chores when she was too weak, tired or sick, midnight feedings, diaper changings, round the clock care when our daughter was born breach with two club-feet and caused my wife to go septic during and after childbirth, taking on a 3rd job to cover my daughter's medical expenses for corrective surgeries, etc., etc., etc.

Women are amazing beings, blessed with the gift of childbirth abilities, but they by no means corner the market on parenting.

And, yes, I do shed a tear nearly every day for the child I lost years ago due to supporting my lover's ultimate "decision" to abort our child. I ask each woman to think for just a brief moment - WHAT IF - the roles were reversed? How would you feel if you were told "you have NO say in this, even though half of what is growing inside of MY womb is YOU?" You seem to stand all high and mighty behind what your body endures...but, stop and think for a moment about your partner's heart. Again, I would take a leaky bladder (or whatever) over my broken heart any day. But, that's just me - a man - without a uterus.

So, go ahead...laugh and heckle at me again if you must. I can say proudly, as most of you women who suffered hardship during pregnancy often say, that I would not change a thing as I stare into my children's faces. But, I will forever wonder and grieve alone my unknown child's face and soul that I will never get to hold, see, experience...ever.

Over and out!

And your point? From a biological standpoint, it requires one male to impregnate several females. Not to mention now we have the capability to simply "milk you" and freeze your semen for a more convenient point in time for US, not you. The male mammal is far more expendable in that respect as it relates directly to the propagation of the species. Your bodies do not create jack. You are sperm donors. That was my point sir.

yeah? good luck milking an unwilling man,lol.


im sorry if i seemed harsh, but i agree with breathless, it would be nice if men's views were evaluated as opposed to disregarded outright. women want equal rights. inculding the ability to ***** about child birth and to complain about periods. fine im a guy i wanna ***** about my sperm being an odd color, i wanna ***** about ym balls sticking to my leg i wanna complain about sitting down quickly and my testicles get sat on.