Ah, easy to say, as you don't truly have to worry about it. No offense, but when reality hits, your decision may change.

Yes, you may want a child, and if you choose not to date someone who is pro-choice, that is your business......

But, you can have a child with someone else..........

I mean, I think you should be able to tell "her" how you feel, but forcing her to have your baby is no different than raping her...........

You may want a child, but that doesn't mean she has to be the mother of it.

Another good reason why you should actually know, and know well the people you choose to sleep with.

That's so easy to say since that will never be an option for you...

Then comes the raising of the child.

I'd like to urinate standing up sometimes too, but I can't.

well i see you dont like my view, but wth? since when am i just out of the equation? all i want is to be ehard, i said if i could i would carry the baby, not ym fault pregnancy sucks oh well. what happens if she dies? what happens if i dide? etc etc, well if i die shes set i got alot of lif einsurance. its my ****ing kid too.


im not saying force to have it, far from it, but whats with all the "uterus power" floating around? im not allowed to want the child? deliver it and give it to me then i will raise it myself.

Most hospitals want nothing to do with it other than as an emergency procedure. They don't want the hassles of protesters. And many hospitals (all of them around here) are associated with a church. Often the Catholic church.

Did you read my post??

If you feel that strongly about it..........don't have sex with women who may decide to get an abortion. It is as simple as that. There are lots of them out there............

Ummmm, possession is nine tenths of the law. You heard this?

If it was your body it would be the same. And under the law, you have no say. I see what you mean, but it is sort of a moot point.

geez thats a fantastic idea, i can make that my opening line

" pro choice or life?"


and your political view of it wont last past the first few motnhs. she might be pro life and decide shes not ready etc.


LOOK: all im saying is it takes 2 to make a baby, why dont i get any say in the child's fate?

I didn't say it would happen.........

Yeah, associated with a "church" meaning they have some sort of morality, that's laughable.......how come they send people home to die because they can't afford certain treatment then??

where i went was a "planned parenthood" facility..
it did not specalize only in abortion.. it also deals with fertility.. helping people get pregnant who cannot.. birth controll.. abortion.. std testing.. kind of a catch all clinic...

and the protesters were horrible people..
there was a couple who came in at about the same time as i did.. and they were there because she couldnt get pregnant.. and they were looking into options.. and someone aucutualy spit on her..

i was in the waiting room with them.. she was the sweetest woman i have ever met in my entire life..
it was my 3rd visit to the clinic as i could not decide if this was exactly what i wanted. i asked her how she would feel knowing that someone like me was having an abortion when someone like her could not get pregnant.. and she said someting i will never forget.. simple words.. but still

"who am i to judge.. i have not always had a perfect life.. i have skellitons in my closet as well. if you are doing what you feel is best for you and for your family.. who would ANYONE else be to judge you for the decisions you make"

(possibly not a word for word quote.. but close)
i went home that night and pondered.. woke up with my baby (3 months old at the time) he had an ear infection.. i cried all night long..
and went and had the precedure done the next day..


so i ask you all..


who are you to judge.. have you always been perfect in your lives!?

I have decided that all men should have one testicle removed whether they want to or not, it is my law and no one is to argue with me.

One testicle is to be removed. Period amen end of story, I don't care if it is your body. It's the law and I will enforce it.

Give me a break.

I won't tell you what to do, and you won't tell me what to do, and if by some act of Goddess and Congress you as a man are able to carry a child, more power to you, until then YOU DON'T COUNT.

Sorry but it's true.

Are you against the morning after pill, too?

Ok, ummmmmmm, you get a "say" you just don't have the final decision.

See, it's like this, since it is her body.......she has veto power.

Sorry, but days of women being "slaves" is over.

No one is saying they don't understand you're point of view.

Flip it around.............you don't want a chld. IF you absolutely did not want a child...........then would you want someone to pressure you or force you into having one??

You said, you weren't talking about "force", but what do you call it when she definitely doesn't want it.

You could present your feelings to her, tell her you'd be willing to raise it.........it is up to her if she is willing to live with that or not.

Sorry, but that is the power she has...........

Again, that is why it is important for you to be careful who you have sex with.

That is where your choice is.

If she isn't ready........then you can choose to not have sex, as pregnancy is always a chance you take when having sex.

See, you want the "choice" but you don't want to have to follow any guidelines to ensure that you have one........or to at least increase the power of your "feelings" and "views".

Yes, a woman can be pro-life, in love with you, been with you for four or five years..........and for some reason when she gets pregnant want to abort.

Such is life. You have no promises............ Security is a facade. Without violence and FORCE, you can not control other human beings, now matter how much you'd like to.

Nobody, at least not in the situation you're presenting, FORCED you to sleep with her, get her pregnant...........so you have a choice and therefore a responsibility in

1. Who you sleep with.

2. Making sure you want the same things out of life.

3. If your sleeping with her, making sure she is, in your opinion, someone who would make a good mother.

4. Making sure that whatever happens you will take responsibility for your part in life.

See, too many people (including myself) go around mating (though it was my husband, who is an ex now) with little consideration to whether or not this person would make a good parent, and if they are ready for such a responsibility yet.

Though I think those are two really important things to consider when you're talking about having a child with someone.

Or, would you rather her go through with the pregnancy, then be a horrible mother, who at the end of her rope........knowing she wasn't ready to begin with, abuses the child to death??

Yeah, but people know that Planned Parenthood has a part in abortions. There are actually churches who compare Planned Parenthood to the antichrist. I really wish people would realize that it is only their actions that they are held accountable for..........

I used to be pro-life, and thought abortion was equivalent to murder........until I did some research, read some personal testimonies for both sides. Took an written arguments class, lol. I couldn't do my paper on it, because I was torn.

The only thing I could not explain away, or point out BOTH sides of the story for...........was the fact that it is a woman's body.........I have two children. Childbirth and pregnancy are MAJOR life events, without actually raising the child. A woman's brain, hormones, EVERYTHING changes. Your body will never be the same again, NEVER. To try and force that on someone is wrong imo.

Plus I came to the realization, that it is this woman that has to live with the consequences of her decision.......whatever they are. If she has it she is "Mom" for the rest of her life. Her life is not her own anymore. If she has an abortion, she has to let go, forgive herself, and deal with judgments of people who may find out. She's the one that will wonder "what might have been".

I'm not willing to do either for her.........even if I could, it is her life.

Besides, I personally believe that every "baby" that is meant to be born..........will be, even if a mother decides to abort, they will simply be given to another.......but that is my personal view.

Life is full of hard choices. Who am I to judge someone elses, when I have enough trying to judge my own.

It is not for me to decide what a woman should do.
I also believe that until you (pro life) have adopted one of these unwanted children, you really have not put your money where your mouth is, and your opinion is then pretty much meaningless.

honestly.. that was very well put.

for christ sake im not eve pro-life. i just want some ****ing say in the matter. whats so hard to understand about that?

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