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Does it say that Christian should try to convert everyone? I know it say spread the gospel but does that mean bash everyone else beliefs? If Jesus was trying to preach Love, then why are many Christians filled with hate?
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It's a shame that this has been your experience...because we are all not like that. I have many friends on this site and some that I talk to on messenger and we have very different beliefs...one is Jewish, one is agnostic, some are listed as other or not-religious...But I still treat them with the same dignity and respect as I would anyone who was a Christian. I think a lot of people have taken the idea of what is "right and wrong" and made it a reason to cause conflict. I'm all about loving everyone though. Jesus loves them all...even if we feel they are in the wrong...we should too.
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Jesus never told anyone to try to convert anybody.
That's one of the biggest misconceptions ever. It's actually against what Jesus taught to do that. Jesus specifically said to walk away from those who aren't interested. Those were his specific instructions. So those who preach to people who clearly aren't interested are blatantly spitting in the face of Jesus. They're on their own. Jesus isn't behind them at all. |
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It's a shame that this has been your experience...because we are all not like that. I have many friends on this site and some that I talk to on messenger and we have very different beliefs...one is Jewish, one is agnostic, some are listed as other or not-religious...But I still treat them with the same dignity and respect as I would anyone who was a Christian. I think a lot of people have taken the idea of what is "right and wrong" and made it a reason to cause conflict. I'm all about loving everyone though. Jesus loves them all...even if we feel they are in the wrong...we should too. |
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It doesn't say that anywhere in the bible. The early Christians gave witness to Christ's teachings and performed miracles because they were being persecuted by the Romans; it was a defensive sort of strategy, in other words.
Try not to blame Jesus for the excesses and foolishness of the organised religions that grew up around his teachings. If you read the bible as it pertains to Christianity, you'll see that Jesus wasn't at all trying to mass market his ideas. yours in Chaos, Scarlett |
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Jesus never told anyone to try to convert anybody. That's one of the biggest misconceptions ever. It's actually against what Jesus taught to do that. Jesus specifically said to walk away from those who aren't interested. Those were his specific instructions. So those who preach to people who clearly aren't interested are blatantly spitting in the face of Jesus. They're on their own. Jesus isn't behind them at all. |
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HMM?? - interesting, he may not have told the deciples to "convert" anyone - but he did instruct them to preach the "Gospel" [good news] to all the nations, which paul and the other's did.
As for door to door evangelizing - that is man's doing for sure, i wonder sometimes if the phrase - "behold i stand at the door and knock" in revelations was their motive? it surely did not mean door to door evangelism in any way shape or form. |
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Edited by
tribo
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Tue 09/30/08 02:21 PM
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In or at the beginning of the church era, people were to be drawn by the lives of the believers, none of them outside the apostles and those associated with them directly [Barnabas, timothy, etc..] were preaching the what? - "gospel" there humble ives and daily actions were the key to growing the community of believers. life and worship then was extremely different -for example Justin martyr writes around 120 ad the following:
J.Martyr: And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. >>>And the """wealthy""" among us help the needy;<<< tribo - And the WHO?? ^^^^ and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. >And they who are """well to do""", and willing, give what each thinks fit;< TRIBO: notice above this as to tithing or giving!! and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration. TRIBO: if church was like this today - no one would be complaining of what's being done. |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Tue 09/30/08 06:19 PM
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Jer 31:32-34
My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says Yahweh. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know Yahweh,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says Yahweh. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." NKJV This is the prophecied coming of the Holy Spirit. What does it say. He will put his law in thier minds and write them on thier Hearts. Then The Law has been done away.. What a shame. Heb 8:10-12 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know Yahweh,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." NKJV |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 09/30/08 07:51 PM
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 Jer 31:32-34 My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says Yahweh. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know Yahweh,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says Yahweh. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more." NKJV This is the prophecied coming of the Holy Spirit. What does it say. He will put his law in thier minds and write them on thier Hearts. Then The Law has been done away.. What a shame. Heb 8:10-12 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know Yahweh,' for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more." NKJV Miles...ANY christian who tells you that the Law has been DONE AWAY WITH, is in ERROR!!! Ok? We Christians Do NOT Believe the LAW has been Done away with....NO.....Just the Opposite.....We Believe Jesus Came to FULFILL the LAW... NOT do Away with the Law !!! HOWEVER !!!! AFTER we Accept Jesus as Our Lord and Saviour ( I call the Messiah Jesus and you call Him by His Jewish Name Yeshua), We ar No longer under THE LETTER OF THE LAW ....but we are NOW UNDER GRACE, AFTER SALVATION. And we NOW KEEP the Law, Written on the Tablets of our heart, out of LOVE for the Lord Now ,and NOT because the law tells us we HAVE to obey !!! See what I am saying?? IF WE LOVE GOD ,WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS!! THAT STILL APPLIES AFTER WE ARE SAVED..BUT AGAIN , WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER BONDAGE TO THE "LETTER OF THE LAW". Miles...trying to Keep the Law, or trying to live under ther letter of the law ,is NOT the way to Salvation....cause NO man is able to keep the Law. And God Knew we would not be able to keep the law.....that is where Jesus(Yeshua) comes in...remember? But ,as I already stated, once we are truly Saved, we WANT to Keep the Law... cause we want to please the Father.... out of LOVE for Him!! Ok? BUT...If we sin(and yes... man will still mess up from time to time), we have an advocate with the Father thru Christ Jesus.... that if we confess our sins, He is Faithful and Just to forgive us our sins...and cleanse us from all our unrighteousness. But of course, a true born again christian is NOT gonna want to KEEP on sinning..NOT if He is truly born again and Loves God , he won't. Miles...You say Yeshua .. we christians say Jesus.....otherwise, we are speaking the same Word of God. But once again...... trying to keep the law , WITHOUT first becoming born again,isn't gonna get you saved, Miles....ok? Jesus said, You MUST be born again.... Be Blessed Now, Miles. 
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Tue 09/30/08 08:08 PM
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Some say Potato..some say Patato...
but either way you say it... a potato is still a potato..... and not corn !!! |
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Some say Potato..some say Patato... but either way you say it... a potato is still a potato..... and not corn !!! you sat mater i say Motter - mater ,motter, tater toter - lets call the whole thing off!! 
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Does it say that Christian should try to convert everyone? I know it say spread the gospel but does that mean bash everyone else beliefs? If Jesus was trying to preach Love, then why are many Christians filled with hate? I don't know any christians who are filled with hate. It's actually the first indication that someone is not a christian if they are filled with hate. No one converts anyone. Anyone who is a christian already knows this. |
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Shalom Morningsong
The letter of the law though is not in the law Mark 7:9-13 9 He said to them, "All too well you reject the commandment of Yahweh, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' 11 But you say, 'If a man says to his father or mother,"Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban" — ' (that is, a gift to Yahweh), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of Elohim of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do." NKJV Matt 23:1-12 Then Yahshua spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. 4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.' 8 But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. NKJV These are examples of the Letter of the law. It is against us. Because the leaders made up thier own laws. They wanted to be above the people. Even going so far as is done to day wanting to be called Father as if you were little children to them. He even speaks of them sitting in Moses Seat. This means looking out for the people and teaching them the law. But they went beyond the law. Just as the Jews do and many groups do with thier non biblical traditions. The law is Holy Though. James 2:8-13 8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment. NKJV The Royal Law is Kept by The Royal Priesthood. 1 Peter 2:9-10 9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of Yahweh, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. NKJV Blessings of Shalom...Miles |
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Does it say that Christian should try to convert everyone? I know it say spread the gospel but does that mean bash everyone else beliefs? If Jesus was trying to preach Love, then why are many Christians filled with hate? some people are just overly enthusiastic about the "good word"... 
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Does it say that Christian should try to convert everyone? I know it say spread the gospel but does that mean bash everyone else beliefs? If Jesus was trying to preach Love, then why are many Christians filled with hate? because they are not christians. they are pharisaic fundies who try to send to hell everybody. an absolutely distorted view of the message of my Lord. |
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Does it say that Christian should try to convert everyone? I know it say spread the gospel but does that mean bash everyone else beliefs? If Jesus was trying to preach Love, then why are many Christians filled with hate? The whole "bible thumping" portion of conversion, or the whole blood-thirsty conversion by force that occurred at times, seems to be an old testament holdover. And even in the old testament, it was somewhat different. As the Hebrews were settling and 'pacifying' the lands God had led them to, they were told to get rid of the unbelievers. And they did this pretty much by decimating the populations. They made a truce with one group the Canaanite people, and the result was religious tensions. It is interesting to note that God seems to treat the gods of the Canaanites as more 'real' than the gods of the Egyptians. But there also seems to be a certain amount of extra-Biblical anthropological and archaeological evidence to support the concept that the Hebrew religion and Hebrew God actually evolved from the Canaanite pantheon rather than independently. The hold over of the exterminate or force the conversion of others is obvious in the colonization of the Americas. And those who have chosen the evangelical and fundamentalist forms of Christianity will often portray milder forms of this model. They won't go out and force conversion at gun point. But I've seen people become friends with non-Christians, only to latter take that friendship back because the person would not see "reason" and convert to their way of being. Which leads me to believe the person was a false friend all along. Now there are many Christians that do not feel the need to convert at all. They live in a Christian manner and can still have friends that believe differently from them and it does not alter their Christian beliefs to have friends who are not. And yes, I've been to a few Churches that say having non-Christian friends will eventually corrupt you or your actions, so you shouldn't ever be friends with non-Christians. In the end, it comes down to the fact there are good and bad in every group of people. I try not to paint everyone with the same brush based on one portion of experiences. I try to take everyone on a one on one basis. Because no two sets of events are identical. |
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Shalom Morningsong The letter of the law though is not in the law Mark 7:9-13 9 He said to them, "All too well you reject the commandment of Yahweh, that you may keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' 11 But you say, 'If a man says to his father or mother,"Whatever profit you might have received from me is Corban" — ' (that is, a gift to Yahweh), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, 13 making the word of Elohim of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do." NKJV Matt 23:1-12 Then Yahshua spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, 2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. 4 For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments. 6 They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, 7 greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.' 8 But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ. 11 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. NKJV These are examples of the Letter of the law. It is against us. Because the leaders made up thier own laws. They wanted to be above the people. Even going so far as is done to day wanting to be called Father as if you were little children to them. He even speaks of them sitting in Moses Seat. This means looking out for the people and teaching them the law. But they went beyond the law. Just as the Jews do and many groups do with thier non biblical traditions. The law is Holy Though. James 2:8-13 8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment. NKJV The Royal Law is Kept by The Royal Priesthood. 1 Peter 2:9-10 9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of Yahweh, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy. NKJV Blessings of Shalom...Miles And who is the "royal preisthood" if not those who believe in christ? Do you think they are a special people set aside by god within the other believers or separated from the rest? |
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Does it say that Christian should try to convert everyone? I know it say spread the gospel but does that mean bash everyone else beliefs? If Jesus was trying to preach Love, then why are many Christians filled with hate? |
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Some say Potato..some say Patato... but either way you say it... a potato is still a potato..... and not corn !!! |
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