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MarcusMisfit's photo
Thu 09/11/08 09:17 PM
And I highly mean that. The following post may not exactly agree with your beliefs but I urge you to keep an open mind and hear me out. I'm not here to preach or convert, just discuss. If you feel that this page is a bit extreme, please leave, please don't slam what I have to say.

-Satanism-

It's a bit of a touch subject but I try to get the information out because when so many people hate me for what I believe in...it's frustrating.

First of all.. Satanism isn't about sacrificing animals, people, or anything of that nature. Satanism focuses on individualism and avoiding herd conformity. It's not about complete anger and hatred and being mean to everyone and everything. I understand that the name itself is something not many talk about, only because they believe that the name itself invokes the worship of a Satan or a Devil. While in some cases this is true, there are many paths of Satanism that believe that "Satan" is just an expression of your inner personality and carnal desires. Satanism is about our natural human instincts in which a lot of religions try to shun us away from. It's about indulgence instead of abstinence.

I myself am a Satanist and I bear no shame in sharing with you. I hope that what little I have said will not affect how you see me as a person.

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Thu 09/11/08 09:24 PM
Thank you for sharing. It is always good to learn more about different beliefs and religions that individuals practice. Welcome to the site.

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Thu 09/11/08 09:26 PM
Our ancestors not only had their god-factories, but they made devils as well. These devils were generally disgraced and fallen gods. Some had headed unsuccessful revolts; some had been caught sweetly reclining in the shadowy folds of some fleecy cloud, kissing the wife of the god of gods. These devils generally sympathized with man. There is in regard to them a most wonderful fact: In nearly all the theologies, mythologies and religions, the devils have been much more humane and merciful than the gods. No devil ever gave one of his generals an order to kill children and to rip open the bodies of pregnant women. Such barbarities were always ordered by the good gods. The pestilences were sent by the most merciful gods. The frightful famine, during which the dying child with pallid lips sucked the withered bosom of a dead mother, was sent by the loving gods. No devil was ever charged with such fiendish brutality.

One of these gods, according to the account, drowned an entire world with the exception of eight persons. The old, the young, the beautiful and the helpless were remorsely devoured by the shoreless sea. This, the most fearful tragedy that the imagination of ignorant priests ever conceived, was the act, not of a devil, but of a god, so-called, whom men ignorantly worship unto this day. What a stain such an act would leave upon the character of a devil! One of the prophets of one of these gods, having in his power a captured king, hewed him in pieces in the sight of all the people. Was ever any imp of any devil guilty of such savagery?

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/gods.html

MicheleNC's photo
Thu 09/11/08 09:27 PM
Be what you are and what makes you whole.

Thanks for sharing. Indulgence is a good thing.

flowerforyou M

MirrorMirror's photo
Thu 09/11/08 09:27 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Thu 09/11/08 09:37 PM
The first account we have of the devil is found in that purely scientific book called Genesis, and is as follows: "Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made, and he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden; but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die. For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat. And the Lord God said Behold the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life: and eat, and live forever. Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the Garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. So he drove out the man, and he placed at the east of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword, which turned every way to keep the way of the tree of life."




According to this account the promise of the devil was fulfilled to the very letter, Adam and Eve did not die, and they did become as gods, knowing good and evil.



The account shows, however, that the gods dreaded education and knowledge then just as they do now. The church still faithfully guards the dangerous tree of knowledge, and has exerted in all ages her utmost power to keep mankind from eating the fruit thereof. The priests have never ceased repeating the old falsehood and the old threat: "Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die." From every pulpit comes the same cry, born of the same fear: "Lest they eat and become as gods, knowing good and evil." For this reason, religion hates science, faith detests reason, theology is the sworn enemy of philosophy, and the church with its flaming sword still guards the hated tree, and like its supposed founder, curses to the lowest depths the brave thinkers who eat and become as gods.



If the account given in Genesis is really true, ought we not, after all, to thank this serpent? He was the first schoolmaster, the first advocate of learning, the first enemy of ignorance, the first to whisper in human ears the sacred word liberty, the creator of ambition, the author of modesty, of inquiry, of doubt, of investigation, of progress and of civilization.

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/gods.html

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Thu 09/11/08 09:29 PM
If it works for you, that is all that matters. I prefer to not believe in deities at all, that works best for me.

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Thu 09/11/08 09:32 PM

If it works for you, that is all that matters. I prefer to not believe in deities at all, that works best for me.

I concur

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Thu 09/11/08 09:40 PM
I myself don't follow the path(s) that believe in a Satan as a deity. If you have heard of the man, Anton Szandor LaVey, then you may know of his works, but I follow his the path he created.

I believe in an inner expression of my personality and my own self indulgences. Those said "7 Deadly Sins" - Pride, Anger, Lust, Greed, Sloth, Envy, Gluttony - are all part of human nature. Now while we should all know by common sense how to control and limit these "sins", I find a balance in controlling/indulging in these, the very principles of human nature. Sure maybe I like to have things for myself or maybe I like what other people have, but that doesn't mean I won't help others out or compliment them on what they own either. All of us express anger in some form of another, again its human nature, why shun that as a sin? Now granted I'm not the guy that's going to fuel my anger and take it out on everything, I know my own limits on these.

Abracadabra's photo
Thu 09/11/08 09:48 PM
I'm going to be a little hard on you so I hope you can take it. :wink:


I understand that the name itself is something not many talk about, only because they believe that the name itself invokes the worship of a Satan or a Devil. While in some cases this is true, there are many paths of Satanism that believe that "Satan" is just an expression of your inner personality and carnal desires. Satanism is about our natural human instincts in which a lot of religions try to shun us away from. It's about indulgence instead of abstinence.


I fully understand this philosophy. I'm totally sympathetic to what you are saying here. I truly believe that this is indeed the metaphor of 'Satan'. I don't believe for one second that there is a demon whose out to corrupt us.

So I'm totally with you on this. Although I might suggest that moderation is always a good thing. Even as a metaphor, the whole idea of over-indulgence being unhealthy is what cause the metaphor to come into being. The real issue is where you draw the line between indulgence and over-indulgence.

But now, if I may, I'll toss your on philosophy right back at you.

Satanism focuses on individualism and avoiding herd conformity.


If that's the case then why even go along with the 'herd' of Satanists? laugh

Why not just become a 'humanist' and be done with it.

Besides, you know damn well that the very word "Satanism" is going to cause controversy and even be seen as purposeful rebellion against mainstream beliefs.

If that's what you want to deal with all the time, then be my guest. By why even bother putting a lable on it? Especially one that you know will provoke negative reactions in the average masses?

If you want to avoid 'herd' mentality then do it. Just be yourself and indulge without affilating yourself with any 'herd'. bigsmile



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Thu 09/11/08 09:52 PM


If that's the case then why even go along with the 'herd' of Satanists? laugh

Why not just become a 'humanist' and be done with it.

Besides, you know damn well that the very word "Satanism" is going to cause controversy and even be seen as purposeful rebellion against mainstream beliefs.

If that's what you want to deal with all the time, then be my guest. By why even bother putting a lable on it? Especially one that you know will provoke negative reactions in the average masses?

If you want to avoid 'herd' mentality then do it. Just be yourself and indulge without affilating yourself with any 'herd'. bigsmile



Well you do have an extremely valid point there.
I honestly can't answer that question...and I'm glad that you mentioned that...
Why should I label myself as a "Satanist" and conform with all the other non-conformers?

Hmm
What a conundrum :P


Abracadabra's photo
Thu 09/11/08 09:56 PM

I myself don't follow the path(s) that believe in a Satan as a deity. If you have heard of the man, Anton Szandor LaVey, then you may know of his works, but I follow his the path he created.

I believe in an inner expression of my personality and my own self indulgences. Those said "7 Deadly Sins" - Pride, Anger, Lust, Greed, Sloth, Envy, Gluttony - are all part of human nature. Now while we should all know by common sense how to control and limit these "sins", I find a balance in controlling/indulging in these, the very principles of human nature. Sure maybe I like to have things for myself or maybe I like what other people have, but that doesn't mean I won't help others out or compliment them on what they own either. All of us express anger in some form of another, again its human nature, why shun that as a sin? Now granted I'm not the guy that's going to fuel my anger and take it out on everything, I know my own limits on these.


I'm in total agreement with you here.

I think where the real problem comes into play is from religious people who act like being human is a sin. To even think of doing something is a sin.

Those people are just sick. That's all there is to it.

Life was meant to be enjoyed. There's no doubt about it. What a waste of creation if we're supposed to ignore all this stuff!

Even in the Bible when God created the world he saw that it was "Good".

So Eve ate a piece of fruit and now all of creation is "Bad"?

I don't think so!

I personally think religious fantatics are just idiots. That's what I think. laugh



MarcusMisfit's photo
Thu 09/11/08 10:00 PM

I'm in total agreement with you here.

I think where the real problem comes into play is from religious people who act like being human is a sin. To even think of doing something is a sin.

Those people are just sick. That's all there is to it.

Life was meant to be enjoyed. There's no doubt about it. What a waste of creation if we're supposed to ignore all this stuff!

Even in the Bible when God created the world he saw that it was "Good".

So Eve ate a piece of fruit and now all of creation is "Bad"?

I don't think so!

I personally think religious fantatics are just idiots. That's what I think. laugh



OMG THANK YOU!!
You know I do respect everyone and what they believe in.
It's their choice and if it works for them, awesome.
But people who go around shoving their views down everyone's throats are just way ignorant...

That and those people who I guess were raised to hate everyone who doesn't believe what they do...
I don't understand that...
Christianity is about being open and kind and loving everyone so why completely bash and slander someone because they don't share your views.. I sense a bit of a contradiction there >.<


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Fri 09/12/08 06:11 AM
Believe as you wish is my motto....just know exactly what it is you so firmly believe in.

This is not someone I would ever follow just for me. In his own words.


Anton LaVey: Legend and Reality

"I'm one helluva liar. Most of my adult life, I've been accused of being a charlatan, a phony, an impostor.
I guess that makes me about as close to what the Devil's supposed to be, as anyone. It's true. I lie
constantly, incessantly. Because I lie so often, I'd really be full of **** if I didn't keep my mouth shut
and my bowels open."

- Anton LaVey, Satan Speaks, page 101

"The Bigger the Lie, the More the People will Believe it" - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

compiled by his daughter Zeena and Nikolas Schreck - February 2, 1998

The sixth of LaVey's Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth says, Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved. Unfortunately, when it came to writing The Satanic Bible, LaVey hypocritically fell short of following his own rules." Smulo further claimed LaVey's most well known written work, The Satanic Bible relied heavily on many writers of a philosophical nature, most notably Ayn Rand, Friedrich Nietzsche, and Aleister Crowley. LaVey has stated that his religion was “just Ayn Rand’s philosophy, with ceremony and ritual added",[8] though many say that he should be given credit for his creative synthesis of the thought of others into what has become the most influential statement of modern Satanism. LaVey has denied claims of plagiarism in The Satanic Bible.


Anton Szandor LaVey (1930-1997), along with Charles Manson, Timothy Leary, and other messianic pop gurus, was a notorious figure of the 1960s' subculture of social experiment. As the flamboyant High Priest of the Church of Satan and the author of the Satanic Bible, he served as an ideal bogeyman for the sensation-seeking American media of that tumultuous period.

His curious celebrity was based largely on a self-created legend. This carefully-orchestrated legend may, in the final analysis, be LaVey's most enduring legacy. LaVey disseminated his legend through interviews with journalists, personal discussion with his disciples, and two LaVey-approved [auto]biographies (apparently ghostwritten by LaVey himself). The first of these, 1974's The Devil's Avenger (credited to LaVey associate Burton Wolfe), embellished on the fabrications Wolfe had already sketched in his introduction to the Satanic Bible. The second, 1990's Secret Life of a Satanist (credited to Blanche Barton, LaVey's live-in secretary and mother of his son), contradicted many of LaVey's own claims in the earlier volume, while putting forth new legends for public consumption. As social historians and scholars of occult movements begin to study LaVey's life and times in an objective historical context, a wealth of information concerning the man beneath the Devil horns has come to light. This brief checklist is a concise guide to separating the deliberate prevarications from the human, all-too-human facts. For brevity's sake, only the most well-known aspects of the legend will be clarified here.

LEGEND: Claimed that "Anton Szandor LaVey" was his genuine birth name.

REALITY: Born "Howard Stanton Levey".

SOURCES: Birth certificate 4/11/1930, Cook County, Illinois. Confirmed by relatives.

LEGEND: Claimed his parents were Joseph and Augusta LaVey.

REALITY: Parents were Michael and Gertrude Levey.

SOURCES: Birth certificate 4/11/1930, Cook County, Illinois. Confirmed by ASL's daughter Zeena and daughter Karla according to her entry on ASL's death certificate.

LEGEND: Claimed he was introduced to the Dark Side by his Transylvanian Gypsy grandmother, who regaled him as a child with supernatural folklore and tales of vampires and werewolves.

REALITY: ASL's grandmother was not Transylvanian nor of Gypsy stock. She was a Ukrainian named Cecile Luba Primokov-Coulton ("Coulton" was Anglicized from "Koltonoff"). Despite his frequent claims, ASL had no Gypsy ancestry.

SOURCES: Relatives, including ASL's parents.


REALITY: There was no "San Francisco Ballet Orchestra" in 1945. The San Francisco Ballet was accompanied by a local orchestra, whose records show that none of its three oboists was named "Levey" or "LaVey".

SOURCES: San Francisco Performing Arts Library & Museum, San Francisco, California.

LEGEND: In 1947 ASL ran away from home and joined the Clyde Beatty Circus. The Circus employed the 17-year-old as a lion tamer. He then replaced the Circus calliope player, accompanying such famous Beatty acts as the Concellos, Harold Alanza, and the Cristianis.

REALITY: The voluminous Beatty archives show no record of a "Levey" or "LaVey" as lion tamer or musician. The Concellos, Alanza, and Cristianis were never Beatty performers; they worked exclusively for the Ringling Brothers Circus.

SOURCES: Beatty 1947 Route Books, Circus World Museum, Baraboo, Wisconsin (Wright, "SD", page 67); ASL relatives.

LEGEND: In 1948 the 18-year-old ASL was engaged to play organ at the Mayan burlesque theater in Los Angeles. There he met a young stripper named Marilyn Monroe, with whom he had a passionate love affair in the period before her rise to film stardom. According to ASL, Monroe had resorted to stripping to pay her rent. As proof of his relationship with Monroe, ASL later showed visitors a copy of Monroe's famous nude calendar inscribed "Dear Tony, How many times have you seen this! Love, Marilyn".

REALITY: ASL never knew Monroe. Monroe intimate Robert Slatzer and Harry Lipton, Monroe's agent in 1948, have exposed and discredited this tale. Lipton paid Monroe's expenses, including her rent. Paul Valentine, director of the Mayan Theater, has stated that the Mayan was never a burlesque theater, and that neither Monroe nor ASL ever worked for the Mayan in any capacity. Diane LaVey, ASL's former wife, has admitted that she forged the "Monroe" inscription on the calendar. ASL's former publicist Edward Webber claims ASL admitted he never knew Monroe.

SOURCES: Diane LaVey, Paul Valentine (Wright, "SD", page #68), Harry Lipton (Aquino-Lipton conversation 12/1/82), Robert Slatzer (letter to Aquino 11/27/82), Edward Webber (interview by Aquino 6/2/91).

LEGEND: ASL was exposed to the savagery of human nature during his stint as a San Francisco Police photographer in the early 1950s.

REALITY: San Francisco Police Department past employment records include no "Howard Levey" nor "Anton LaVey". Frank Moser, who was a SFPD photographer in the early 1950s, said that ASL never worked for the Department.

SOURCES: SFPD records, Frank Moser (Wright, "SD", page 68).

LEGEND: ASL studied criminology at San Francisco City College during the Korean War.

REALITY: SFCC has no record of ASL's enrollment at any time.

SOURCES: SFCC records (Wright, "SD", page 68).

LEGEND: ASL purchased the house at 6114 California Street (which would later become the headquarters of the Church of Satan - the infamous "Black House") because he discovered on first inspection that it was the former brothel of Barbary Coast madam Mammy Pleasant. The house was honeycombed with trapdoors and secret passageways, built by Pleasant to elude police raids.

REALITY: 6114 was ASL's parents' home. It was never a brothel, nor did Mammy Pleasant ever live or work there. ASL's parents first allowed ASL and his first wife Carole to live in the house, then transferred ownership of it to ASL and his second wife Diane in 1971. Such secret passages and hidden rooms that exist were constructed by ASL.

SOURCES: Relatives, San Francisco property records (Michael & Gertrude Levey, Joint Tenancy Grant Deed, July 9, 1971).

LEGEND: In the 1950s ASL traveled to Nice, France, where he recorded an album of organ music under the pseudonym of "Georges Montalba".

REALITY: ASL's first and only trip to France was in the mid-1970s, when his Dutch disciple Maarten Lamers, Amsterdam sex club owner, financed his voyage. The "ASL=Montalba" story appeared in 1989, when a gullible Church of Satan member found a Montalba album and suggested that it was similar to ASL's own music. ASL, never pleased by competition, responded with the preposterous "pseudonym" claim - which is still ardently supported by his posthumous followers.

SOURCES: Diane LaVey, Zeena LaVey.

LEGEND: ASL was the official city organist for San Francisco until 1966, playing for gala events such as government banquets and political meetings.

REALITY: San Francisco has never had an "official city organist". According to ASL's first wife Carole, his only income of $29.91/week was generated by his regular engagement at the "Lost Weekend" nightclub, where he was the house Wurlitzer organist.

SOURCE: Julie Burford, Civic Auditorium, San Francisco, California (Wright, "SD", page 68). Carole LaVey's divorce proceeding records (Wright, "SD", page 68).

LEGEND: On the night of April 30, 1966 (the German Satanic festival of Walpurgisnacht), ASL in a "blinding flash" declared himself the High Priest of Satan, proclaimed that the Age of Satan had begun, and founded the Church of Satan as a religious institution.

REALITY: In 1966 ASL supplemented his income by presenting weekend lectures on exotic and occult topics, and by conducting "Witches' Workshops". He charged $2 a head, filling his living room with the curious and establishing a local reputation as an eccentric. Professional publicist Edward Webber suggested to ASL that he "would never make any money by lecturing on Friday nights for donations ... it would be better to form some sort of church and get a charter from the State of California ... I told Anton at the time that the press was going to flip out over all this and that we would get a lot of notoriety". In the summer of 1966, long after the fictional founding-date invented later, a newspaper article about ASL's lectures offhandedly referred to him as "priest of the Devil's church". This mixture of Webber's idea and the newspaper's characterization resulted in the creation of the Church of Satan as a business and publicity vehicle. Jack Webb, a San Francisco Police investigator who knew ASL from the "Lost Weekend" nightclub, also suggested that he should form a church of some kind to exploit his recondite knowledge.

SOURCES: Edward Webber (interview by Aquino 6/2/91), Jack Webb, Diane LaVey.

LEGEND: ASL's trademark shaved head was the result of a ceremonial head-shaving on April 30, 1966, to formalize his role as High Priest of Satan. This ritual was performed in the tradition of the Yezidi devil-worshipping tribes of Iraq, who were said to have carried out a similar ceremony.

REALITY: ASL shaved his head in the summer of 1966 due to a light-hearted dare from his wife. The "LaVey look" had nothing to do with the Church of Satan founding nor any mystical meaning attached to it later. Nor do Yezidi qawwals (religious teachers) shave their heads.

SOURCES: Diane LaVey; Ethel S. Drower, Peacock Angel, 1941; C.J. Edmonds, A Pilgrimage to Lalish, Royal Asiatic Society, 1967.

LEGEND: In 1966 ASL personally designed the Baphomet emblem of the Church of Satan. He owns the right to this design, claiming it cannot be reproduced without obtaining licensing rights from the Church of Satan.

REALITY: The Baphomet emblem used by the Church of Satan was neither original to it nor created by ASL, hence cannot be trademarked. The original Baphomet dates at least as far back as the medieval Knights Templar. The artwork for the current emblem's goat/pentagram first appears in a 1931 book by Oswald Wirth. The complete emblem with the added circles and "LVYThN" Hebrew letters appears on the cover of a book by Maurice Bessy two years before the creation of the Church of Satan. Early photos of Church activities often show ASL or his disciples using the Bessy book as a photo-prop because of its prominent cover-Baphomet, and he included that book in his Compleat Witch bibliography. The Baphomet, including this rendition of it, is clearly in the public domain.

SOURCES: Oswald Wirth, La fran-maconnerie rendue intelligible a ces adeptes - II, "Le compagnon", Paris: Derry-Livres, 1931, page #60; Maurice Bessy, A Pictorial History of Magic and the Supernatural, London: Spring Books, 1964 [the original edition of this work - Histoire en 1000 images de la magie - was published in 1961 by Editions du Pont Royal]; Thomas H. Hilton, Sex and the Occult, Vol. I, Los Angeles: Centurion Press, 1974;Church of Satan members, The Black Flame (a 1980s Church of Satan magazine).

LEGEND: One of ASL's most widely-accepted falsehoods is his claim that he served as technical advisor for the 1968 Roman Polanski film Rosemary's Baby. ASL also claimed to have played the curiously-uncredited part of the Devil in that film.

REALITY: ASL had no involvement with Rosemary's Baby. Polanski's close friend Gene Gutowski (original producer of the film) stated that there was no technical advisor, nor did ASL ever even meet Polanski. Producer William Castle, who details all aspects of the film's production in his autobiography, never mentions ASL. He does describe Polanski's diligence in basing the film exactly on the Ira Levin novel from which it was adapted, eliminating any need for technical advice. The father of the actress who played Mia Farrow's body-double in the Devil scene recalled that a young, very slender professional dancer played the part, dressed in a small rubber suit. In 1971 this suit was acquired by Studio One Productions in Louisville, Kentucky, for use in a low-budget horror film Asylum of Satan. Michael Aquino, technical advisor for that film, examined the suit and concluded that the 200-pound, 6-foot ASL could not possibly have worn it. [The suit was worn by a girl in the Asylum film.] Not a single member of the cast or crew of Rosemary's Baby has ever mentioned ASL's involvement. In 1968 a San Francisco theater did ask ASL to make an appearance at the film's local opening as a promotional event. This appears to have been ASL's only connection with the film that engendered the 1960s' popular interest in Satanism.

SOURCES: Gene Gutowski; William Castle, Step Right Up! I'm Gonna Scare the Pants off America, New York: Pharos Books, 1992; Diane LaVey, Michael A. Aquino (COS, page #17).

LEGEND: Jayne Mansfield, Hollywood sex symbol and actress, was a card-carrying Satanist and had an affair with ASL.

REALITY: Publicity agent Tony Kent, an associate of Ed Webber, arranged the meeting between Mansfield and ASL as a publicity stunt. ASL was smitten with the actress. Mansfield, who made no secret of her many affairs, denied knowing ASL intimately, and no associate of hers has ever confirmed any supposed romance with ASL. In a 1967 interview she said, "He had fallen in love with me and wanted to join my life with his. It was a laugh." According to ASL's publicist Edward Webber, Mansfield would ridicule her Satanic suitor by calling from her Los Angeles home and seductively teasing him while her friends listened in on the conversation. ASL's public claims that he had an affair with Mansfield began only after Mansfield's death in an automobile accident, which he also claimed was the result of a curse he had placed on her lover Sam Brody.

SOURCES: Edward Webber (interview by Aquino 6/2/91); interview with Mansfield quoted in Jayne Mansfield by May Mann, Pocket Books, 1974.

LEGEND: ASL wrote the Satanic Bible, his principal work, to fulfill his congregation's need for a scriptural guide.

REALITY: The Satanic Bible was conceived as a commercial vehicle by paperback publisher Avon Books. Avon approached ASL for some kind of Satanic work to cash in on the Satanism & witchcraft fad of the late 1960s. Pressed for material to meet Avon's deadline, ASL resorted to plagiarism, assembling extracts from an obscure 1896 tract - Might is Right by Ragnar Redbeard into a "Book of Satan" for the SB, and claiming its authorship by himself. [Ironically these MiR passages are the ones most frequently quoted by ASL disciples.] Another third of the SB consists of John Dee's "Enochian Keys", taken directly but again without attribution from Aleister Crowley's Equinox. The SB's "Nine Satanic Statements", one of the Church of Satan's central doctrines, is a paraphrase, again unacknowledged, of passages from Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged. The last words in the SB - "Yankee Rose" - have been puzzled over for years by readers. "YR" is actually the name of an old popular tune in ASL's nightclub repertoire.

SOURCES: ASL, The Satanic Bible; Ragnar Redbeard, Might is Right, Port Townsend: Loompanics (reprint), 1896; Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged (Galt's speech, ca. pages #936-993); "Yankee Rose" by Sidney Holden & Abe Frankl (Irving Berlin Music, 1926).

LEGEND: ASL claimed that at the height of the Church of Satan's popularity there were hundreds of thousands of formal members.

REALITY: Diane LaVey (who administered the Church as High Priestess 1966-1984), Michael A. Aquino (senior Magister of the Church and Editor of its Cloven Hoof newsletter 1971-1975), and Zeena LaVey (High Priestess of the Church 1985-1990) have all affirmed that the figures claimed by ASL were grossly exaggerated. The membership of the Church of Satan never exceeded 300 individuals, several of whom were nonmember subscribers to the newsletter or ASL friends receiving complimentary mailings.

SOURCES: Diane LaVey, Michael A. Aquino, Zeena LaVey.

LEGEND: ASL claimed to be a multimillionaire, owning three homes in northern California, a convent in Italy, a chateau in France, a fleet of luxury automobiles, a 185-foot yacht, three salvage ships, and other property.

REALITY: During Diane [LaVey] Hegarty's 1988-91 lawsuit against ASL, and ASL's subsequent 1991 filing for bankruptcy, ASL stipulated under oath that he owned nothing more than 50% of the house his parents had given jointly to him and Diane, along with the personal items he kept therein. ASL's final years were subsidized by California state aid. Assessors declared the house to be in such poor repair as to be nearly worthless on the real estate market. Family members have attested to the fact that by the mid-1970s the LaVeys lived in near-poverty, frequently having to rely upon ASL's father's generosity. According to other LaVey relatives, ASL continued to rely on handouts from friends and relatives until the end of his life.

SOURCES: Hegarty v. LaVey (San Francisco Superior Court Case #891863), Anton LaVey Bankruptcy, Chapter 7 (U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Northern California, Case #91-34251), Zeena LaVey, other relatives.

LEGEND: ASL was a close friend of Sammy Davis, Jr. and inducted him into the Church of Satan.

REALITY: Sammy Davis, Jr. was invited to accept an honorary membership in the Church of Satan by Michael Aquino. After Davis sent Aquino his acceptance on March 17, 1973, he was presented with the honorary membership on April 13, 1973 by Aquino and Karla LaVey alone. ASL did not meet Davis until August 1973.

SOURCES: Davis letter to Aquino 3/17/73; Church of Satan Priesthood Bulletin 4/30/73; Aquino, COS, Chapter 23; Sammy Davis, Hollywood in a Suitcase (pre-publication text, printed in Daily News, New York, 9/11/80), Karla LaVey.

LEGEND: ASL presented himself as a loving family man.

REALITY: ASL violently beat his wife Diane throughout their marriage. In 1984 a police report was made describing Diane being strangled into unconsciousness by ASL, who was in such a murderous rage that his daughter Karla had to pull him off Diane and drag her outside the house to save her life. ASL routinely physically beat and abused those of his female disciples with whom he had sex, forcing them into prostitution as part of his "Satanic counseling" and collecting their earnings. In 1986 ASL was a passive witness to the sexual molestation of his own grandson by a longtime friend who was later convicted of sex crimes with minors. In 1990 ASL informed a mentally-ill stalker of his daughter Zeena of her whereabouts and the time & location of a public appearance she was scheduled to make, deliberately endangering her life.

SOURCES: San Francisco Police records of ASL attack on Diane LaVey, Zeena LaVey, Diane LaVey, Stanton LaVey.

LEGEND: ASL had a deeply affectionate relationship with Togare, his pet lion.

REALITY: While ASL was always careful to portray himself to the public as an animal lover, in private he was cruel to and neglectful of his pets. When he was given Togare as a cub in 1964, he was ill-equipped to deal with such an exotic, wild animal despite his pretensions as a circus lion-tamer. As Togare became larger and more unruly, ASL frequently used an electric cattle prod to hurt and frighten him into submission. Many animal-rights proponents, including Togare's final owner Tippi Hedren, agree that it is detrimental to a wild animal's development to be raised in a domestic environment. ASL was arrested due to Togare's unruly behavior, and ASL was ordered to donate him to the San Francisco Zoo. After complying, ASL made only two visits to Togare. Due to the trauma of his early life, Togare needed special care at the Zoo and at every animal-care facility in which he subsequently lived.

SOURCES: Jack Castor (Lion Keeper, San Francisco Zoo), Diane LaVey, Zeena LaVey, Tippi Hedren (The Cats of Shamballa, McGraw-Hill, 1985).

LEGEND: ASL had a deeply affectionate relationship with his other pets.

REALITY: In the late 1960s ASL acquired a Doberman Pinscher (Loki) as an accent to his "sinister" image. ASL never took the time to housebreak or train Loki, and relegated him to the overgrown and unkempt backyard of the house, regardless of weather. If Loki ever tried to slip into the house for shelter, ASL routinely used Togare's cattle-prod on him to terrify him back outside. In his old age Loki developed such severe arthritis that he could not climb the stairs to the back door to eat, and began wasting away from malnutrition. ASL then gave him to one of his prostitute "students", who at least saw that Loki had a warm, inside home until he died a few months later. During her young childhood ASL's daughter Zeena once awoke late at night to hear slamming sounds and the shrieking of her German Shepherd puppy. Running downstairs, she saw ASL savagely beating the cowering, cornered dog with a wooden plank. When Zeena begged ASL to stop and asked him what the dog had done to deserve such treatment, ASL screamed, "She won't listen to me! I'm going to force her to obey me!" ASL continued beating the dog until her face was covered with her blood, then dropped the plank and left the dog quivering in the hallway, so injured and frightened that she wouldn't let even Zeena come near her. This incident left the dog traumatized for a long time afterwards.

SOURCES: Diane LaVey, Zeena LaVey.

LEGEND: On ASL's original death certificate the date of his demise was recorded as October 31, 1997 (Halloween).

REALITY: An official investigation by the City of San Francisco determined that ASL's actual date of death was October 29, 1997 and that the "Halloween" date had been illegally written on the document.

SOURCES: Death Certificate #380278667, San Francisco Department of Public Health; Dr. Giles Miller (attending physician at ASL's death), Physician's Amendment to Death Certificate, 11/26/97. ____________________

RESEARCH REFERENCES: Wright, Lawrence, "Sympathy for the Devil", Rolling Stone #612, September 5, 1991, Saints and Sinners. New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1993. Aquino, Michael A., The Church of Satan. San Francisco: Temple of Set, 1983. We extend our thanks to ASL's relatives and associates who contributed their memories.



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Fri 09/12/08 06:25 AM
Edited by Mrtap on Fri 09/12/08 06:27 AM
your life believe in what u want just dont try to push it on others as the holy ones choose to do.

we all will walk thru the door, whats is on the other sides well iswhat what ???????????

Remember the world was suppose to be flat at one time.

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Fri 09/12/08 06:38 AM
Believe what is right for you...and sorry if you are misunderstood in your beliefs. Can I ask if you don't believe in Christianity...then why do you wear a crucifix, though? Just wondering if it means anything to you and if so...what? flowerforyou

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Fri 09/12/08 06:48 AM
kudos to OP flowerforyou

chose what you want to believe in,
understand it as it makes you feel best, disregard those that want to or judge you without knowing you (at least winking)
or try belittle you (happens a lot from those insecure of themselves waving)

people normally fear what they dont know

welcome aboard, great post

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Fri 09/12/08 07:13 AM
I have no problem with Satanists...in order to believe in the devil one must also believe in god, I dont, so either way they are deities that have no significance in my life.,,but if it works for you then more power to you...

:thumbsup:

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Fri 09/12/08 08:31 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 09/12/08 08:32 AM
For Feralcat,

I appreciate your information about LaVey. I read his book the Satanic Bible and got a great laugh. I do like his philosophy and agree with it basically but he clearly came off to me as a jester rebelling against the status quo of Christianity.

Of course I knew many people would take him seriously and I don't think that is really what he intended.

But it demonstrates how cults and religions are created and grow, including the farce of the New Testament and Christianity. Other more modern examples are Eckankar, the ancient science of soul travel, Scientology, etc.

All of these 'religions' were created by farce and lies and are great jokes being played on people who take them seriously, especially Christianity which has lasted 2000 years.

If you like a particular philosophy like LaVey's you don't have to call yourself a "satanist" because you will invite opposition and controversy into your life. Just live by your own philosophy and truly set yourself away from the crowd.

By the way Alester Crowely is a bad dude, LeVey is a saint compared to him. LeVey's "Satanism" is not the true cult of the Luciferians. There is a darker cult that does really horrible things but they don't advertise.

JB

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Fri 09/12/08 08:40 AM

And I highly mean that. The following post may not exactly agree with your beliefs but I urge you to keep an open mind and hear me out. I'm not here to preach or convert, just discuss. If you feel that this page is a bit extreme, please leave, please don't slam what I have to say.

-Satanism-

It's a bit of a touch subject but I try to get the information out because when so many people hate me for what I believe in...it's frustrating.

First of all.. Satanism isn't about sacrificing animals, people, or anything of that nature. Satanism focuses on individualism and avoiding herd conformity. It's not about complete anger and hatred and being mean to everyone and everything. I understand that the name itself is something not many talk about, only because they believe that the name itself invokes the worship of a Satan or a Devil. While in some cases this is true, there are many paths of Satanism that believe that "Satan" is just an expression of your inner personality and carnal desires. Satanism is about our natural human instincts in which a lot of religions try to shun us away from. It's about indulgence instead of abstinence.

I myself am a Satanist and I bear no shame in sharing with you. I hope that what little I have said will not affect how you see me as a person.


Welcome.
You are the first I have read about, and it interests me enough to read more.

Makes a change from the bleeding heart god-squad we normally get on here.
Thank you

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Fri 09/12/08 09:18 AM


And I highly mean that. The following post may not exactly agree with your beliefs but I urge you to keep an open mind and hear me out. I'm not here to preach or convert, just discuss. If you feel that this page is a bit extreme, please leave, please don't slam what I have to say.

-Satanism-

It's a bit of a touch subject but I try to get the information out because when so many people hate me for what I believe in...it's frustrating.

First of all.. Satanism isn't about sacrificing animals, people, or anything of that nature. Satanism focuses on individualism and avoiding herd conformity. It's not about complete anger and hatred and being mean to everyone and everything. I understand that the name itself is something not many talk about, only because they believe that the name itself invokes the worship of a Satan or a Devil. While in some cases this is true, there are many paths of Satanism that believe that "Satan" is just an expression of your inner personality and carnal desires. Satanism is about our natural human instincts in which a lot of religions try to shun us away from. It's about indulgence instead of abstinence.

I myself am a Satanist and I bear no shame in sharing with you. I hope that what little I have said will not affect how you see me as a person.


Welcome.
You are the first I have read about, and it interests me enough to read more.

Makes a change from the bleeding heart god-squad we normally get on here.
Thank you


Really Belushi? I haven't seen many Christians at all on this thread lately. They don't seem to be participating much anymore. I think the agnostics, atheists, wiccans, panthists, pagans and satanists are keeping them in their corner. It has become rather droll and boring without them I might add. sad2

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