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| Topic: Be Warned! You May Not Like What You're About To Read... | |
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I find life to be full of happiness and joy for the most part myself. never been taught that it was dismal  Well, if you're a Christian don't you think it's a bit dismal that God had to send his only begotten son to be nailed to a pole to pay for your rebellious disobedience of God? I'm sure that as a religion they teach that this was a great thing. But I'm not so sure why they think that it's so great that mankind has failed his creator to such an extent that his creator had to resort to such desperate acts. I ask you the same question I've been trying to ask everyone else but no one will answer. If you discovered that the Bible was a total like and it's simply not true that mankind fell from grace from his creator, and that God never had to restort to sending his son to pay for mankind's blatant rebellion against him,... Would you be happy to hear that? Would you be thrilled to hear that the Bible isn't true? Or would you in some way be disapointed to hear that?  I'd really like to know. Are you happy that we have miserably failed our creator? Is this a really great picture that you're pleased with? Do you sincerely hope that it's true? Wouldn't it be better to discover that it's all just a manmade myth? Please explain. I would seriously like to know what you think and try to understand why you feel the way you do. 1. No 2. No 3. Yes 4. No 5. No 6. Yes 7. No how's that |
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I myself don't follow the path(s) that believe in a Satan as a deity. If you have heard of the man, Anton Szandor LaVey, then you may know of his works, but I follow his the path he created. I believe in an inner expression of my personality and my own self indulgences. Those said "7 Deadly Sins" - Pride, Anger, Lust, Greed, Sloth, Envy, Gluttony - are all part of human nature. Now while we should all know by common sense how to control and limit these "sins", I find a balance in controlling/indulging in these, the very principles of human nature. Sure maybe I like to have things for myself or maybe I like what other people have, but that doesn't mean I won't help others out or compliment them on what they own either. All of us express anger in some form of another, again its human nature, why shun that as a sin? Now granted I'm not the guy that's going to fuel my anger and take it out on everything, I know my own limits on these. I'm in total agreement with you here. I think where the real problem comes into play is from religious people who act like being human is a sin. To even think of doing something is a sin. Those people are just sick. That's all there is to it. Life was meant to be enjoyed. There's no doubt about it. What a waste of creation if we're supposed to ignore all this stuff! Even in the Bible when God created the world he saw that it was "Good". So Eve ate a piece of fruit and now all of creation is "Bad"? I don't think so! I personally think religious fantatics are just idiots. That's what I think.  You'll have to excuse me I felt the need to post before reading all the thread.....of which I will do after I post this. I do see ur points, and most are valid......... BUT if I may..... Yes, we are human...... Yes there are natural inclinations.........abstinence of good and healthy things is simply ridiculous.......but some of the "sins" mentioned are indeed unhealthy as there is not balance in Greed, greed is all consuming, otherwise it is not "greed" Lust, is all consuming, desiring something that is not urs to have......this does not benefit the self or individual in any way.....in a sense it is desiring to be another, or to have what another has......lust is not wanting something similar, wanting happiness for yourself, but thinking that in order to be happy you must have/take from another.......not healthy imo at all. lying (I added this one) is in essence denying your true self......and hiding from others. IMO, this is not healthy for the individual/self but is a way of not dealing with your own true desires...and not standing up for yourself and being yourself at all costs. I do not lie, not because I have some strong moral fiber, but due to my own pride.......it is below me to do so.....to lie would be to deny who I am and what I believe. If I have done something and others view it as wrong, and I do not....then why would I lie to appease them and deny myself..... If I do wrong and I feel it is wrong, than I have wronged myself, and therefore must atone to myself, usually by determining never to do it again. I could write more.........but I think you get the point. Being an individual, and loving yourself and your humanity isn't about "indulging" in "sin" but about being who you are and realizing who the "you" really is. We are not naturally liars....we lie because we feel pressure to conform. We do not naturally "lust" after what is not ours, we only do so because we are programmed to believe that what everyone else has is better than what we have.... Etc. Etc. |
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lying (I added this one) is in essence denying your true self......and hiding from others. IMO, this is not healthy for the individual/self but is a way of not dealing with your own true desires...and not standing up for yourself and being yourself at all costs. I do not lie, not because I have some strong moral fiber, but due to my own pride.......it is below me to do so.....to lie would be to deny who I am and what I believe. If I have done something and others view it as wrong, and I do not....then why would I lie to appease them and deny myself..... If I do wrong and I feel it is wrong, than I have wronged myself, and therefore must atone to myself, usually by determining never to do it again. Perhaps a time of denying true self has great purpose. What else could better drive us forward into acknowledgment/ re-acquaintance of/with true self than a point of reference lacking there of? |
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Hmmmmmm, in denying true self, imo, U deny true growth. It is only when you begin to be honest with yourself that you begin to grow.....at least a little. However, you can not consciously deny what you are not aware of.........
I would not describe it as lying if you are not consciously aware of it not being the truth....It is when you know what the truth is, that it makes a difference, imo. (I'm not sure I am getting what you are saying, though, lol) |
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Hmmmmmm, in denying true self, imo, U deny true growth. It is only when you begin to be honest with yourself that you begin to grow.....at least a little. However, you can not consciously deny what you are not aware of......... I would not describe it as lying if you are not consciously aware of it not being the truth....It is when you know what the truth is, that it makes a difference, imo. (I'm not sure I am getting what you are saying, though, lol) If pain propels one into seeking true self, is it not at this painful precipice that one first becomes aware of lack of truth? Would this pin-point in time not serve great purpose? |
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I would agree.......but would like to point out that a lot of people "lie" in order to avoid pain.......instead of facing it. Any "liar" I have known continues in a cyle of lies because they refuse to suffer the pain........ It is only when you realize the truth that one truly understands what pain is all about....... Pain is a good thing, it lets u know something is wrong, but people in denial will not see that....so I'm not sure how lying to one self could be the "turning" point......it is when they stop lying and start living the truth.
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Sun 09/14/08 11:50 AM
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I would agree.......but would like to point out that a lot of people "lie" in order to avoid pain.......instead of facing it. Any "liar" I have known continues in a cyle of lies because they refuse to suffer the pain........ It is only when you realize the truth that one truly understands what pain is all about....... Pain is a good thing, it lets u know something is wrong, but people in denial will not see that....so I'm not sure how lying to one self could be the "turning" point......it is when they stop lying and start living the truth. Yes... The turning point would be in that very moment when it is first recognized and truly acknowledged as untruth. Beyond this point, any attempt to re-enter into that state of untruth would bring MUCH greater pain. It would seem that this would naturally propel one into the direction of more truth and give greater courage to face and pass through the acknowledgment of one's own "error". Increased practice fosters increased courage. Then... there comes a point at which a great desire to share the logic of such a process comes forward. One may initially feel shy about it, but can not deny times when we clearly recognize it in others. This is a thrilling time. |
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I would agree.......but would like to point out that a lot of people "lie" in order to avoid pain.......instead of facing it. Any "liar" I have known continues in a cyle of lies because they refuse to suffer the pain........ It is only when you realize the truth that one truly understands what pain is all about....... Pain is a good thing, it lets u know something is wrong, but people in denial will not see that....so I'm not sure how lying to one self could be the "turning" point......it is when they stop lying and start living the truth. Yes... The turning point would be in that very moment when it is first recognized and truly acknowledged as untruth. Beyond this point, any attempt to re-enter into that state of untruth would bring MUCH greater pain. It would seem that this would naturally propel one into the direction of more truth and give greater courage to face and pass through the acknowledgment of one's own "error". Increased practice fosters increased courage. Then... there comes a point at which a great desire to share the logic of such a process comes forward. One may initially feel shy about it, but can not deny times when we clearly recognize it in others. This is a thrilling time. Ah, now I see more clearly what you were trying to convey........and I have to agree. I suppose that is why people must be "ready" to see the truth before they ever will. |
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Edited by
splendidlife
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Sun 09/14/08 01:58 PM
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I would agree.......but would like to point out that a lot of people "lie" in order to avoid pain.......instead of facing it. Any "liar" I have known continues in a cyle of lies because they refuse to suffer the pain........ It is only when you realize the truth that one truly understands what pain is all about....... Pain is a good thing, it lets u know something is wrong, but people in denial will not see that....so I'm not sure how lying to one self could be the "turning" point......it is when they stop lying and start living the truth. Yes... The turning point would be in that very moment when it is first recognized and truly acknowledged as untruth. Beyond this point, any attempt to re-enter into that state of untruth would bring MUCH greater pain. It would seem that this would naturally propel one into the direction of more truth and give greater courage to face and pass through the acknowledgment of one's own "error". Increased practice fosters increased courage. Then... there comes a point at which a great desire to share the logic of such a process comes forward. One may initially feel shy about it, but can not deny times when we clearly recognize it in others. This is a thrilling time. Ah, now I see more clearly what you were trying to convey........and I have to agree. I suppose that is why people must be "ready" to see the truth before they ever will. In my zeal to "contain" each new-found truth, I seek to grasp, define and therefore self-eject into the soup of ego. D'oh! 
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