god speaking to A&E in the garden, was that god the father, son?

god also seems to have an awareness problem in gen. why?

8 And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the afternoon; and both Adam and his wife hid themselves from the face of the Lord God in the midst of the trees of the garden. 9 And the Lord God called Adam and said to him, Adam, where art thou? 10 And he said to him, I heard thy voice as thou walkedst in the garden, and I feared because I was naked and I hid myself. 11 And God said to him, Who told thee that thou wast naked, unless thou hast eaten of the tree concerning which I charged thee of it alone not to eat?

LXX

Why does God have to have an awareness problem? Could it have not been that He already knew what Adam and Eve had done? Could it be that He wanted Adam to tell what he had done?

Exactly.

could be i won't negate that possability. do you have an opinion on who was actually walking in the garden - the father or the son?

Enjoy, Tribo my friend! lol

Well Lord can also refer to God and Jesus, so my humble assumption would be God (as in God the father since you put it that way). Due to the simple fact that you are referring to Old testiment verses.

but are there not instances of jesus appearing in the old testament as what is reffered to as "epiphanies'?

well now we are beyond my scope of knowledge... a little help here please!

sorry tribo, i'm not a theologian.

ahh, OK my lady. there are instances in the old testament where it is said by theologians that it was manifestations of Jesus, due to the fact that he allowed others to call him lord, whereas the angels always let it be know to those who did this or bowed down to worship them not to do so , that is how the doctrine of Jesus' appearances in the O.t. came about such as with Jacob when he wrestled the angel/Jesus and other instances also.
now i don't hold to that, and i may not be perfectly correct, but that is what i remember, that is why i was trying to get a take from someone as to which it is in the garden - since he is said to be walking and all.

be blessed my friend -

I could be totally wrong, but wasn't the garden of eden that place where God could walk and be on earth in that it was 'pure' not until sin can into existance that God didn't walk the earth until He sent Jesus.


Ok.... someone that knows more help me out here.

Tribo....Jesus is also Known as the WORD.

Jesus is "I AM".

Meaning ...Jesus always WAS.....even BEFORE he came down to earth, to be born of the Virgin Mary.....and to be manifested in the flesh...and to dwell with us.

But before JESUS came in the FLESH(Jesus is God Manifested in the Flesh), to DWELL with Us, He was with the Father
In the BEGINNING....KNOWN AS THE WORD.

In the Beginnng WAS the WORD, and the Word was WITH God and the Word WAS GOD.

Father God...Jesus the WORD...Holy Spirit..three in ONE GOD..have ALWAYS BEEN..even from the very Beginning.

So if God Spoke to Adam, and the the WORD was ALWAYS WITH GOD ..AND THE WORD WAS GOD AND IS GOD...and JESUS(the WORD) is God manifested in the FLESH ....

AND.... the three(Father, Jesus the Word, Holy Spirit) are ONE GOD.....well it was GOD ALMIGHTY who Spoke to Adam, Tribo...cause the three are ONE!

THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD!!

Tribo...

Tribo....when you speak,for instance, your physical mouth and vocal cords are moving... your brain is also doing its function.... and your thoughts are forming the words...

if you speak with feelings, your emotions come into play also(emotions and will are of the soulish area).

And the fact that you are able to speak at all, is because God breathed life into your spirit....

so all three parts of your being(physical body, soul, spirit) are working together as ONE... ONE Tribo...not three.......but EACH part of you , still having it's own particular Function

hmmm?? then im confused??

22 And God said, Behold, Adam is become as one of us, to know good and evil,

who is he talking to himself?

Genesis 1:26

"And God said,Let US make man in OUR Image , after OUR likeness...."

Genesis 1:27

"So God created man in HIS own Image , in the Image of God created he him..."

Tribo...US is referring to

God the Father,
God the WORD,
God the Holy Spirit...

the three in One...

but still ONE GOD.

Tribo

Hmmm... I'm not sure what MS is concluding - but to help with the confusion. Matt 3:16 & 17 might help.

"As soon as Jesus was baptised, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. And a voice from heaven said "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

You have Jesus - God the Son incarnate.
The Spirit of God - the Holy Spirit
A voice from heave - God the Father.

all three - distinctively located, and specifically functioning in three different locations (well 2 Heaven and earth, and one travelling in between.) All three of whom are God. This is what is known in Christianity - as the Trinity. Though the text does not specifically refer to them as such - it defines each as God, and shows they are distinct from one another. Hard to turn this event into a metephor, so when determining just what does "God"
mean - we have this to contend with

John 10:30 "I and the father are one."

Since we know they are able to be at two locations at the same time - the claim that God (the father) and Jesus are one is interpreted as
>one thing<, (as in the greek, the tense is neuter) and not one person. The "oneness" is of essense - or purpose - "of one mind" I think the term would be today.

Now - back to your original question.

John 1:18 "No man has ever seen God, but God the one and only, who is at the fathers side, has made him known."

This is John's first chapter where he is testifying about Jesus - in account form - as being the word, the creation being done thru Him, and his being with God in the beginning, and his being God. Now Jesus' words...

John 6: 46 "No one has seen the father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the father."

Only one person in the N.T. is "from God", and that is Jesus - so the reference is to himself.

For these statements to be true - it is JESUS who is walking amoungst the Garden with Adam and Eve.
However - it is the Son - who will incarnate as Jesus. If that distinction makes sense. Often, in the O.T. - when man encounters God, it is the Lord who is there. Though it is unclear that Moses may or may not have encountered God the Father on Mt Sinai, as he appeared as a burning bush - it is clear at the transfiguration that Moses knows who Jesus is.

I am not aware of any biblical references that would contradict this exegesis - though I did not do any more references - because I felt this was enough.

well that's what i had said about it in the beginning that it was probably what is called an epiphany of Christ before him becoming man in the old testament accounts.

but here then if that's true we have jesus walking in the garden and saying to the father and spirit these things - should they all not know whats going on? why the talk? is this being done for the readers benefit? And why is Jesus calling to Adam because he can't find him? or does not see him - does not god know exactly where he is and is doing at all times? explain please. thnx

Once again misiterpretation of the bible.....If people are going to judge, thou shalt first understand what thouith is reading....giggle....

First class let's take a lil more of the meat of scripture then teacher tribo gave......for this my children will let you see more clearly.

Of Course it was God in the Garden of Eden.......It states clearly God.....had it been the Son....it would of clearly stated so.


Now we will take each verse and break it down.


1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

Debbie: Satan has entered the garden......to tempt Adam and Eve.

2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

Debbie God "DID" make it clear to not eat from the tree of knowledge. And if you do you will die.....which of course if you don't listen to God then what boys and girls......Yes Tanya you are correct that is a sin.

4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Debbie: Now the only one great deceiver here is satan and he will always be the "only one" to deceive. How deceitful to tell Eve that if she eat the fruit her eyes will be opened and like God.....pleaseeeeee. All that eating from the tree did was bring on her sin nature as well as Adam.

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"

10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."

Debbie: Now this is important. Before Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree....They were naked and they also walked with God, spoke to God etc, etc, etc, Now another big big deal....Before they sinned they were not ashamed of being naked.....the sin is what caused them not to hear God and to be ashamed.

11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."

13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"

Debbie: And basically now they are going to pay for their disobedience to God. Pretty simple if you think about it....God gave free reign on all of Eden...There only rule was to not eat from the Tree of Knowledge. And they listened to satan instead of God......tisk tisk to Adam and Eve.

Then the rest of the scripture 14 - 24 speaks of the punishments of all three.....satan, Adam and Eve

Ok class you are dismmissed...

Thank you teacher deb!

Your most welcome my sweet daughter....