Most of the same sex partnerships I've seen have plenty of opposite sex friends hanging around so yeah.

Considering all of the single parent situations that are out there, two parents of the same sex can't be all that bad. Kids just need people there for them, that's what's important. At least same sex parents are less likely to force their own values on them.

Well said

wheres that peace pipe?

I aint touchen this chit..next topic!!!

most in likely it changes from day to day depending who's the reciever that night

excuse me no smoking

I think we are missing a huge point to all of this, there are millions of single parent homes where moms raise sons and dads raise daughters and there are also family influences... (grandmas and grandpas)

Kids are who are thar and we have to let them be whoever it is that they are. A good loving parent will not sway their child to be anything they are not. Look at all the "football" dads who ignore their sons who HATE football yet force them to play. Or the "pagent" moms who force their girls to PRISS up and they hate it.

when I was in the hospital when I was pregnant a nurse was talking to me about what would "freak" me out (ie blue hair ect ect...she had no idea I had a mohawk in high school) I told her if she comes home and wants to be a cheerleader and date the quarterback THAT would freak me out... I got a little girl who loves pink and takes ballet and is in love with Barbie, I foster that because it makes her happy.

Someone brought up the arguement that gay people have had oposite sex partners before they became gay, yes at times this is the case, but all of that happened becaue of socital pressure to "be normal"

If a parent is a good parent that's all that should matter. who they chose to love in an adult relationship should not matter in the rearing of the child. A child sees love, not any of the intricacies of that relationship. Yes, in Jr. High and High school they may get razzed or whatever, but hopefully a good loving household will teach that child to be a strong independant thinker and what a bunch of moronic kids say to them won't matter.

With all of the children in this country that are beaten abused and neglected this subject just doesn't seem to matter much, how about we raise our children healthy. How about we give them good loving homes, a warm place to sleep and food in their bellies.... and who their parents chose to love how much does that matter?

With all of the children in this country that are beaten abused and neglected this subject just doesn't seem to matter much, how about we raise our children healthy. How about we give them good loving homes, a warm place to sleep and food in their bellies.... and who their parents chose to love how much does that matter?

OMG! HOW MUCH DOES "THAT" MATTER!

EVERYTHING! The REASON a child is ABUSED is because their ABUSER
is MENTALLY "MESSED-UP", and if ANY single parent "DESIRES" to bring that person into their home and allows them to live with or marry them,,,,then IT MATTERS GREATLY!

A CHILD is neglected because the PARENT is to BUSY to "CARE"
to WANT-TO give them attention, or affection, BECAUSE of A LOT of things,but sex and drugs OUR the TWO BIGGEST reasons.

SEE to ME, WE ""ALL"" should care GREATLY about our neighbors
our friends and even strangers who our RAISING CHILDREN!
WHY? Because "WE" were given eyes and hearing and the abilities to "THINK" responsively to MATTERS of heart as to if "THEIR" being "TREATED" right by "THEIR" parents.
AND, because "THEY" (their children) "CANNOT" protect or defend "THEMSELVES".


SO,these WORDS of yours here,
and who their parents chose to love how much does that matter?

TO ME,,,it is THE MATTER that "SHOULD" involve "ALL-OF-US"
LIVING IN A HUMAN ASPECT OF MUTUAL RESPECT,CARING,and the LOVE
being "SHOWN and GIVEN" to ALL OF THIS WORLDS YOUNG CHILDREN.

Just because a child has an ABUSIVE parent, IT SHOULD NOT JUST BE "NOT SEEN" or "NOT HEARD" by "US",,and "LET IT BE".
WE should "REACT", and CALL the POLICE, or CFS.

Just "THINK" if WE ALL, were TRULY responsible and "THIS" caring, how many young children's lives could be SAVED from them growing with their minds altered through abuse!

EVERYTHING a child is exposed to GROWING, "WILL" effect their
minds and thoughts as they LEARN, AGE, and become adults.

IT has been proven that a child born of ANY RACE and language
will grow in and become THE CULTURE of their environment.

So, a child who GROWS and LEARNS abuse, MIGHT also ABUSE as an adult.
A child who GROWS without love might also not know how to show it, or FEEL it as an adult.
A child who grows in a male and female parent raising relationship will SEE that as NORMAL, and "NOT" be exposed to
NAME-CALLING, INNER THOUGHTS OF WHY'S? QUESTIONING THEIR OWN SEXUALITY,,,,,"AS MUCH", AS A CHILD WHO WOULD GROW IN ANOTHER CULTURE OF PARENTING VALUES.

I GUESS the REAL question HERE IS, "EVERY" "PERSON" or "COUPLE" who "DESIRES" to adopt a child should be "FULLY" checked-out as having a GOOD and Stable mental out-look on
life. BUT "THEN" to see and think, and feel that same sex relationships are excepted as "NORMAL" is the REAL QUESTION.
As to any child's GROWING and LEARNING in "THAT" culture
of RESPONSIBLE PARENTING.


If WE allow our society to SEE sexes as the total "SAME"?
Then WE should have in public places,,,"THE RESTROOM"
NOT,male and female..?
P.E. classes should ALL be co-ed,,,,?
WHO would be EXCEPTED on LADIES NIGHT at your local clubs?
A female POPE?
Throw Mr. and Mrs. out the window, as well as sir or miss.
WHERE would "WE" define a "STANDARD"?
HOW would "THIS" culture of living change our population in 100 years from NOW?
OH,,WAIT,,,,,I KNOW!!!!!!!!

"WHO REALLY CARE'S" "RIGHT"? WINK...

This is a topic that I am afraid to enter on because I have many gay friends who our good parents.
I don't want to have them mad at me.
But I do now see that their children our asking me questions that
have made me feel that my friends might be wrong.

Does it really make a difference if a gay couple raises a child and the values they give them then it does a single parent for either way they are seeing the values of only one sex?

Besides regardless what the parents teach them society is a big factor in the way they end up thinking about how things in life should be. Kids will take the values they learn from home and what they learn in the real world and mix them together to find their own views of how things should be.

As long as the child is raised with teaching them and loving them and not beating the hell out of them then more power to anyone that goes the adoption route and succeeds!!!

Sad how society focus's on our choice of life style,, who we choose to love and how we choose to raise our children..

One Sex does not define how he or she will parent,,, Family of one or two giving love, guidance and support is what life is all about,,,

Is my Grandson's Godfather Gay,, yes he is and I love him dearly
and he is a good fine young man as is his partner,,, thats all that matters,, and God forbid if something happen'd to me or my son and his wife I know my Grandson will be raised with love, kindness and respect,,,,

We are a society of different cultures,, different sex's yet we are a culture of Humanity,,

Blended together,, living upon Mother Earth,, let the blending move forward and learn how to once again Respect Human Kind

Terry, let me tell you something, and this I know for a fact, as I have gone through the process, if you are in a program to adopt you are put through rigorous mental and emotional testing, your relatives are interviewed, your friends are interviewed, no one gets a kid that doesn't go through all of that, yes some people are good at what they do, and can buck the system.... but my ex husband and I went through ALOT of testing to prove we were a stable family with a stable environment.

Tell me this then.... how many gay couples have been charged with child endangering vs how many straight couples? Get me those facts and figures and I will continue to debate this subject.....


You'r arguement is steming from children who are abused... not children of gay couples and the future reprocussions of said family dynamic. THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

I know what I see in life, and I have ALOT of gay friends. If anything would happen to my ex and me, and if for whatever reason our families could not care for my daughter there are 2 people in the world I would trust with her upbringing and one of them is a gay man. He has been with is partner for 15 years, how many couples can you tell me have been together that long? They are stable and secure and very loving to me and my daughter. Yes, there are gay people who are perverts...but from what I've seen there are a hell of alot more "straight" people who would do harm to a child.... (no statistics here just my own personal observations)

And this set of statements...

"If WE allow our society to SEE sexes as the total "SAME"?
Then WE should have in public places,,,"THE RESTROOM"
NOT,male and female..?
P.E. classes should ALL be co-ed,,,,?
WHO would be EXCEPTED on LADIES NIGHT at your local clubs?
A female POPE?
Throw Mr. and Mrs. out the window, as well as sir or miss.
WHERE would "WE" define a "STANDARD"?
HOW would "THIS" culture of living change our population in 100 years from NOW?
OH,,WAIT,,,,,I KNOW!!!!!!!! "

are the most upserd thing I've ever seen you type, and you say alot of upsurd things. I can't even go into how ridiculous these are, and if you don't know why, there's no hope of explaining it to you.

Does it really make a difference if a gay couple raises a child and the values they give them then it does a single parent for either way they are seeing the values of only one sex?

NOT TRUE! Texs..

A single parent raising a child CAN and MOST OFTEN OUR,
a heterosexual parent, and STILL see "THAT" value in their learning..

A SAME-SEX relationship will NEVER "SHOW" them values,
"THROUGH their children's eyes.

You are prejudice and hateful I hope that someday you find it within yourself to let go of your hate.

I'm almost 47 years old (I guess you could consider that 'older'), and until I was about 40, I thought homosexuality was wrong.

So let me say this:
Since parenting by same-sex couples is a relatively new and growing phenomenon, I find it necessary to look at today's world (and at history, as well) and ask: Have heterosexual parents been doing that great of a job raising kids? The conditions we see all around us aren't being caused by people raised by gay couples.
And there are lots of things that can and do cause what I'll call 'family role confusion'
in households with heterosexual parents, so I personally don't see that as an issue.

I think the biggest issue for these 'same-sex household' kids is going to be persecution from
people too narrow-minded to understand.

If these kids are recieving the proper love and nurturing, that's probably half the battle. I came from a 2-parent heterosexual houehold, one of 5 kids, and it was such a screwed-up family that to this day, I have no real concept of what family love is.

Yeah Baby!!

THIS,
are the most upserd thing I've ever seen you type, and you say alot of upsurd things. I can't even go into how ridiculous these are, and if you don't know why, there's no hope of explaining it to you.

Thank YOU,wink,,

Then you SEE and FEEL my views on SAME SEX RELATIONSHIPS,
A person who has been allowed to think and feel and "BELIEVE"
that "ITS A NORMAL FEELING AND DESIRE TO BE THAT AWAY".
NOW,,THEIR wanting to be "ALL" they can be with raisng children
as well.
I will once again say YES, there our GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE GAY,
and would be GREAT parents through a childs growing process if that child was STILL seeing one parent who lived a heterosexual
life style, and that child GREW with THAT parent full-time and just seen the gay parent part-time.
Where I AM TANTED,,,,is the gay guy asking to give oral sex to ANY TRUCKER who will have HIM do THAT!!!!!!

SORRY. but for over 30 years on my CB radio I have FOUGHT,QUESTIONED, and BEEN MADE SICK by their ASKING to do THAT, on my radio, and MANY kids have been with their parent or parents on a trip,who ALSO have had to HEAR that question come out and to TRY and explain what,why,and so on as to THEM asking THAT!
I well always have THAT GAY REASONING in my mind when thinking about how THAT MAN,,,,,would RAISE a CHILD if he WAS GIVEN THE CHANCE TO,,,,and my THOUGHTS OUR..if THAT CHILD was a BOY,,,,,HE WOULD BE SEXUALLY Molested in his growing-process!

you make a really good point!

tell me Terry...were those who were doing whatever it is that you eluded to the ones who want to be parents?...cuz i know some strippers and hookers who are straight and they are parents... I know some crackheads who are parents and they are straight, I know some alcoholics who are parents and they are straight, I know a 30 year old guy who was in prison for statuatory rape who is expecting a baby in a few months, I know some people who drop their kids at any random baby sitter so they can go out and get laid, and they are straight, I know a woman who had a litter of kids so she could get more welfare and child support so she never has to work again and she is straight she also uses her kids to shoplift because the kids won't get into trouble.

I also know and associate with some very stable gay cuples who are productive members of society who live calm and subdued lives.... they would be alot better for those kids than the ones I know of.

WELL,"THATS" being OPEN and understanding to MY VIEWS,huh??,lol
So ITS BELIEVE YOUR VALUES OR IM PREJUDICED AND HATEFUL
I am just a man who through this life of being opened-minded,
caring and talking with every type of person in life.
That there are MANY GAY GUYS who NOW OUR GAY,,,,because of being SEXUALLY ABUSED BY SOME SICK MALE WHEN THEY WERE A CHILD.
THATS ALL I KNOW FOR SURE! But to ME "THATS ENOUGH" to feel their a casualty of abuse to even be GAY!
And ANY abuse CAN be PASSED DOWN.
And PLEASE,,,NO,,,NOT ALL GAY GUYS WENT THROUGH THIS!
But to KNOW that MANY have and OUR because of IT,,,,it QUESTIONS their REASONING for WANTING TO BE GAY!
Because THEY were MESSED with as a child and TURNED that away,
alot THROUGH THAT CHILD HIDING IT because of SHAME!

And Lily, I DON'T have to express MY OPINIONS through TRYING to DEGRADE YOU or ANYONE through NAME CALLING!

This would be "WHAT" the kind of SHALLOW PEOPLE who give OTHERS bad names, because THEY refuse to SEE LIFE "YOUR WAY"?
So they in-ject a formal common degrading name to call someone,
as to make OTHERS SEE ABOTHER through your words? wink.

This is and is about but "a question", NOT a means to destroy
another person but to see,talk,and feel,all that the question
involves. YOU seem to have some deeper issues with the values you feel inside as to just talking about something as to resorting to degrading words that DESTROY children and , attempt to be-little adults.