Topic: LET'S FIGHT.
Fade2Black's photo
Fri 08/29/08 05:39 PM
why do we have to 'fight' at all ??

people can agree to disagree ..

:wink:

Lakeman's photo
Fri 08/29/08 05:41 PM
Edited by Lakeman on Fri 08/29/08 05:42 PM


Thumbs down...The act of a gay marriage is against the Bible for one thing...Another is that you are setting the child up for failure... releasing him into a world where he will be labeled or disgraced by the public. I guess if ya live in California you will have the best chance at this garbage but most states still consider NORMAL as being a husband and wife marriage. You can argue all day with me and it won't matter. That's my story...and I'm stickin' to it!!


and if i'm not christian and don't believe in the bible, shall i follow what you preach just because YOU believe it?

Thats where its the parents responsibility to choose correectly and shelter her baby from the idiots out there

poppycock. sometimes, no matter the quality and the character of the new partner, the child (or the adult) resist and problems are caused.


lol..You can poppycock me all ya want sweety but when it comes to rearing kids they NEED to face some of those problems and tackle those issues BEFORE they leave the protective wings of Mom AND Dad. If they have to do that in public for the first time they could end up in jail or worse!! A well rounded kid will ALWAYS have a good set of parents that have taught him right from wrong on both sides of the fence before he ventures out into the world.

papersmile's photo
Fri 08/29/08 05:43 PM
so you're saying that two men, or two women CAN'T teach a kid right from wrong?

Lakeman's photo
Fri 08/29/08 05:47 PM

why do we have to 'fight' at all ??

people can agree to disagree ..

:wink:

Just a good sparring match here...Just an example of what should be taught to a young man or woman growing up. Get ALL the knowledge and info from both sides so that they are armed to the teeth and can survive on their own. If a child is raised in high heels only...he \she will not be able to deal with the mechanic in the garage that will bilk her\him for every dollar.Just an example.

no photo
Fri 08/29/08 05:49 PM




The problem isnt with the child or the family, the problem is with society that is so quick to judge, label and condemn any behavior that deviates from that which is socially accepted ie.NORMAL



Exactly :thumbsup:

Thumbs down...The act of a gay marriage is against the Bible for one thing...Another is that you are setting the child up for failure... releasing him into a world where he will be labeled or disgraced by the public. I guess if ya live in California you will have the best chance at this garbage but most states still consider NORMAL as being a husband and wife marriage. You can argue all day with me and it won't matter. That's my story...and I'm stickin' to it!!


A child of a gay marriage will be labeled or disgraced by the public? If by that you mean people like you...

Lakeman's photo
Fri 08/29/08 05:51 PM

so you're saying that two men, or two women CAN'T teach a kid right from wrong?

Right from wrong can be taught from ANTONE but.....the interaction and difference between the male and female are VERY different. It's not impossible to do but all I am saying is that it's better to have the balance there for the child to learn from. I don't care what your religion is by the way...apparantly you don't believe in the Bible so that is a moot point here I guess!!

no photo
Fri 08/29/08 05:52 PM

so you're saying that two men, or two women CAN'T teach a kid right from wrong?


Seriously. If the child has two loving, intelligent parents, no matter their gender, they can be taught right from wrong.

Though, I guess he means his definition of right from wrong, as he thinks same sex marriages are wrong.

Lakeman's photo
Fri 08/29/08 05:55 PM





The problem isnt with the child or the family, the problem is with society that is so quick to judge, label and condemn any behavior that deviates from that which is socially accepted ie.NORMAL



Exactly :thumbsup:

Thumbs down...The act of a gay marriage is against the Bible for one thing...Another is that you are setting the child up for failure... releasing him into a world where he will be labeled or disgraced by the public. I guess if ya live in California you will have the best chance at this garbage but most states still consider NORMAL as being a husband and wife marriage. You can argue all day with me and it won't matter. That's my story...and I'm stickin' to it!!


A child of a gay marriage will be labeled or disgraced by the public? If by that you mean people like you...

I don't believe in gay marriages...If you are a lesbian..that's your problem. I will pray for your ADOPTED kids!! Wow..your family tree is lookin a bit wierd...passing blood lines means nothing to some people I guess. JUST love ..love..love...no boundaries and no cares of the consequences. Go for it.

Fade2Black's photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:00 PM
I only have one thing to say here ... how do explain to children you are raising as 'yours' that altho they are called 'yours' you are unable to procreate? to conceive? to deliver? ..

I mean with the partner you are with?

It's sad how upside down we've gotten .. not gonna fight about it, just sayin'

ohwell

papersmile's photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:00 PM
Edited by papersmile on Fri 08/29/08 06:04 PM
apparantly you don't believe in the Bible so that is a moot point here I guess!!


and apparently you know what i believe in, and what i don't (funny that, without ever having exchanged a personal conversation). so i won't argue, i'll let you continue on with that thought process drinker

no photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:03 PM
Edited by singmesweet on Fri 08/29/08 06:04 PM






The problem isnt with the child or the family, the problem is with society that is so quick to judge, label and condemn any behavior that deviates from that which is socially accepted ie.NORMAL



Exactly :thumbsup:

Thumbs down...The act of a gay marriage is against the Bible for one thing...Another is that you are setting the child up for failure... releasing him into a world where he will be labeled or disgraced by the public. I guess if ya live in California you will have the best chance at this garbage but most states still consider NORMAL as being a husband and wife marriage. You can argue all day with me and it won't matter. That's my story...and I'm stickin' to it!!


A child of a gay marriage will be labeled or disgraced by the public? If by that you mean people like you...

I don't believe in gay marriages...If you are a lesbian..that's your problem. I will pray for your ADOPTED kids!! Wow..your family tree is lookin a bit wierd...passing blood lines means nothing to some people I guess. JUST love ..love..love...no boundaries and no cares of the consequences. Go for it.


I don't remember saying that I was a lesbian. Though, now if someone is a lesbian, it's their "problem?" Wow. What would you do if your child turned out to be gay? Would you tell them it's their problem to deal with? You do realize straight people have gay children sometimes, right?

papersmile's photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:06 PM
don't believe in gay marriages...If you are a lesbian..that's your problem. I will pray for your ADOPTED kids!! Wow..your family tree is lookin a bit wierd...passing blood lines means nothing to some people I guess. JUST love ..love..love...no boundaries and no cares of the consequences. Go for it.


and will you also pray for the adopted kids of a heterosexual couple who were unable to conceive their own children and cannot continue a blood line?

Lakeman's photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:35 PM

don't believe in gay marriages...If you are a lesbian..that's your problem. I will pray for your ADOPTED kids!! Wow..your family tree is lookin a bit wierd...passing blood lines means nothing to some people I guess. JUST love ..love..love...no boundaries and no cares of the consequences. Go for it.


and will you also pray for the adopted kids of a heterosexual couple who were unable to conceive their own children and cannot continue a blood line?

Oh ,..PULEEEZE..you keep getting off the subject. I realize you are out of ammo so just admit that I have won the debate and you are done...lol
Those are circumstances that are out of controll of the people who have tried to do the right thing and raise the kids right. Accidents DO happen and some kids are mentally challenged and think they need a sex change. That is NOT what I am talking about. I am talking about the PARENTS(cough.cough) that willingly get into a gay relationship and don't think about the ramifications that they are causing in their family and bloodlines. I can see the kids in 40 years tracing the bloodlines back to....nothingness.

papersmile's photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:42 PM
Edited by papersmile on Fri 08/29/08 06:50 PM
Oh ,..PULEEEZE..you keep getting off the subject. I realize you are out of ammo so just admit that I have won the debate and you are done...lol
Those are circumstances that are out of controll of the people who have tried to do the right thing and raise the kids right. Accidents DO happen and some kids are mentally challenged and think they need a sex change. That is NOT what I am talking about. I am talking about the PARENTS(cough.cough) that willingly get into a gay relationship and don't think about the ramifications that they are causing in their family and bloodlines. I can see the kids in 40 years tracing the bloodlines back to....nothingness.


i'm not getting off the topic at all. i'm merely responding to your comments, highlighting points you are trying to make which have no bearing on the actual examples you are giving, but rather rest solely on the issue of your lack of tolerance toward homosexuality.

i haven't read or heard ANY scientific/medical evidence that homosexuals and lesbians willingly become that way.

i can be in a lesbian relationship and still continue my bloodline if i so wish. i can find a male partner to impregnate me, or i can go to the sperm bank and get artificially inseminated.

if you don't accept the lifestyle, that's fine. but don't try to sugarcoat your reasons by offering up examples like 'no bloodlines, etc.'. just call a spade a spade.

oh, and as far as waving the white flag, i can argue about this til the sun comes up, for there is no right or wrong answer, just different thought processes. i may give up, but only because there is only so much one can say over and over and over and over.

playwithmeoooolala's photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:45 PM

I only have one thing to say here ... how do explain to children you are raising as 'yours' that altho they are called 'yours' you are unable to procreate? to conceive? to deliver? ..

I mean with the partner you are with?

It's sad how upside down we've gotten .. not gonna fight about it, just sayin'

ohwell
It is sad. Its a choice everyone makes. Every person has the choice to be or not to be. We have the right to make a choice and choosing the right confused with each other.

hilly's photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:45 PM
Scientific studies continue to find evidence to support the idea that homosexuality is genetic. If you adopt a child, he or she is either straight or gay according to genetics, not according to how they are raised. You just know. I didn't have to decide whether I liked girls or guys, I just liked guys. Nobody influenced me as to what I should like. Gay people who adopt (I know some) do not try to influence their children's sexuality. If they were of the twisted mindset that they would do that, I would hope they would never get the approval to adopt.

no photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:45 PM


don't believe in gay marriages...If you are a lesbian..that's your problem. I will pray for your ADOPTED kids!! Wow..your family tree is lookin a bit wierd...passing blood lines means nothing to some people I guess. JUST love ..love..love...no boundaries and no cares of the consequences. Go for it.


and will you also pray for the adopted kids of a heterosexual couple who were unable to conceive their own children and cannot continue a blood line?

Oh ,..PULEEEZE..you keep getting off the subject. I realize you are out of ammo so just admit that I have won the debate and you are done...lol
Those are circumstances that are out of controll of the people who have tried to do the right thing and raise the kids right. Accidents DO happen and some kids are mentally challenged and think they need a sex change. That is NOT what I am talking about. I am talking about the PARENTS(cough.cough) that willingly get into a gay relationship and don't think about the ramifications that they are causing in their family and bloodlines. I can see the kids in 40 years tracing the bloodlines back to....nothingness.


You haven't won any debate. We realize you don't accept that type of lifestyle and that's fine. Just say that and be done with it.

playwithmeoooolala's photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:46 PM

devil I think 2 hot lesbians should adopt medevil

=frustrated

playwithmeoooolala's photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:49 PM

I'm with Jules on this one!


I feel same sex marriages should be able to adopt whatever sex of a child they wish too.. just because the parents are "gay" doesn't mean that child is going to be.. that's shallow thinking. noway





If that were the case then we should crack down on smoking drinking gambling....... there are so many bad and wrong things....... (i think its bad casue it can kill and make people sick) Really.

playwithmeoooolala's photo
Fri 08/29/08 06:52 PM



:wink: OK,,,but now I ask,,,WHO,,or WHAT would THAT child "call" his parents?? Who's Mom,,,and WHO'S dad?

And just to try and THINK in THAT, simplist form,,,I find it HARD to think that their viewing of their parents affections would seem MORE NORMAL,,than a male and female couple.....
Just as most of us older people seen gay life styles as NOT normal

:heart: Im NOT bashing,,im really worried about our future generations of kids..


Worried about our future generations? Why? Because they're going to be more tolerant and open than the older generations? That would be a good thing, wouldn't it?
A generation is just 10 years, GOD'S words have been told for 1000's of years, yet in the past 20 years WE AS A PEOPLE have NOW thought to do whatever WE WANT.
And FEEL that "THIS" new CHANGE is a "GOOD THING"?
SEE "NOW" alot of people see the same sex as desire to do, or be.
And I think OK, thats their lives and "COOL".
But when you ask of me THINKING its ok for them to raise children that they CAN'T make themselves, and adotion is their only way of having children,,I feel that the childrens out-looks will be tainted through their own observations in growing-up.
I raised three kids and their all stright, and I have seen the devastation of my daughters husbands ex-wife (of four kids) turn to being in a gay relationship after their children were from ages 14 years old down to 4 years old.
Her new family has been through alot with their real mother's change in preferences. SO I have watched their feelings and their thoughts to see first hand how it has affected them.
And THATS WHY, I thought I'd run this post,,to ask...



I feel that the childrens out-looks will be tainted through their own observations in growing-up.

That stuck out for me. This is true for any parent and any child.