are there contradictions in the bible so absolute that they just can't be explained away with faith or logic or with the famous line that one must be a believer to understand..so instead of supplying an answer to the questions that may arise from the contradiction it is usually dismissed, over looked or taken off topic in which it slowly fades away into the abyss ..

this thread is dedicated to writing "The Third Testament" a list of contradictions and/or questions that points out that perhaps whats written in the bible or added in the scriptures after the bible was constructed as simply being false beyond explanation ...

this thread may seem like an attempt to disprove a belief but since this is a "RELIGIOUS DEBATING FORUM" where such topic are normally addressed perhaps it should be viewed as a positive attempt to give believers an opportunity to share the knowledge of their belief by supplying the answers to puzzling questions

of course since this a "DEBATING FORUM" anyone is welcome to explain the contradictions or add or ask questions that perhaps may puzzle them but if the contradiction or questions are not explained beyond the inclusion of faith but over looked then that question or contradiction will be added to The Third Testament as part of a permanent list which will constantly resurface until or unless the contradiction is explained beyond a falsehood

so do you have a question or a contradiction that should be included in the "The Third Testament"

You should write it Funches

then I like God would be guilty of constructing scripture absolute without giving any consideration to the opinions of others

The first testament it was Joseph.
The second Jesus.
I suppose there should be a new character.

hmmm?, let me think on this funches.

well, i don't think so because i believe it will turn into a copy and paste war as usual, but i wish you sucess. Seem's nothing can stay on track in the religious forum and sometimes i'm to blame for that as much as anybody else -

but this does bring up a question ..I notice that to make content appear to be true the term "inspired by God" is sometimes used ..when asked about the term it is never explained clearly and does appear to be an attempt at deception when used

so the question becomes does the term "inspired by God" means that the works of the author was handed to them personally by God like when God spoke to Moses or does it mean that the author was inspire to write the works as their own interpetation that had nothing to with God personally or does it refer to the author placing themselves into the mind or into the role of God and that the works is what God would have thought or set forth

I already perpared for a cut and paste attack or an attempt to take if off topic ..if the question or contradiction is dealt with in that manner it will be deem unexplanable and added to The Third Testament until it can be explained by one's own thoughts on topic

in the first testament they was an attempt to make Yahweh God
in the second testament there was a coup d'etat to make Jesus God
maybe in the third testament there will be an attempt to make the holy spirit god

Sam, didn't you say in another thread that the Bible said that fallen angels had sex with humans? And you felt that was a contradiction because it also claims that angels are sexless?

I'm curious about that. Could you show where it says both of these things? Where does it say that angels are sexless (I do believe that it must say that because I've heard that often).

And can you show where it suggests that angels had sex with humans?

If it truly does say both of those things I think that would be a pretty blatant contradiction.

I personally feel that there are a lot of contraditions. Just for the sake of everyone's sanity, I'll just offer one for now.

God is supposed to be unchanging. Yet at one point in time he so hates the world that he drowns out all of humanity save for a few people in a boat. Then later he so loves the world that he sends his only begotten son to be crucified to pay for the disobedience of man.

So which is it? Does he so love the world? Or so hate the world? And why did a supposedly unchanging God change the way he handles the same problem?

Notice also that both solutions required violent acts.

That's a contradiction too. A supposely all-wise, all-loving God always solves problems using horrid violent acts.

That doesn't seem very wise to me. But I suppose that's a subjective opinion.

funches......such wise KEEN sight that perceive and divide deception into truth...........

indeed a greatest strength to be admired..........

things of the unseen realm be a gift, just as breath, and the one that gave breath, give of the same.....

if one find and describe how breath has come to be, then would not this unveil the answers looked for, and that sight has already been created in to see........

abra, you got me on that, hahaha this is what i was taught in catholic school, so i would have to look into where it talks of those things and i don't have a bible - but if i remember correctly it was in genesis just before god talked to Noah, where the "son's of god" EI: angels (as i was taught) found the women beautiful and took them for wives, which Pi##ed god off. Now I'm assuming that if they were angels - that they would have to be fallen angels or why would god be mad about it? i try to get a online bible if i can to look into in further. and as to the other part - about angels being neither man nor women, that to was when i was in school, i will have to see where that's stated also or if it's just catholic holdings or not. give me some time on that.

indeed, it has already become as you speak.......

this is extra biblical but it mat give support to what i was taught.


Genesis 6:4 states "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days --and also afterwards-- when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." The Nephilim were a race of giants that were produced by the sexual union of the sons of God (presumably fallen angels) and the daughters of men. Translated from the Hebrew texts, "Nephilim" means "fallen ones." They were renowned for their strength, prowess, and a great capacity for sinfulness.
The origination of the Nephilim begins with a story of the fallen angels. Shemhazai, an angel of high rank, led a sect of angels in a descent to earth to instruct humans in righteousness. The tutelage went on for a few centuries, but soon the angels pined for the human females. After lusting, the fallen angels instructed the women in magic and conjuring, mated with them, and produced hybrid offspring: the Nephilim.

The Nephilim were gigantic in stature. Their strength was prodigious and their appetites immense. Upon devouring all of humankind's resources, they began to consume humans themselves. The Nephilim attacked and oppressed humans and were the cause of massive destruction on the earth.

Two texts of central import to the story of the Nephilim, the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls, mention several names for the Nephilim. The diverse kinds of these giants are cited in several passages. They are variously referred to as Emim, or "Terrors" (Gen. 14:5; Deut. 2:10), Rephaim, or "Weakeners" or "Dead Ones" (2 Sam. 23:13; 1 Chron. 11:15), Gibborim, or "Giant Heroes" (Job 16:4), Zamzummim, or "Achievers" (Deut. 2:10), Anakim, or "Long-necked" (Deut. 2:10; Josh. 11:22, 14:15), and Awwim or "Devastators" and "Serpents." Other giants are mentioned in these texts as well, such as Goliath (2 Sam. 21:19), a giant with twelve fingers and twelve toes who is mentioned as one of the Rephaim (2 Sam. 21:20), and a tall Egyptian (1 Chron. 11:23). The passage of Numbers 13:26-33 recounts the Nephilim of Canaan that Joshua and the other Hebrew spies saw. Furthermore, according to Judaic lore, a certain one of the Nephilim, Arba, built a city, Kiriath Arba, which was named for its builder and is now known as Hebron.

The wickedness of the Nephilim carried with it a heavy toll. Genesis 6:5 alludes to the corruption that the Nephilim had caused amongst humans and themselves: "The Lord saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become..." Their evil rebellion had incurred both the wrath and grief of God. God instructed the angel Gabriel to ignite a civil war among the Nephilim. He also chose Enoch, a righteous man, to inform the fallen angels of the judgment pronounced on them and their children. God did not allow the fallen angels any peace, for they could not lift their eyes to heaven and were later to be chained. The end of the Nephilim came about in the war incited by Gabriel, in which the giants eventually annihilated each other.


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and yes it is in gen chpt 6 -


Chapter 6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born unto them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose. 3 And Jehovah said, My spirit shall not strive with man for ever, for that he also is flesh: yet shall his days be a hundred and twenty years. 4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown. 5 And Jehovah saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented Jehovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.


i'll continue to look for the other as i have time.

OK a quick reference on the Internet brought up Jesus telling the pharisees in MTTH: chpt@@ vs 30

" for in the ressurection they neither marry or are given in marriage but are as the - angels - of god in heaven - notice he states angelic angels not fallen angels.

but I'll look for more. as I'm sure they will say of this that it does not directly state that the - angels were sexless. It may be a catholic concept i'm not sure.

perhaps as heaven or a higher realm allows any form as all possibilities to be possible, then nothing is trapped as one sex, and as so one may have experience of any creature, and would explain why many try to simulate while mortal............

ok, that's as far as i'm going on this subject to much trime looking and i have not used exegisis to do so - so i'm sure it will be shot dwn by someone

but at least it's a start if you wan't to continue to look into it abra, sorry - just not that interested myself.

"G-D" didnt write any scriptures. Men did.

Thanks for the info Tribo. I'm not that interested either. I mean, it's interesting just for its own sake. But I'm already completely convinced of the Bible's self-contraditions just concerned with the behavior of God. No need to look up extra stuff.

I just thought it would be entertaining.