I meant good one but feel free to share updates on both

Nothing from good date, I am supposed to contact him. Bad date messaged me back and apologized, saying he had no idea he was "that bad"....

I'm sure he is a nice guy, and clueless as to what went wrong. He said he had no idea it was bad, and he was just shy, and had so much fun....

Regardless, if there is no being in tune with me and picking up on my cues!.... Hint: eyes bugging and rolling while talking about the ex was an easy give away as to if I was having fun. Oh and the mouth hanging open. If he'd looked at me at all, engaged in conversation.....

I simply can't go on.

another one.... was a third date though and you think talking about an ex is bad?

i drove on the date, we went dancing at a local bar.. well my brother happens to be there. end up sitting with him and his friends. my brother <single> mentions to my date about how cute someone there was... then he replies back to my brother about her and then someone else... it went on for 30 min conversations about other gals in the dance bar place from tatas to faces and butts.. trust me 30 min of being ignored and all the talk about chcking out other gals was a long time... yes i did time it..! well i needed to lose the one drink i had<if u know what i mean> so i just got up and did without a word.. im sure it wasnt noticed that i even left.. i decided to just go home.. so that i did like an hour later i guess they noticed i was gone my brother called me wondering where i was i said home where i belong.. guess your buddy will have to find his own way home

well Lilith, at least he apologized that was nice. He seems to be a nice person, but would you be interested in another attempt?

Love is so very special
Yet can make you feel so lost
It can arrive just like the springtime
And melt away like morning frost

You must find ways to nurture
Always grow your love with care
Never ever take for granted
The love that you both share

Mistakes are bound to happen
You may hurt each other's heart
Yet don't give up to easily
It will tear your love apart

Love resembles a bright flame
That lights a dark starry night
Never ever let this flame burn down
Rekindle with all your might

Take a moment every day
Look deep into each other's eyes
Never hesitate to show affection
Small gestures will keep a love alive

Talk openly about your feelings
Take time to show that you care
Treasure each and every moment
Because to find true love is rare

- Connie Thomas Lugo -

maybe i should of got up and asked a guy to dance since we never did dance. danced away then dissapeared?

Ahh Buttons....

I've had bad dates, and I mean really bad.

This guy I met, we went to the movies, and then he took me right home saying he did not feel well. Second date he took me to a karoke(sp?) bar where he sung all night. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, we went out a third time, where I decided something about him just creeped me out. He also tells me on the third date that he was divorced and had been married for NINE years, and lied about his age (and having hair as well). He always wore a hat.

That date ended and I was done. Done. So he calls me at three am the next morning and says, "I'm sitting in your driveway, I want to come in" [No intimacy with guy ever] and proceeds to tell me he has "powers". He gave this example: a guy teased him in high school so he carried around an index card with the guy's name on it, and he put it in the car, next to his bed, everywhere. After a few years, the guy got in an accident and was paralyzed. Alan, my 'date', said he knew he made it happen by thinking about him and I'd keep that in mind if I was smart. Ewwwwww.

I called my neighbor and had him come over and sleep on my couch. I told Alan Powers if he called me again I'd get a restraining order.

Im in ur head keelin ur dreemz

wow!!! where do we meet these freaks eh? i have to say ive had many more good dates than bad ones though

Fran: No second date.

Here is a summary of his mail:

OMG, was I that bad? I had a wall up and others did not care what I went through. I don't want to get hurt again. I agree you shouldn't have to deal with that.

As far as not looking at you, I am just shy.

That is a summary of what he said.

Here is a question, if you get feedback that no eye contact is disrespectful and hurtful/ill mannered.... how can you just say, "oh well I'm shy?"

oooooo got one more!! no two lol! both were first dates

wow Lilith and Buttons

Hell all my dates have been a blessings compared to both of you...

Agree Lilith, I'd have interpreted not as shy but lack of interest. Imagine even when we go to the grocery store we look at people/cashiers, fellow shoppers in the eye, expect the same on a date.

Well, you can't go through life not looking people in the eye. It is just flat out rude. I totally agree. As to his ex, he just glossed over that, huh? I mean, saying others "did not care" what he went through? What, I'm supposed to cry over his loss on a date? I need to "understand" the depth of his hurt? WTH???

I'm sorry, but he was a stranger. TMI....

met this guy online... only seen his pictures he was just ok looking. i get there and he is a doll!!! i was shocked he took such bad pictures.. he was in great shape too since he works out everyday for 2 hours for the last 10 yrs. i get to the place we went for dinner... well knowing him for a bit online i had 3 months earlier broken up with my bf... he knew of him from being online... so he asked me... mind you "he"asked me!! a lot of questions about my ex. he had seen pictures of my ex before.. and he would not shut up about my ex lol finally i got him to... but he kept making snide remarks about my ex cause he was chubby... that was the last date with him

For most men finding something to SAY at all to a female is one of the toughest "tasks" they face as a collective. The downside to hitting on a female is "striking out".

The upside to hitting on a female is that you only have to talk for a minute or so. Your personality and creativity and charm are all jam packed into a quick jolt of infatuated excitement. When you finally take the plunge and take that same female out on a first date you have to make all of the charm and excitement last.

Don't forget YOU asked HER out so the ball is really in your court to keep her entertained and prove to her you're not a one-minute-one-hit-wonder.

"How much money do you make"? That is one of the many things you DON'T talk about on a date. Your income, penis size or ex-girlfriends is absolutely off the list of things to talk about on a date. You should know better by now anyway because you are a man not a boy. If you are a you're a young guy reading this then you wanting to be a man is what brought you (like many others) to Seduction Insider to begin with: To share the wisdom of love, sex, and dating… yes even dating.

First dates have many do's and don'ts - but nothing comes without trying.

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Nothing is closer to the heart than family. Is she from a big family? Does she want a family? Was she abandoned by her family? This is revealing stuff for future reference. Do you want kids? Do you want marriage? She needs to know things too you know.

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Are you comedic, sardonic, sarcastic or otherwise the class clown? If so you are in like Flynn because the only time a woman does not want to talk is when she is laughing. If you two are laughing all night she will leave knowing this much: She had a great time.

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Some guys like smart chicks. The best way to find out is talk about something ultra intelligent and see how many questions she asks or how much she knows on the subject. Start with science and work down the ladder to art. Ask questions that test common knowledge not academics (later).

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Talk about yourself. Talk about what you like and dislike and maybe you will find out sooner than later that you two are a match or maybe you are not. Some girls would rather listen than talk and some guys would rather talk than listen - perfect.

6. Good Taste
The food you are eating or the clothes she is wearing are great subject matter. Do you have something to offer in the way of fashion or cuisine? Show off because girls like those subjects and are impressed by comprehension of them.

7. Testing II
People with a formal education love to talk about where they went to school and what they studied because it took up a big chunk of their life and some stay very close to their alma matter by attending games and school functions such as fund raisers. This is boring stuff to me but whatever.

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Current events such as the war in Iraq are hot topics for anyone with the slightest political vane. Talk about what is going on locally or nationally that affects you personally then that will show you if there is any stimulus being invested from her.

9. All work and no play…
The workplace or our careers consume a great deal of time for each of us so it is not a stretch to talk about what we do for a living and how we are affected by it. Stay away from badmouthing employees or bosses because that sounds bitter and you don't that.

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Okay you knew it was coming, did you think I was giving that one up so easily? Sex is what every guy wants to talk about that is why we want you to read the other 9 first. Stay away from this subject unless you got nothing left or she goes there first. If not you look like every other guy who wants to have sex with her. Be original.

Being original or creative or funny or narcissistic are all ways to start a conversation on the first date but remember it is a "conversation" and so your efforts MUST include her. The first tip on questions is the most important (yes even over humor or sex) because you can't understand how she works if you don't know anything about her.

No matter how it is going, you should always try to answer every question or finish every story with a QUESTION about her or her past or her future. Keep this rule of thumb handy, "If it is important to her, it is important me".

Woman LOVE to talk about themselves. Women LOVE to talk about themselves.

See now I have told you that 3 times - so the key to talking to girls on a date is: Let her do ALL the talking.

thats why I ask, read so many people stating to give this guy another chance, he was shy, standing up for him - but I saw it as WTF! sounds like a personal problem. but that's just my opinion

Lee, has Chief PUA invaded you?

I invaded him.



From behind

this guy i met while out with girlfriends dancing...we were sitting at the table next to this group... come to find out after i danced with the guy a few times it was a company x-mas party they all had dinner there earlier then rolled into the bar to dance.. he was quite a good looking man... he was 50 and i was about 38. i never dated older before this... ok so turns out i was attracted to him and gave him my number. after giving him my number<he asked me for it> i find out that he had taken out all of his employees.. he owned 3 nice hair salons two was more like a spa. so he calls and long conversations seemed like a nice guy... i decide to go to dinner with him... he orders for me steak and lobster im good with that then we went to where we met and went dancing all is good great still..well we go to the parking lot after and he then tells me he owns that salon attatched to the same building.. he tells me to grab things off the shelf well geesh im not greedy felt sort of strange.. but he insisted so i took only 1 thing lol and he grabbed another and locked up the salon.. he drives me home and i made the mistake of smooching him goodnight!!! he had come in when we got to my house .. and pretty much right away <with not a kiss in there> whips out his donkey i sent him on his way home.... lmao he made some comments i dont recall what.. other than that everyone he dates sleeps with him what is wrong with me? lmao.. whatever!!!told him i wasnt a hooker then two weeks later i see him at a different dance place while i was on a date.. and he is picking up a hooker! he had the gull to come over to the table where my date and i was sitting and ask me to dance! and he could tell i was on a date! cause it was a good date