ah - mob mentality - now i get it!

For you ok..........if you say so.

one doesn't have to do sin but like you said "We All Do it" ....and why do we all do it ...because committing sin is human nature ...take sin out of the equation and exactly what is there left to do

Funches said:




That's bull crap funches.

Sin is only defined within religious doctrine. Out side of religious doctrine, "sin" has no meaning.

JB

Would it then JB be right from wrong?....and would you know if you did right or if you did it? Or Karma or whatever you want to call it......No man or woman has not ever escaped it.......and if you think you have your either crazy or delusional..

We all do it.....agreed.....but I know before I do it....and make that decision to do or not do.......right.

Wow, that's premeditated sin then. (If you know before you do it, then why do you do it? Are you counting on being forgiven?)

For me, when I make a mistake and learn from it, I consciously strive to not make that mistake again if I am aware of it.

JB

Don't twist what I say JB.....and no it's no premeditated sin....because I know therefore allows me not to act on the sin. And did I say I did it....I don't believe I did.

I noticed also that the post I did before you skipped right over...how interesting and typical is that......When I hit it on the nose you avoid...but when I add something that you can twist and turn to how you want to view it....you jump on it...Why is that?

we all do that deb, it's part of what we read and find fault wit much of most replies are only captured and answered because there is no reason to comment on the rest.


so your favorite girl band is heart huh?

Feralcat said;





Well it seemed like you said you did. Your words were: "We all do it.....agreed.....but I know before I do it....and make that decision to do or not do.......right.



Truthfully, I missed that one. It is answered below:





Feralcat:


I am not sure what you are asking. But when I say that the word "sin" is meaningless outside of religious doctrine I mean that it is so connected to standard religious dogma you can't expect anyone outside of that mindset to adhere to its implications because it's meaning is to disobey the Biblical concept of God's laws.

Yes I have a sense of right and wrong, particularly the obvious ones. But as I have said, right and wrong are still personal opinions.

I am not a Christian so I don't accept the accusation that I have sinned or that I am a sinner because those words are owned by religious doctrine of which I am not a part. I don't use those terms and I don't accept that role or mind set.

Yes I have made mistakes. Life and learning is trial and error, cause and effect. If you don't learn from your mistakes you repeat them, and you reap what you sow. That's Karma.

JB

Sin defined "within religious doctrine" is what it is outside of it.

A mistake. The words are synonymous.

Granted, one rarely finds the word "sin" outside of a religious setting, or the toungue 'n cheek humor of Madison Avenue (as it were). However, that does not mean there is no "meaning or understanding" of sin outside of religious connotation.

Murder is considered a "sin". I doubt an Atheist or a Christian would have trouble discerning what is being meant here.

I did not say there was no meaning or understanding of what the word "sin" is believed to imply. (But it loses its meaning outside of the religious mindset.) People are conditioned to accept it because it is used a lot. But it still implies religious doctrine.

A mistake is a mistake and it will have consequences.They can range to very small or very massive.

Murder is a crime according to a society who has laws against it.

It is a "sin" according to religious doctrine.

When you go to court, generally they speak of crime, not sins. Sins are spoken about in Church.

If you don't think that the word "sin" is only properly to be used within a religious doctrine then try starting your own cult or religion and defining your own laws or your own god and calling anyone who breaks those laws "sinners."

For example: You are the cult leader and your law is that everyone should be generous enough share their wives with you. Anyone who refuses commits the "sin" of selfishness and jealousy. Wives who refuse to have sex with you are "sinners."

"Sin" is a term used within a religious doctrine and it means to disobey the rules of your god or your Lord.

The idea of sin is also connected with guilt and morality. All of these are related to religious doctrine and opinions of right and wrong. Sins need to be forgiven by god.

Crimes are related to society and the laws of society, and justice and punishment. Crimes must be paid for by punishment, jail, fines, etc.

Because people are both religious and belong to a society, they get these terms confused and mixed up with each other.

JB

"JennieBean" you are allowing your religious beliefs to limit the meaning of the word "sin".. you are trying to exist in a state of denial that the word "sin" is not only part of the American culture but exist through out the world.. the word "sin" could be used to describe a "guilty pleasure" ... your insistence that the word "sin" lack meaning beyond religious doctrine is delusional ..

I vote delusional

according to your belief aren't you suppose to make the decision to never do it ...but according to human nature you have no choice but to do it ..Human Nature will always override what God commands you to do ...you have no choice but to sin ..that is God's gift to you ...so enjoy

According the Bible it's ok to stone your unruly childrend to death.

In fact, it would be a sin not to because sin is disobedience to God. And God said that you are to stone your unruly children to death. So to not do it is to disobey God.

Same goes for stoning your sinning neighbors to death. To not do it is to sin because God said to do it, and therefore to refrain from doing it is to disobey God.

In fact, anyone who claimn to worship the biblical God would need to murder all heathens, their familes, friends, and entire villages from whence they came.

Evidently we are all sinners because we aren't obeying God's directives. We have choosen our own moral values of compassion which we place on a higher level than God's directives.

And keep in mind that Jesus himself said that he did not come to change God's laws. So if you want to guit sinning you better start flinging stones at sinners and heathens.

Otherwise you're flatly refusing to do the will of God.

So why are you sinning then Feralcat?

Feralcat said;



Don't twist what I say JB.....and no it's no premeditated sin....because I know therefore allows me not to act on the sin. And did I say I did it....I don't believe I did.

JB

Well it seemed like you said you did. Your words were: "We all do it.....agreed.....but I know before I do it....and make that decision to do or not do.......right.

Debbie

Do you lead a perfect life JB....Have you never done anything wrong.....there is no person on this planet that doesn't.......That is what I said, and yes this includes me.

Debbie

I noticed also that the post I did before you skipped right over...how interesting and typical is that......When I hit it on the nose you avoid...but when I add something that you can twist and turn to how you want to view it....you jump on it...Why is that?

Truthfully, I missed that one. It is answered below:


Feralcat:

Would it then JB be right from wrong?....and would you know if you did right or if you did it? Or Karma or whatever you want to call it......No man or woman has not ever escaped it.......and if you think you have your either crazy or delusional..


I am not sure what you are asking. But when I say that the word "sin" is meaningless outside of religious doctrine I mean that it is so connected to standard religious dogma you can't expect anyone outside of that mindset to adhere to its implications because it's meaning is to disobey the Biblical concept of God's laws.

Debbie:

I am not talking just about sin...I am saying have you ever done anything wrong? Christians call it sin.....you can call it wrong doing, or bad kharma whatever you wish....it is all the same. And it has nothing to do with what I am speaking right now with Biblical concept or God's laws...I am talking about human laws right now. If you ever stole anything as a kid, were mean to a classmate, gossiped, that is what I would call right from wrong, bad kharma or sin.

JB

Yes I have a sense of right and wrong, particularly the obvious ones. But as I have said, right and wrong are still personal opinions.

I am not a Christian so I don't accept the accusation that I have sinned or that I am a sinner because those words are owned by religious doctrine of which I am not a part. I don't use those terms and I don't accept that role or mind set.

Debbie: You think that right from wrong can be up for interpretation.....I don't think they can....Just as a child every person knows right from wrong...and can ignore it to fit a need....Well the same applies to sin.....I know it, and yet I still do it my way...The only difference is I know it.
and I don't justify it away.

JB

Yes I have made mistakes. Life and learning is trial and error, cause and effect. If you don't learn from your mistakes you repeat them, and you reap what you sow. That's Karma.


Debbie: I agree 100% If you make mistakes with relationships, or children, then yes I agree you learn from them and then you let them go.....There is a reason why it's called the past....learn and let it go. But I am talking about going to the next level here. Example if you think that beating your child will help either of you learn, that is just not so....For the person who does it at the time, they are justifying their actions at the time...That is not only a mistake, bad karma but a grave sin....Do you see what I am trying to say...the difference between just mistakes in life...and life altering choices. So it's not just "sin" in the religious context......

Because I am human Belushi

double post.