I suppose Fanta is smarter than Steve Coll and knows much more than he does as well. He must have the inside men and resources to get such information.

It was actually "Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001" that won him the Pulitzer Prize.

GREAT HORNEY TOADS!
Yosemite Sam

Is that a Haskin Robbins Ice Cream parlour in Russian behind you?

Sometimes it is very hard to find the truth when you have a huge propaganda machine to prepare for unpopular wars . Remember that wars mean killings and to have the citizens support the killings , a mass media propaganda is required . I read in some very fair reports that many interviews and videoes were fake and although the media knew they were fake they showed them as realible .
A : How can a sick man with kidney problems and dialysis machines survive a brutal war ?.
B : How can he escape and Saddam be captured although Saddam had more power than he ?.
C : How did the French media report he was dead ?.
D : How come he was not captured or killed ?.
The answer might be very clear : if they say he is dead it means the war on terror is dead . But the Administration wants this war to be forever and to be used against any country they wish to bomb .
E : Does this make sense ?.
Yes , it does in fact .

There's an old saying in the real world sailor that says never underestimate your enemy!
Of course you couldn't learn that unless you actually had to fight yourself!

Personally, Id have already tracked Osama down and killed him. Underestimating him is what GWB has done despite the first hand accounts of his bravery and military tacticial genius from knowledgeable westerners who actually fought with him. Some of these CIA, many private mercenaries, who hired out to fight against the Soviets!
You have no credibility at all. Either in military tactics or known knowledge about Osama's deeds! You should read some at least!
I'll just dismiss your arrogant lack of knowledge for what it is, immaturity!

Slowhand,

Please explain the first five on your list if you think its so accurate.

1. greed - makes no sense at all. The dude was born rich!
2. envy - Who is he envious about? His family is one of the most respected and powerful in all the ME! He is a Prince! This makes no sense either!
3. fear- The man, who didn't have too (see above) volunteered to go to Afghanistan and fight the Soviets. At one time even setting up a camp within sight of a major Soviet Base. His exploits as recorded by others, not him (including westerners, during battle prove he is not a coward!
4. money- I think we've covered this, but lets look at how much of his own money he spent fighting the Soviets! Again, makes no sense.
5. power- I hate repeating myself, but he could be leading a much better life sitting fat and sassy in Saudi Arabia as a potential air to the throne. After all he is a Prince!

Ok, that pretty much blows 50% of your list away!
I will stop there!

Steve Coll, a Pulitizer Prize winning author and journalist, is immature? He lacks knowledge and has no credibility either?

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A GREAT article on Massoud, the CIA in Afghanistan and their relationship with Massoud, and the search for bin Laden there: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3853553

Steve Coll wrote a great book, much more lengthier than the lengthy story from the source above called Ghost Wars.

Steve Coll is a Pulitzer Prize-winning American journalist and writer. Ghost Wars won him the prize in 2005.

This from sailor. Doctorer of facts and figures, King of the NeoCons who says hes a Democrat!
Boy Genius and master of momma and Daddies basement!

I have done more in one year of my life than you will in 20.
I have wrote many research papers on Afghanistan and the Soviet Invasion.
Hell, I was actually alive back then. Better yet, I was in the military when in all took place!
I cant vouch for Steve Coll, but I do know far more on the subject than you'll ever read in the Bushy Indoctrination manual little one!

This is pretty much what I gathered sir, yet why would Saudia Arabia believe that Saddam Hussein's forces would want to invade or attack Saudia Arabia? Did he have a grudge with them also?

As far as I understand Saddam Hussein wanted to reclaim Kuwait for in history it was a part of Iraq. He believed that that part of the country belongs to the Iraqi people. So if this is to be true why would he want to attack Saudia Arabia?

Did the Saudia Arabian family monarchs truly believe Saddam would be a threat or did they listen to advisors from other countries to believe that they would be a threat?

Also and I am sorry to make this so long. Why did we even get involved in the affairs of the Middle East. Where we paid to save Kuwait or do we think we are obligated to make sure every country is a democracy? If this is to be true then why don't we have forces in much more dire areas of the world where slavery, religious wars, and difference of opinions happen.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

John

A resort to a solely based personal attack. How old are you again? I based all that I said off of studies as well, mostly though DIRECT from Steve Coll. The fact you launched a solely personal attack and belittlement without providing these vast research papers that say something different than the Pulitzer Prize winning Steve Coll on the subject says alot.

Thats funny smiles.

Old enough to be your Daddy!!

Of course if I was you'd be much wiser and less arrogant and nasty!!

How old are you? 14?

Nice job of the duck and cover. Steve Coll said it right, you got caught with your pants down, so you decided to use childish face icons, belittle and personally attack someone far younger than you, and totally ignore the subject, which Coll has you seriously bested in. And, I based everything I said directly off of it.

A 6'6" Saudi, hiding in that region of the world and he hasn't been "discovered" yet?! Come on! He must be hiding with the Easter Bunny!

Seriously, I think he loathes the "coercion" between the American and his own Saudi "regimes" and their lifestyle as well.

Of course you did!
People just like you won him a Pulitzer, not because he knows what he's writing about!
If Id have used him as a reference Id have been laughed at and failed!
Instead I made A's.

He's probably in Iran!

Yes, Saudi Arabia did see Saddam and Iraq as a threat. I could go on at length, but I do remembering reading in various books about the scuds that Iraq did fire at Saudi Arabia. A few actually killed American troops in Iraq, but most of them were to hurt Saudi Arabia. I did a search on google and finally found the evidence to support the scuds hitting Saudi Arabia. Wasn't easy.

From the book, on Google's Book Site, called Desert Storm: Forgotten War.

"During the war Iraq launched 88 SCUD missiles (46 against Saudi Arabia....)" - Desert Storm: A Forgotten War By Alberto Bin, Richard Hill, Archer Jones, page 101. http://books.google.com/books?id=KgD1VyCgGAYC&pg=PA101&lpg=PA101&dq=46+scuds+
from+Iraq+entered+Saudi+Arabia&source=web&ots=q
MuLd7QkUP&sig=HceWNE59JUlrOCMY0DRBwa1Tgvo&hl=en
&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=9&ct=result#PPA101,M1

Link is soooo long I had to assist in editting it or it screwed up the thread. Might be spaces when you copy and paste it so take them out or post it in line by line.

They have that cited, in the footnote on page 101, you see where they got that information from.


There is also personal and diplomacy, as well as historical issues between Iraq and Saudi Arabia that are complex. I'm going to end with the Scud thing, but there is alot behind animosity, I actually read awhile back that Saudi Arabia was aiding Iran in the Iran-Iraq War, and that is another reason for being a bit angry, plus the relationship they had with the US. Bahrain and Qatar were actually hit by a very few Scuds from Iraq as well, likely due to US relations as well.

Iran sent the troops and fought the Taliban and Al qaeda in Afghanistan .
So this explains much on this idea .

Iran sent the troops and fought the Taliban and Al qaeda in Afghanistan .
So this explains much on this idea .