I believe we are all connected on the quantum level. Quantum physics backs this up.

This is a basic pantheistic view.

While we are all connected, we are still individuals.

We are not exactly a hive mentality, although we are similar to one. A hive mentality is like bees, they work together as one mind.

Humans work together as one mind to some extent as they collectively create the reality in which they live. The reason there are so many variations in societies and cultures on the earth is because humans are creatures who are evolving away from the hive mentality and becoming more and more individual.

As a creature's consciousness evolves away from the whole (or the hive mentality,) they become more individual and more self aware and they perceive that separateness more and more until they become unaware of their connection to the whole.

But we are still connected to the whole and part of that which is called "God" is the whole.

As we evolve to a point where we look for self, we look within for self, and that is when we find that I AM that is god.

Hence all god realized individuals are both themselves and god. That is why I can understand the concept that Christians think of as Jesus being God and yet separate from God. (The Father, the son, the Holy spirit)

They are all the same ~~ just as all things are connected. They are connected and yet they are separate and individual.

It is a paradox. To be one and to also be individual is a paradox. But that is the way I see it.

JB

That was very well put.

As all philosophies are that's quite interesting.
I thought however that evolution was based on the survival of the fittest. would we not be better evolutionarily if we evolved back together. Thus ending wars. Individuality and survival don't go hand in hand to well...

The term "evolution" is very often thought of in relation to Darwin's theory. But his theory was lacking because it did not include the spiritual aspects of it and only barely scratched the surface of the true process in my opinion.

Evolution and the survival of the fittest is to me more like an experiment. Let's mix this with this and see what happens, or lets put these two creatures together and see what happens. One might eat the other one, or they might become partners in survival.

But one has to wonder where does all this information go? I believe it never gets lost and that it is held in the unconscious collective universal mind, (of the body of 'god') which is like the hive mind I spoke of, accessible to evolving things.



JB

I used to be a member of Eckankar because I wanted to learn how to get out of my body. (Soul travel) But that turned into a stupid cult so I abandoned it.

But what they talked about was achieving first a thing they called "self realization" and then achieving "god realization."

When I got to the "self realization" point that's when I realized I was God, so I told them "Thank you very much" and left the cult.

LOL They hated that.

How dare I reach god realization! That was supposed to have taken my entire life as a dedicated member of their cult.

What can I say, I'm a quick study.

great thought spoken here, and all agreement from this end, and all religious ROOT of all religions could agree, along with principles of nature, if only the bees were just as coming first as "seperated", a swarm sent ultimately to find the hive, each only being capable of finding the hive by accessing wisdom from within, intuition, heart, gut, god, whole truth, causing each to trancend "thru" fear, each finding individuality, understanding, courage, then wisdom, each arriving to the hive, some first, some last, each seeing by living experience, one truth, that the "honey" is not "totally" accessed until ALL have arrived safely, creating incentive of WANT to remove personal agenda from FIRST position, creating ambition for unity, eliminating thirst of personal power, creating stewardship and love, perfecting leadership skills, balancing power with humility, creating vital skills for unity and peace, all created by cause and effect, honesty by all, leading to no ONE individual or religion, all fragments becoming as one fragment, one and all capable of immortal living in harmony, and the hive is able to be revealed, and the honey is GOOD.......peace

Indeed there is a TRUE GOD in Heaven and MANY false gods upon the Earth both real and unreal.

"Use the Force, Luke."

many shall SAY it is here, it is there, it is this, it is that, but indeed in 'that' day, any truth of text must show mankind the kingdom of heaven be within, inside the heart of each being, or it be a false truth that cannot lead to unity, and therefore by default lead to war & destruction.......peace

There can be no false gods and no true gods when all is god.

JB

indeed, as each come thru false, to see arriving at true, and become as one.........peace

Someone I know (and love dearly) regularly says that we are not separate. We are all connected.

Recognition of the connection is what strengthens it.

Actually the idea that evolution is based on the survival of the fittest has been grossly distorted.

That only applies if you are talking about a species, it has nothing to do with the survivial of individuals.

After all, evolution is concerned with the gene pool, not with what half-baked individuals might consider to be the most 'fitting' for them.

In other words, in evolutionary terms "Survival of the Fittest" doesn't equate to survival of the most greedy.

On the contrary when speaking in terms of gene pools a selfless attitude where each individual contributes to the whole is much more conducive to the survival of the species at a whole. The most 'fit' species would be the ones that care for their young, and protect their neighbors by having a 'herd' mentality.

That's not to say that loners can't evolve either, as they certainly have. But if you look at the numbers the flocking, herding, and hiving creatures have always held the highest numbers in terms of larger populations.

Also, evolution is not driven by any single concept, it is far more complex than that.

Just to be complete let me also add that all of this assumes evolution by natural selection.

Clearly evolution by unnatural selection is driven by whomever is "playing God" with the gene pool.

Clearly mankind has been playing God with the gene pool of plants for millennia. He has also been breeding domestic animals in ways that they would not naturally breed.

Of course, today, humans have taken over their own evolutionary course. We are no longer evolving by a process of natural selection. We now help people have babies who couldn't naturally get pregnant. We people alive who have diseases who wouldn't normally be able to live and thus procreate. In fact, our whole technology way of life is completely unnatural.

So evolution by natural selection is over. About the same time that we discovered it we began to depart from it drastically. We are no longer evolving by natural selection, we are already in a state of unnatural evolution and no one is truly at the helm. We have no idea where we are taking ourselves. We could be heading for mass extinction for all we know.

In fact, we probably are.

i dont see it as a pantheistic view just an observable fact. if we look at anything we can see its plurality, an orange or banana for example, we call a banana off the tree just that, but when the peel is removed it is still called a banana and if you take it to the next step you can divide it into 3 seperate pieces with care and each piece contains rows of seed all which make up the banana, and this is true of all life here, some more than others we are all a mutiplicity of parts. no thing is really of one thing.

as to us being god, i think differently, i think were part of the vibratory existance of all things but the creative force is beyond that. even when go beyond here what ever we expieriece will be within those spheres but it is seperate from the force, to me the CF is unknowable.

So your god? why don't you manifest something?

she has, herself -

Evolution is a mere theory and in no way a scientific truth ....... .

Yes in a way I do agree with you tribo, the creative force is unknowable. I believe it even seeks to know itself and fails.

This being so, the closest I can come to god is to say that I am that.

And yet I am not that.

It is a paradox indeed.

JB

I have. I take full responsibility for my health, my life and the fine mess I've gotten myself into.



Unlike some I don't whine and cry about the injustice in the world or try to blame god or the devil for it.

JB

what I meant was a display of power. Such as creating something from nothing. If God created the Universe and you are God, then certainly you can snap your fingers and a stack of $100s could appear at my desk. lol