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 You raise a lot of interesting points Tribo
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For centuries man has tried to create golsd out of coal. Eljay Is that word golsd is supposed to be gold? If so, it is not coal man has tried to make gold out of, it is lead. The chemical composition of lead is very close to gold. Mankind has, however discovered how to make a diamond out of coal. JB Okay - so I'm not the worlds best typer. Or is it typist. Whatever it is that man has tried to turn into gold - hasn't happened yet, and it's a pretty good bet it never will. |
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eljay:
As to knowing or comprehending a God (a single entity as you put it) who can know everything TRIBO: Gos is not a single entity, even your god is not a single entity. the source is that which is behind and of and through everything, yet unknowable. |
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You raise a lot of interesting points Tribo hi mirror, you doing ok? sounds like it - 
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cause we are some bad azz yeah
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Eljay said:
So - this "God" you say we all are. What "power" or "attribute" does this universal mind have beyond the power of thought, and the attribute of discovery. What kind of "God" is this? This God changes and contradicts itself with every changing thought of man. I just don't see the "God" of pantheism being any more capable of doing anything than man himself. That is bringing God down to the level of man. Prime source just is. It is unknowable and indescribable. I imagine its only attribute is the will to be. The will to exist. It is the observer and the observed. It is the creator and the created. It is all things. The universal mind creates order out of chaos and manifests worlds upon worlds which serve as environments for conscious beings. You said: "I just don't see the "God" of pantheism being any more capable of doing anything than man himself. That is bringing God down to the level of man." It is my view that Christianity is the belief system that has brought god down to the level of man. They claim god walked with Adam in the garden of Eden. They claim that Jesus is god and no body else. They give their god human attributes of jealousy, anger, vengeance, and have him inciting war on earth over a plot of land. In the face of the true prime source that is absurd. JB |
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Edited by
tribo
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Thu 07/10/08 03:20 PM
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Chazster wants magic tricks performed because he thinks that's what god does. LOL His concept of god is not the same as mine. He expects me to conform to his concept of god because I say I am god. Not gonna happen.  He is god too. He just denies it because he has been told that thoughts like that are blasphemous. JB well, if one says they are god, then one make themself accountable as a god, and is as such then able to make grass, and tress, and animals, and earths, and universes, and galaxies, and yes, even human life, or they speak a half-truth............only a fool would not ask one that claim to be god for proof, lol if one call themself a god, then they must also be "all knowing" as certainally a god be all knowning, to be able to create all these things, and you have yet to make one blade of grass, so it would appear that you have not lived up to the claims which come out of your mouth........... Davidben1, That is only because your concept of what god is and what god does is set in stone. You think "a god" is a being who creates the world, creates humans, creates the grass, creates everything all alone ~from one godly point of view. This is not true IMHO. All are god and of god. All create and all are accountable for what they create. Is god all knowing? Why would you believe this? Who told you this? How can you know this and even if this is so how does this work? How can one single entity know all things at once? What is the mechanics of that? Even the one that you call god (source) divides its information and what it does and knows amongst its divisions of awareness. It has divided itself into individuals, all connected to It. It delegates knowledge and creation to its parts. It (god) has access to its parts and has access to all information and that information is ordered. That part that is not chaos is in order and accessible. Humans only imagine there is a god who is all knowing ~all at once. And yet they cannot explain how this process works, how it is ordered, how it proceeds. They just say "god is all knowing" and they challenge me and say that if I have the nerve to claim that I am god then I must be all knowing and I must be prepared to prove it to them with magick tricks. They do not know what source (god) is or how it works. I don't either but I know that source is everywhere and is both order and chaos and that it delegates and that I am that and so are you. JB I offer you a challenge to describe to me ANYTHING that man has "Created". Merely combining elements they find on the planet to formulate "new things" does not constitute creating something - but merely "discovering" something that always had the ability to exist. Of course the argument over semantics always follows a claim such as this, but I think the difference between creating a "new improved SUV" does not equate with creating a tree. There hasn't been anything created in the last century that could not have been created a millenium ago. The only thing lacking was the awareness to do so. All of the materials necessary to create the computers we all type on existed at the time Adam and Eve walked on this earth. So I would say that man equating himself to God falls a little short in this realm. As to knowing or comprehending a God (a single entity as you put it) who can know everything, what is the difficulty in this? It isn't a secret that the God described in the biblical account is a being who exists outside the confinds of time - so what is to keep Him from knowing everything that ever happened if He saw all from the end back to the beginning? For in order to create and harmonize His creation, He would have had to have known everything that would be necessary to sustain that creation throughout the "time" He had alotted for it. For it is obvious that man himself is incapable of doing anything about the deterioration of his own vessel, or of the deterioration of the planet he occupies. In all of man's efforts, he thinks he's winning the race to save the planet - or so the secular media would have one think (after all those advertizing dollars have to come in for those companies seeking funds to maintain this hoax) however where is any evidence that man has turned the tide on anything happening on a global scale? Species continue to go extinct, and no amount of money being thrown at that problem will ever end it. Man has not shown himself capable of replacing one ounce of any resounce he has dug out of the ground or gathered from the sea. For centuries man has tried to create golsd out of coal. The fact remains - there is only so much Gold on the planet, and once found, it will all be accounted for. End of story. Man will not be "creating" any more gold than is already here. So - this "God" you say we all are. What "power" or "attribute" does this universal mind have beyond the power of thought, and the attribute of discovery. What kind of "God" is this? This God changes and contradicts itself with every changing thought of man. I just don't see the "God" of pantheism being any more capable of doing anything than man himself. That is bringing God down to the level of man. hmmm? - this sounds exactly like what i keep saying of your god?? actually yours sounds more like man than mine - i cant speak for JB there, but for me, creative force only has two things i can determine, infinite existance, and the power to bring forth creative substance into this reality. If i find more i will let you know, ok? that's the problem with living inside a box, you are unable to think outside of what you've put your faith or trust in as to beliefs, once you've found "the Truth" you become content and no longer search but to continue to put all your time and energy into that which rings true to you, i have not such faith in anything to do so to myself or others. I have no wish for someone else's future to be on my hands as to what the ""absolute truth"" is. If your god does exist and damns me for that, then so be it, he would then be, if that's the case, someone i would not want to be with anyway. I would rather believe that god is not emotional or judgemental in any shape or form, and let those who do go live with him in what i think would be such a boring existence i would probably rebel and start the whole process over again. 
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 07/10/08 05:16 PM
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I offer you a challenge to describe to me ANYTHING that man has "Created". Merely combining elements they find on the planet to formulate "new things" does not constitute creating something - but merely "discovering" something that always had the ability to exist. To understand what I mean when I say that "I am god and you are god" and that "we are creators," you need to understand that I am not saying that the creature (or body) we call "human" is "a god" in the sense of what you think of as a god. You challenge me to describe anything that "man" (as a physical embodiment) has "created." Currently in this density, everything a physical person or human being might want to create in this physical reality has to be created out of the physical material that is already here. A physical human can create things from his mind but he has to use or attract or aquire the material that is already in this universe. That is the law. But the part of him or her that is not in this universe is connected to him or her and sustains him or her in this reality is connected to the prime source of all things. Without that connection, he or she will cease to exist. A human being is a thinking center and thoughts are what create something from nothing. Thoughts can exist outside of space time. Thoughts can create matter and attract it into space time realities. This process works similar to the process of your mind which creates reality when you are having a dream. In your dream you will find objects that appear real, you will find a sky, a mountain, a house, a tree etc. These things you created with your thoughts. When you awaken, they cease to exist. We have not yet reached the stage of development where we can think things into existence with our minds... yet. And the density of this reality we live in does not allow that... yet. But densities can change, and frequencies can change. There may come a time when this will happen. Until then you rely on the law of attraction to create the reality and the circumstances and experiences you want in your life. It is a good idea to practice the creative techniques because if the frequency of this reality does change you will be able to think and it will appear. It does take focus. JB |
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For centuries man has tried to create golsd out of coal. Eljay Is that word golsd is supposed to be gold? If so, it is not coal man has tried to make gold out of, it is lead. The chemical composition of lead is very close to gold. Mankind has, however discovered how to make a diamond out of coal. JB Really? To my knowledge they know it takes heat and pressure, but they have yet to do it artificially. Either way that is not creating matter only changing its composition. To create one must make something from nothing. Then you don't know what it means to create. Your definition is of create is E=mc2. Energy into matter. (BTW Mankind has done that too, in particle accelerators, or so they claim. I have never seen it, and I have my doubts about what a particle really is.) You are only talking about creating matter. Matter is only energy in a denser form. If you look closely at an atom, it is mostly empty space and a few particles of energy. The atom is what matter is supposed to be made up of. Therefore the so-called matter that you insist needs to be created in order to call ones self a god, does not really exist itself. You see, everything is made up of energy and waves. Frequencies. You are living in a holographic reality. Everything you see is a projection of the universal mind. Your own mind creates reality via your conscious perception of the waves and frequencies you see and interpret. Without consciousness which flows through you from the prime source, all of that would vanish. JB No I do not mean to create matter from energy. I mean create something from nothing. Matter can not be created or destroyed, neither can energy, yet we have both. Where did they come from? I say God created them from nothingness for he is outside the laws of physics. Also matter is not energy in a denser form. Energy does not have mass or volume which are both required for density. |
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Edited by
sam53
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Thu 07/10/08 05:23 PM
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For centuries man has tried to create golsd out of coal. Eljay Is that word golsd is supposed to be gold? If so, it is not coal man has tried to make gold out of, it is lead. The chemical composition of lead is very close to gold. Mankind has, however discovered how to make a diamond out of coal. JB And who created your GOD ?. Really? To my knowledge they know it takes heat and pressure, but they have yet to do it artificially. Either way that is not creating matter only changing its composition. To create one must make something from nothing. Then you don't know what it means to create. Your definition is of create is E=mc2. Energy into matter. (BTW Mankind has done that too, in particle accelerators, or so they claim. I have never seen it, and I have my doubts about what a particle really is.) You are only talking about creating matter. Matter is only energy in a denser form. If you look closely at an atom, it is mostly empty space and a few particles of energy. The atom is what matter is supposed to be made up of. Therefore the so-called matter that you insist needs to be created in order to call ones self a god, does not really exist itself. You see, everything is made up of energy and waves. Frequencies. You are living in a holographic reality. Everything you see is a projection of the universal mind. Your own mind creates reality via your conscious perception of the waves and frequencies you see and interpret. Without consciousness which flows through you from the prime source, all of that would vanish. JB No I do not mean to create matter from energy. I mean create something from nothing. Matter can not be created or destroyed, neither can energy, yet we have both. Where did they come from? I say God created them from nothingness for he is outside the laws of physics. Also matter is not energy in a denser form. Energy does not have mass or volume which are both required for density. And who created this GOD of yours ?. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Thu 07/10/08 05:37 PM
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To create one must make something from nothing. Chazster Lets examine you above statement. The idea that you define creation as "something from nothing" does not hold water. You would first have to define what you mean by "Nothing" and then tell me how such a thing could even exist. I assert that NOTHING CANNOT EXIST. Therefor the only way to create is to create something from something else. By the way, Matter and energy are the same thing as E=MC2. JB |
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jellybean:
A human being is a thinking center and thoughts are what create something from nothing. Thoughts can exist outside of space time. Thoughts can create matter and attract it into space time realities. This process works similar to the process of your mind which creates reality when you are having a dream. In your dream you will find objects that appear real, you will find a sky, a mountain, a house, a tree etc. These things you created with your thoughts. When you awaken, they cease to exist. TRIBO: ?? - if i understand you correctly, are you saying that trees or people or houses that we dream of are creations? i ask because you say "appear" real - hmmm?? to me things created should be real not just have the appearence of reality for a moment in time? i feel dreams that include what we percieve as real while awake that get included in our dreams are just that, inclusions of that expieirienced while in the state of being awake. as are people we know also. or asre you just trying to give an example of what you believe happens on the conscience level with thought as an example? |
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jellybean: A human being is a thinking center and thoughts are what create something from nothing. Thoughts can exist outside of space time. Thoughts can create matter and attract it into space time realities. This process works similar to the process of your mind which creates reality when you are having a dream. In your dream you will find objects that appear real, you will find a sky, a mountain, a house, a tree etc. These things you created with your thoughts. When you awaken, they cease to exist. TRIBO: ?? - if i understand you correctly, are you saying that trees or people or houses that we dream of are creations? i ask because you say "appear" real - hmmm?? to me things created should be real not just have the appearence of reality for a moment in time? i feel dreams that include what we percieve as real while awake that get included in our dreams are just that, inclusions of that expieirienced while in the state of being awake. as are people we know also. or asre you just trying to give an example of what you believe happens on the conscience level with thought as an example? What would you define as real? What I am implying here is that it is thought and the mind that create reality for the observer. A dream is a personal reality created by the dreamer. The things in the dream come from the dreamer's mind. The trees, the mountains, the other people etc. as you would suspect. These are familiar things that are thought to be real and they are created in the dream by the dreamer. This reality works the very same way. The mind from whence the images are taken is the universal and collective mind. The duration and clarity of of a dream determines whether you, the observer decide whether it is reality or not. Have you ever had a lucid dream? It is one that you realize you are dreaming... and it seems more real, more colorful, almost like another world. It is another world. JB |
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jellybean: A human being is a thinking center and thoughts are what create something from nothing. Thoughts can exist outside of space time. Thoughts can create matter and attract it into space time realities. This process works similar to the process of your mind which creates reality when you are having a dream. In your dream you will find objects that appear real, you will find a sky, a mountain, a house, a tree etc. These things you created with your thoughts. When you awaken, they cease to exist. TRIBO: ?? - if i understand you correctly, are you saying that trees or people or houses that we dream of are creations? i ask because you say "appear" real - hmmm?? to me things created should be real not just have the appearence of reality for a moment in time? i feel dreams that include what we percieve as real while awake that get included in our dreams are just that, inclusions of that expieirienced while in the state of being awake. as are people we know also. or asre you just trying to give an example of what you believe happens on the conscience level with thought as an example? What would you define as real? What I am implying here is that it is thought and the mind that create reality for the observer. A dream is a personal reality created by the dreamer. The things in the dream come from the dreamer's mind. The trees, the mountains, the other people etc. as you would suspect. These are familiar things that are thought to be real and they are created in the dream by the dreamer. This reality works the very same way. The mind from whence the images are taken is the universal and collective mind. The duration and clarity of of a dream determines whether you, the observer decide whether it is reality or not. Have you ever had a lucid dream? It is one that you realize you are dreaming... and it seems more real, more colorful, almost like another world. It is another world. JB well who made you god?  hahaha
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jellybean: A human being is a thinking center and thoughts are what create something from nothing. Thoughts can exist outside of space time. Thoughts can create matter and attract it into space time realities. This process works similar to the process of your mind which creates reality when you are having a dream. In your dream you will find objects that appear real, you will find a sky, a mountain, a house, a tree etc. These things you created with your thoughts. When you awaken, they cease to exist. TRIBO: ?? - if i understand you correctly, are you saying that trees or people or houses that we dream of are creations? i ask because you say "appear" real - hmmm?? to me things created should be real not just have the appearence of reality for a moment in time? i feel dreams that include what we percieve as real while awake that get included in our dreams are just that, inclusions of that expieirienced while in the state of being awake. as are people we know also. or asre you just trying to give an example of what you believe happens on the conscience level with thought as an example? What would you define as real? What I am implying here is that it is thought and the mind that create reality for the observer. A dream is a personal reality created by the dreamer. The things in the dream come from the dreamer's mind. The trees, the mountains, the other people etc. as you would suspect. These are familiar things that are thought to be real and they are created in the dream by the dreamer. This reality works the very same way. The mind from whence the images are taken is the universal and collective mind. The duration and clarity of of a dream determines whether you, the observer decide whether it is reality or not. Have you ever had a lucid dream? It is one that you realize you are dreaming... and it seems more real, more colorful, almost like another world. It is another world. JB well who made you god? hahaha I must have a mommy god somewhere. When I wake up from this dream I will see her maybe. LOL JB |
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Edited by
smiless
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Thu 07/10/08 07:19 PM
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I am a black dragon god and draconians are my minions.
I have questions for you for those who believe in the spiritual realms. How old is a spirit? Are they infinite? Do they start from something or does it start with energy first? |
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Edited by
tribo
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Thu 07/10/08 06:57 PM
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jellybean: A human being is a thinking center and thoughts are what create something from nothing. Thoughts can exist outside of space time. Thoughts can create matter and attract it into space time realities. This process works similar to the process of your mind which creates reality when you are having a dream. In your dream you will find objects that appear real, you will find a sky, a mountain, a house, a tree etc. These things you created with your thoughts. When you awaken, they cease to exist. TRIBO: ?? - if i understand you correctly, are you saying that trees or people or houses that we dream of are creations? i ask because you say "appear" real - hmmm?? to me things created should be real not just have the appearence of reality for a moment in time? i feel dreams that include what we percieve as real while awake that get included in our dreams are just that, inclusions of that expieirienced while in the state of being awake. as are people we know also. or asre you just trying to give an example of what you believe happens on the conscience level with thought as an example? What would you define as real? What I am implying here is that it is thought and the mind that create reality for the observer. A dream is a personal reality created by the dreamer. The things in the dream come from the dreamer's mind. The trees, the mountains, the other people etc. as you would suspect. These are familiar things that are thought to be real and they are created in the dream by the dreamer. This reality works the very same way. The mind from whence the images are taken is the universal and collective mind. The duration and clarity of of a dream determines whether you, the observer decide whether it is reality or not. Have you ever had a lucid dream? It is one that you realize you are dreaming... and it seems more real, more colorful, almost like another world. It is another world. JB well who made you god? hahaha I must have a mommy god somewhere. When I wake up from this dream I will see her maybe. LOL JB you do she is called "GOMMY" a pre world diety of all goddess's |
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To create one must make something from nothing. Chazster Lets examine you above statement. The idea that you define creation as "something from nothing" does not hold water. You would first have to define what you mean by "Nothing" and then tell me how such a thing could even exist. I assert that NOTHING CANNOT EXIST. Therefor the only way to create is to create something from something else. By the way, Matter and energy are the same thing as E=MC2. JB I ask you, how can something always exist? If matter and energy can neither be created or destroyed then where did all this matter and energy come from? It had to start somewhere. Creating something from nothing holds just as much water as things always existing. |
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To create one must make something from nothing. Chazster Lets examine you above statement. The idea that you define creation as "something from nothing" does not hold water. You would first have to define what you mean by "Nothing" and then tell me how such a thing could even exist. I assert that NOTHING CANNOT EXIST. Therefor the only way to create is to create something from something else. By the way, Matter and energy are the same thing as E=MC2. JB That is the amount of energy in a certain amount of mass. It does not mean they are the same thing. Length*Width= Area but area and length are not the same thing. |
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 Dang, Chazter  Are you Einstein? LOL
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