i do not find the pantheistic view of god and our
individuality paradoxical. no more than a leaf is
part of the tree. no more than the bee in the hive.
there is individuality but there is also being
part of a larger whole or a larger community.

it is the group of all groups. infinity and eternity.

no paradox at all. part of something larger.
membership in a larger group. this does however
necessitate monotheism.

You think that is how it works? You have a lot to learn.

look at the collective power of nature
all that we have accomplished and created

is it not miraculous?

Chazster wants magic tricks performed because he thinks that's what god does. LOL His concept of god is not the same as mine. He expects me to conform to his concept of god because I say I am god.

Not gonna happen.

He is god too. He just denies it because he has been told that thoughts like that are blasphemous.



JB

to many jim carry movies.

well, if one says they are god, then one make themself accountable as a god, and is as such then able to make grass, and tress, and animals, and earths, and universes, and galaxies, and yes, even human life, or they speak a half-truth............only a fool would not ask one that claim to be god for proof, lol

if one call themself a god, then they must also be "all knowing" as certainally a god be all knowning, to be able to create all these things, and you have yet to make one blade of grass, so it would appear that you have not lived up to the claims which come out of your mouth...........

Davidben1,

That is only because your concept of what god is and what god does is set in stone. You think "a god" is a being who creates the world, creates humans, creates the grass, creates everything all alone ~from one godly point of view. This is not true IMHO.

All are god and of god. All create and all are accountable for what they create.

Is god all knowing? Why would you believe this? Who told you this? How can you know this and even if this is so how does this work?

How can one single entity know all things at once? What is the mechanics of that? Even the one that you call god (source) divides its information and what it does and knows amongst its divisions of awareness. It has divided itself into individuals, all connected to It. It delegates knowledge and creation to its parts. It (god) has access to its parts and has access to all information and that information is ordered. That part that is not chaos is in order and accessible.

Humans only imagine there is a god who is all knowing ~all at once. And yet they cannot explain how this process works, how it is ordered, how it proceeds.

They just say "god is all knowing" and they challenge me and say that if I have the nerve to claim that I am god then I must be all knowing and I must be prepared to prove it to them with magick tricks.

They do not know what source (god) is or how it works. I don't either but I know that source is everywhere and is both order and chaos and that it delegates and that I am that and so are you.

JB

Interesting take jellybean, i'll have to ponder it. Meanwhile i'm currently thinking the source is more power than mind. hahaha - funny - power? source? but it fits well.

I think the the core of source is that which creates the mind.
So the core is the impulse to be or to create. The mind puts chaos in order and that order creates worlds.

JB

I offer you a challenge to describe to me ANYTHING that man has "Created". Merely combining elements they find on the planet to formulate "new things" does not constitute creating something - but merely "discovering" something that always had the ability to exist.

Of course the argument over semantics always follows a claim such as this, but I think the difference between creating a "new improved SUV" does not equate with creating a tree. There hasn't been anything created in the last century that could not have been created a millenium ago. The only thing lacking was the awareness to do so. All of the materials necessary to create the computers we all type on existed at the time Adam and Eve walked on this earth.

So I would say that man equating himself to God falls a little short in this realm.

As to knowing or comprehending a God (a single entity as you put it) who can know everything, what is the difficulty in this? It isn't a secret that the God described in the biblical account is a being who exists outside the confinds of time - so what is to keep Him from knowing everything that ever happened if He saw all from the end back to the beginning? For in order to create and harmonize His creation, He would have had to have known everything that would be necessary to sustain that creation throughout the "time" He had alotted for it. For it is obvious that man himself is incapable of doing anything about the deterioration of his own vessel, or of the deterioration of the planet he occupies. In all of man's efforts, he thinks he's winning the race to save the planet - or so the secular media would have one think (after all those advertizing dollars have to come in for those companies seeking funds to maintain this hoax) however where is any evidence that man has turned the tide on anything happening on a global scale? Species continue to go extinct, and no amount of money being thrown at that problem will ever end it. Man has not shown himself capable of replacing one ounce of any resounce he has dug out of the ground or gathered from the sea. For centuries man has tried to create golsd out of coal. The fact remains - there is only so much Gold on the planet, and once found, it will all be accounted for. End of story. Man will not be "creating" any more gold than is already here.

So - this "God" you say we all are. What "power" or "attribute" does this universal mind have beyond the power of thought, and the attribute of discovery. What kind of "God" is this? This God changes and contradicts itself with every changing thought of man. I just don't see the "God" of pantheism being any more capable of doing anything than man himself. That is bringing God down to the level of man.

a diff way of stating the same thing -i agree

No my thought of God is someone that created all existence and everything in it. You are the one claiming to be the creator of all things, not me.

Are ye not little god's?? so the bible states - i think what JB's saying (and she "will!" correct me if i'm wrong) is that she is a little god, not "THE" creative force behind everything existing or the supreme seperate being you espouse. Only That she has the power to create in the sense of all that is creatable when one starts with something, not with nothing.Never have i heard her state that she was "THE" source, THE power, only that she thinks she is tapped into that power source. Much like i also believe.I will wait for her reply, but - keep in mind also she does not claim to have all the power to do so at present, just that it is in each of us to become so.

So what is this "little God"? Just another way to describe man? I don't think JB is claiming her definition of God has anything biblical to do with it. And this "power source" one taps into? What is that? I've heard the same claim from people who are Satanists who tap into that "power source" - what is the criteria to differentiate beween the source that is being "tapped into"? I've spent enough time dabbling into the New Age and studying and practicing it's "philosophies" to know that this "power source" is highly unreliable.

Eljay

Is that word golsd is supposed to be gold?

If so, it is not coal man has tried to make gold out of, it is lead. The chemical composition of lead is very close to gold.

Mankind has, however discovered how to make a diamond out of coal.

JB

I am not claiming to be the creator of all things. I said that I AM. At my very core, comes from somewhere.. the prime source expressing itself through me, and so is everything in existence, and that all things are god, including you.

The nature of god is the will to be. It is the will to exist.

JB

Really? To my knowledge they know it takes heat and pressure, but they have yet to do it artificially. Either way that is not creating matter only changing its composition. To create one must make something from nothing.

Humans have free will Indeed, we are "like" gods.

Then you don't know what it means to create. Your definition is of create is E=mc2. Energy into matter. (BTW Mankind has done that too, in particle accelerators, or so they claim. I have never seen it, and I have my doubts about what a particle really is.)

You are only talking about creating matter. Matter is only energy in a denser form. If you look closely at an atom, it is mostly empty space and a few particles of energy. The atom is what matter is supposed to be made up of.

Therefore the so-called matter that you insist needs to be created in order to call ones self a god, does not really exist itself.

You see, everything is made up of energy and waves. Frequencies. You are living in a holographic reality. Everything you see is a projection of the universal mind.

Your own mind creates reality via your conscious perception of the waves and frequencies you see and interpret. Without consciousness which flows through you from the prime source, all of that would vanish.

JB

little god as in "part of" like when you talk of being part of christ body in your beliefs. Paul - can we all be fingers or the head etc?? that is what is meant. surely you can see that.

the Source, which i call the creative force, is just that - no more no less. If it were definable and totally comprehendable, then i could say more but it is not. i do believe it acts nothing like mankind, nor has emotions or any other qualities unlike yours, I dont waste my time trying to understand the unknowable as religious ones do - passed that, moved on long ago, not going back.