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Topic: NeoCon
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Thu 07/03/08 05:31 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Thu 07/03/08 05:32 PM

Are you a Zionist then Starsailor2851?

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Thu 07/03/08 05:31 PM
Well, I doubt they are that insane, and they would suffer far worse consequences that we would.
The use of Nuclear weapons must be treated responsibly. We can not bomb every country that has one and cant just assume they will use them first!

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Thu 07/03/08 05:32 PM

Are you a Zionist then Starsailor2851?


If you mean do I support a state of Israel, then yes. That is what Zionism is. The non-twisted, non-bigotted, non-propagandized definition.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:34 PM
The only country which has proved a willingness to use Nuclear weapons is________???????

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Thu 07/03/08 05:35 PM

Well, I doubt they are that insane, and they would suffer far worse consequences that we would.
The use of Nuclear weapons must be treated responsibly. We can not bomb every country that has one and cant just assume they will use them first!


You mean like the consquences Syria experienced after it was found in the UN that Syria was very closely linked to the assassination of many Lebanese politicians, including the assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri? Plus, the punishment that was handed down on Hezbollah and their financier Iran for the assassinations in Lebanon they were behind as well?

Oh guess what, they received NO PUNISHMENT for these grave crimes, murdering sovereign leaders and political leaders.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:37 PM


Are you a Zionist then Starsailor2851?


If you mean do I support a state of Israel, then yes. That is what Zionism is. The non-twisted, non-bigotted, non-propagandized definition.


And who educated you in all this propaganda that you are now spreading?


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Thu 07/03/08 05:38 PM

The only country which has proved a willingness to use Nuclear weapons is________???????


If you knew the history of the event and the culture of the Japanese people, and the lengthy debate that took place before doing so you would sing a different tune, I'd hope, being one who would want to save as many lives and keep as many people from injury as possible.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:39 PM
Edited by Starsailor2851 on Thu 07/03/08 05:40 PM



Are you a Zionist then Starsailor2851?


If you mean do I support a state of Israel, then yes. That is what Zionism is. The non-twisted, non-bigotted, non-propagandized definition.


And who educated you in all this propaganda that you are now spreading?


Propaganda I'm spreading? Tell me how so that it is? I get my information from the Associated Press, worldwide news organizations, the vast studies of history and politics I have undertaken as both school and personal interest related. I back up everything I state grounded in real events, reported events by numerous sources. I do not utter slang or one line jabs backed up by sincere hatreds.


....Unlike some people I know.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:42 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Thu 07/03/08 05:43 PM


The only country which has proved a willingness to use Nuclear weapons is________???????


If you knew the history of the event and the culture of the Japanese people, and the lengthy debate that took place before doing so you would sing a different tune, I'd hope, being one who would want to save as many lives and keep as many people from injury as possible.
:smile: So your saying that you attack to defend and you kill to save lives?:smile:

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Thu 07/03/08 05:46 PM
I know the history, but it doesnt change the fact!
We are the only ones who ever used one and we used two!
Against another country that had none!

Debate?
There wasn't much, it was top secret, and Truman pretty much turned target allocation and timing completely over to the military. Who had originally thought about dropping multiple bombs on multiple targets all at once. Against the wishes of many!

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Thu 07/03/08 05:47 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/03/08 05:48 PM




Are you a Zionist then Starsailor2851?


If you mean do I support a state of Israel, then yes. That is what Zionism is. The non-twisted, non-bigotted, non-propagandized definition.


And who educated you in all this propaganda that you are now spreading?


Propaganda I'm spreading? Tell me how so that it is? I get my information from the Associated Press, worldwide news organizations, the vast studies of history and politics I have undertaken as both school and personal interest related. I back up everything I state grounded in real events, reported events by numerous sources. I do not utter slang or one line jabs backed up by sincere hatreds.

...Unlike some people I know.


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Associated Press? Okay, whatever.

I do not support the State Of Israel.
I do not support "preemptive strikes."

That is like saying... "Oh, I killed him because I was quite sure his intentions were to kill me."

Nobody can know what another person's intentions are.

The leaders of Israel are ruthless evil people. I feel sorry for the good people who were convinced to go and live there.

JB

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Thu 07/03/08 05:48 PM



The only country which has proved a willingness to use Nuclear weapons is________???????


If you knew the history of the event and the culture of the Japanese people, and the lengthy debate that took place before doing so you would sing a different tune, I'd hope, being one who would want to save as many lives and keep as many people from injury as possible.
:smile: So you attack to defend and you kill to save lives?:smile:


I suggest studying Japanese culture. Also, read reports of US Naval servicemen and also US Marines who fought the Japanese on the islands of the Pacific. I know a man personally who watched Japanese men toss their wives and children off cliffs as the US approached because the Japanese government told them that the US forces would rape, torture, murder and eat them and their children.

Then, I suggest you read into the reports the US military undertook prior to the invasion or drop bomb crossroads. The US military estimated that every last Japanese citizen would fight, with anything they could get their hands on, including swords. They would come endlessly until none more could stand. The US estimated millions ontop of millions of civialians would die or be grieviously injured. They estimated hundreds of thousands of US forces would die and be wounded.

They saw much less death and destruction in nuclear bombs. And, they were correct I do truly think. If you look at the wars of the Pacific VERY VERY few Japanese soldiers would survive battle because even in defeat they would charge to their deaths before dishonor. They were kamikazes, without the planes. This is what they saw coming when mainland Japan was invaded.

And so, they dropped two bombs and all was done with, with so much few less deaths and injuries than all the battles on the Pacific against the Japanese thus far.

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Thu 07/03/08 05:52 PM
Starsailor2851.

Are you in the military? Have you ever been to war? Are you Jewish? Do you live in America or Israel?

JB

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Thu 07/03/08 05:53 PM
Yes!
Its all history now, but at the time very few even realized the destructive power they possessed. The ones who did disagreed with their use!

Crazy **** is that the one directive Truman gave to the military was to use them against military targets.
How the hell, if he knew the full power of what he possessed, did he expect that!

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Thu 07/03/08 05:54 PM
:smile: Sounds Orwellian :smile:

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Thu 07/03/08 05:54 PM
And those Nukes were nothing compared to the ones we have today!

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Thu 07/03/08 05:59 PM

Starsailor2851.

Are you in the military? Have you ever been to war? Are you Jewish? Do you live in America or Israel?

JB


Why are you asking if I'm Jewish? You know, you're really ramping up with a bigot or racist label for yourself now.

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Thu 07/03/08 06:00 PM
As of 1999, the U.S. was said to have 12,000 nuclear weapons of all types stockpiled.

In its Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) declaration for 2003, the U.S. listed 5968 deployed warheads as defined by START rules.

For 2007, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists listed the U.S. with about 5,400 total nuclear warheads: around 3,575 strategic and 500 nonstrategic warheads; and about 1,260 additional warheads held in the inactive stockpile. Other warheads are in some step of the disassembly process.

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Thu 07/03/08 06:02 PM
That's an unoffical count, of course.

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Thu 07/03/08 06:11 PM
A better idea on the numbers in our arsenal can be taken from one category! Non strategic,

Accession Number : ADA467259

Title : Nonstrategic Nuclear Weapons

Descriptive Note : Congressional rept.

Corporate Author : LIBRARY OF CONGRESS WASHINGTON DC CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICE

Personal Author(s) : Woolf, Amy F.

Handle / proxy Url : http://handle.dtic.mil/100.2/ADA467259 Check NTIS Availability...

Report Date : 09 JAN 2007

Pagination or Media Count : 30

Abstract : In 1991, both the United States and Soviet Union announced that they would withdraw most and eliminate many of their nonstrategic nuclear weapons. The United States now retains approximately 1,100 nonstrategic nuclear weapons, with a few hundred deployed with aircraft in Europe and the remaining stored in the United States.
http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA467259

When they say some step of disassembly they really mean not deployed!

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