Topic: 4 year old shoots herself with
robert1652's photo
Tue 06/10/08 08:02 AM

Greetings everyone,
With violent crimes everywhere you look, more people are arming themselves. There are not enough police to "Protect & Serve" everyone at all times. Without personal protection we all become vulnerable to what ever whims the criminals choose.
If an attack against this "Grandmother, and the child" was to occure, she could not save the child or herself unarmed. I have such a permit, to carry a weapon, but I also have the training to keep the weapon in a safe secure place on my person, and only I can access it. TRAINING being the key word. I have never had to use it, and Pray I never have to, but to save the life of a child under attack, or her Grandmother, I would.
When the training class is taken, we learn where, when, how, and most importantly WHY to use the weapon. I am not a hunter,
but I also am not a willing victem, and would run to safety rather than take a life, but I do not wish to be at the mercy of one that has already displayed the intent to harm another, with no regard to life.
Unfortunate the weapon was not in a safe location, out of reach of an infant, thus TRAINING!!!

she was a magistrate, with permit an officer of a law and order and a child is dead question is is this an accident it clearly will fall under non voluntary manslaughter

cdaddy's photo
Tue 06/10/08 08:04 AM
by the way. for those of you who have had the "training" for a concealed weapon permit, does your permit specify which gun you are authorized to carry? or at least the caliber??? nope.

guess what people do....take the class with a .22 caliber pistol since it has no recoil. and then go buy a .45 to carry on them.

SharpShooter10's photo
Tue 06/10/08 08:07 AM

by the way. for those of you who have had the "training" for a concealed weapon permit, does your permit specify which gun you are authorized to carry? or at least the caliber??? nope.

guess what people do....take the class with a .22 caliber pistol since it has no recoil. and then go buy a .45 to carry on them.
.45 acp, gotta love emdrinker

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Tue 06/10/08 08:08 AM

by the way. for those of you who have had the "training" for a concealed weapon permit, does your permit specify which gun you are authorized to carry? or at least the caliber??? nope.

guess what people do....take the class with a .22 caliber pistol since it has no recoil. and then go buy a .45 to carry on them.
only if they are stupid

Before carrying a gun where there is the potential to be around people, you should go to the shooting range for practice.

cdaddy's photo
Tue 06/10/08 08:10 AM


by the way. for those of you who have had the "training" for a concealed weapon permit, does your permit specify which gun you are authorized to carry? or at least the caliber??? nope.

guess what people do....take the class with a .22 caliber pistol since it has no recoil. and then go buy a .45 to carry on them.
only if they are stupid

Before carrying a gun where there is the potential to be around people, you should go to the shooting range for practice.


its not about the permit holder being stupid. its about them exploiting a loophole in the system.

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Tue 06/10/08 08:12 AM



by the way. for those of you who have had the "training" for a concealed weapon permit, does your permit specify which gun you are authorized to carry? or at least the caliber??? nope.

guess what people do....take the class with a .22 caliber pistol since it has no recoil. and then go buy a .45 to carry on them.
only if they are stupid

Before carrying a gun where there is the potential to be around people, you should go to the shooting range for practice.


its not about the permit holder being stupid. its about them exploiting a loophole in the system.


I know the loop hole but a responsible person would make sure to get enough practice in in order to insure they can handle any fire arm they carry before it

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Tue 06/10/08 08:12 AM
WHEN YOU CAN MAKE THE OUTLAWS GIVE UP ALL THERE GUNS I''LL GIVE UP MINE!!!!

dicimus01's photo
Tue 06/10/08 08:17 AM

Hmm Just found the story...says the grandmother is a magistrate judge. Wonder if she carries the gun for a reason....judges get targeted sometimes...just a thought.

That does not give her the right to be irresponcable with a hand gun

cdaddy's photo
Tue 06/10/08 08:18 AM




by the way. for those of you who have had the "training" for a concealed weapon permit, does your permit specify which gun you are authorized to carry? or at least the caliber??? nope.

guess what people do....take the class with a .22 caliber pistol since it has no recoil. and then go buy a .45 to carry on them.
only if they are stupid

Before carrying a gun where there is the potential to be around people, you should go to the shooting range for practice.


its not about the permit holder being stupid. its about them exploiting a loophole in the system.


I know the loop hole but a responsible person would make sure to get enough practice in in order to insure they can handle any fire arm they carry before it


thats true. big difference between being irresponsible and being stupid. even bigger difference shooting at paper and having someone shooting back at you.

21 feet. thats the distance a man armed with a knife can stab you from a stand still. it takes the average person 1.9 seconds to react to that. only 1.7 for him to get there. thats 2 tenths of a second to bleed before you can react. how many people train at the range drawing a weapon and firing in under 1.7 seconds?

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Tue 06/10/08 08:21 AM
depends on who is training you and why cdaddy



SharpShooter10's photo
Tue 06/10/08 08:22 AM





by the way. for those of you who have had the "training" for a concealed weapon permit, does your permit specify which gun you are authorized to carry? or at least the caliber??? nope.

guess what people do....take the class with a .22 caliber pistol since it has no recoil. and then go buy a .45 to carry on them.
only if they are stupid

Before carrying a gun where there is the potential to be around people, you should go to the shooting range for practice.


its not about the permit holder being stupid. its about them exploiting a loophole in the system.


I know the loop hole but a responsible person would make sure to get enough practice in in order to insure they can handle any fire arm they carry before it


thats true. big difference between being irresponsible and being stupid. even bigger difference shooting at paper and having someone shooting back at you.

21 feet. thats the distance a man armed with a knife can stab you from a stand still. it takes the average person 1.9 seconds to react to that. only 1.7 for him to get there. thats 2 tenths of a second to bleed before you can react. how many people train at the range drawing a weapon and firing in under 1.7 seconds?
I can hit five targets from surrender position in under three seconds, but i get lots of practicesmokin bigsmile

cdaddy's photo
Tue 06/10/08 08:23 AM






by the way. for those of you who have had the "training" for a concealed weapon permit, does your permit specify which gun you are authorized to carry? or at least the caliber??? nope.

guess what people do....take the class with a .22 caliber pistol since it has no recoil. and then go buy a .45 to carry on them.
only if they are stupid

Before carrying a gun where there is the potential to be around people, you should go to the shooting range for practice.


its not about the permit holder being stupid. its about them exploiting a loophole in the system.


I know the loop hole but a responsible person would make sure to get enough practice in in order to insure they can handle any fire arm they carry before it


thats true. big difference between being irresponsible and being stupid. even bigger difference shooting at paper and having someone shooting back at you.

21 feet. thats the distance a man armed with a knife can stab you from a stand still. it takes the average person 1.9 seconds to react to that. only 1.7 for him to get there. thats 2 tenths of a second to bleed before you can react. how many people train at the range drawing a weapon and firing in under 1.7 seconds?
I can hit five targets from surrender position in under three seconds, but i get lots of practicesmokin bigsmile


thats why you're the sharpshooterdrinker drinker drinker drinker you bad assdrinker

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Tue 06/10/08 08:24 AM






by the way. for those of you who have had the "training" for a concealed weapon permit, does your permit specify which gun you are authorized to carry? or at least the caliber??? nope.

guess what people do....take the class with a .22 caliber pistol since it has no recoil. and then go buy a .45 to carry on them.
only if they are stupid

Before carrying a gun where there is the potential to be around people, you should go to the shooting range for practice.


its not about the permit holder being stupid. its about them exploiting a loophole in the system.


I know the loop hole but a responsible person would make sure to get enough practice in in order to insure they can handle any fire arm they carry before it


thats true. big difference between being irresponsible and being stupid. even bigger difference shooting at paper and having someone shooting back at you.

21 feet. thats the distance a man armed with a knife can stab you from a stand still. it takes the average person 1.9 seconds to react to that. only 1.7 for him to get there. thats 2 tenths of a second to bleed before you can react. how many people train at the range drawing a weapon and firing in under 1.7 seconds?
I can hit five targets from surrender position in under three seconds, but i get lots of practicesmokin bigsmile


noway wow

Fanta46's photo
Tue 06/10/08 08:27 AM

Grandmother's gun. The child reached into her grandmothers, purse which was sitting beside her in the cart at Wal-Mart. Then shot herself while the grandmother looked on helplessly.

To me this is just another example of the danger of our gun culture. The gun was unsecured and anyone could have gained access to the gun. People always argue that criminals can get guns so easily, I wonder how many of those guns come from people with permits who carelessly leave them around unsecured.


Did the woman have a concealed carry permit?
More gun laws arent necessary, education could have prevented this. Its sad:cry: :cry:


cownurse1957's photo
Tue 06/10/08 08:36 AM
I come from Idaho, with a long family history to the people who came West and settled, I am a hunter and gun owner, when I was very young as my siblings were, we were educated, very well educated to guns, our guns were not hidden or locked up as there was no such thing in those days, they hung up on the wall
the one that may be used freguently, one of the rifles was kept loaded at all times, as we used it to protect livestock from predators or packs of domestic dogs. We did not have any handguns because they were farly useless for a clean one shot at either a predator or deer,elk,moose that we killed to sustain our family, I was always taught to kill as effienct as possible so NO animal suffered, as we were taught as much respect of the animal, whether they be food for the table or a dog that packed with other dogs for survival after being dumped from larger towns rurally. I have several friends that have bought hand guns for protection and thet and their souses have taught their children to not touch "Daddys" gun it is dangerous instead of teaching about guns, as was already mentioned that they are a tool with a use and how to check and see if a gun is loaded. they just want to have a gun for protection and not teach their children any thing about guns. "just leave it alone"
now that attitude didn't work with whiskey with me and it is reasonable with guns either, education is. Now before anyone thinks I am a "Redneck" gun fanatic I'm not in fact the NRA no longer sends me any material, because I don't subscribe to their thoughts about assault rifles, most reasonable hunters don't hunt with assault rifles, they are efficent for only one reason, "to kill other human". As far as having an efficent home protection firearm, a shotgun is much better, And to the comments about the 2nd amendmant being written for differant times, do they also think this way to old amendmants about unreasonable search and seizure, or freedom of religion

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Tue 06/10/08 09:34 AM

I come from Idaho, with a long family history to the people who came West and settled, I am a hunter and gun owner, when I was very young as my siblings were, we were educated, very well educated to guns, our guns were not hidden or locked up as there was no such thing in those days, they hung up on the wall
the one that may be used freguently, one of the rifles was kept loaded at all times, as we used it to protect livestock from predators or packs of domestic dogs. We did not have any handguns because they were farly useless for a clean one shot at either a predator or deer,elk,moose that we killed to sustain our family, I was always taught to kill as effienct as possible so NO animal suffered, as we were taught as much respect of the animal, whether they be food for the table or a dog that packed with other dogs for survival after being dumped from larger towns rurally. I have several friends that have bought hand guns for protection and thet and their souses have taught their children to not touch "Daddys" gun it is dangerous instead of teaching about guns, as was already mentioned that they are a tool with a use and how to check and see if a gun is loaded. they just want to have a gun for protection and not teach their children any thing about guns. "just leave it alone"
now that attitude didn't work with whiskey with me and it is reasonable with guns either, education is. Now before anyone thinks I am a "Redneck" gun fanatic I'm not in fact the NRA no longer sends me any material, because I don't subscribe to their thoughts about assault rifles, most reasonable hunters don't hunt with assault rifles, they are efficent for only one reason, "to kill other human". As far as having an efficent home protection firearm, a shotgun is much better, And to the comments about the 2nd amendmant being written for differant times, do they also think this way to old amendmants about unreasonable search and seizure, or freedom of religion



Both times that was me cownurse and yes I really don't remember that part from my constitutional law class, just remember 1, 2, 5, 14th amendments

BrandonJItaliano's photo
Tue 06/10/08 10:32 AM
Edited by BrandonJItaliano on Tue 06/10/08 10:35 AM
This is why we need to BAN STUPID PEOPLE and not guns!! It was 100% the grandmothers fault, it had nothing to do with the gun itself. Guns themselves arent dangerous when used with some common sense, What did she think she was going to be assaulted in paper plate eaile? I would view it the same way as if a child burned herself/himself on the stove in someones home, are we gonna take all the stoves out of peoples homes because there "dangerous"? Come on people, this is a perfect example why Education is the answer!!

FearandLoathing's photo
Tue 06/10/08 11:27 AM

Grandmother's gun. The child reached into her grandmothers, purse which was sitting beside her in the cart at Wal-Mart. Then shot herself while the grandmother looked on helplessly.

To me this is just another example of the danger of our gun culture. The gun was unsecured and anyone could have gained access to the gun. People always argue that criminals can get guns so easily, I wonder how many of those guns come from people with permits who carelessly leave them around unsecured.


Stupid grandmother, should of bought a trigger lock...let alone you need a gun in Wal-Mart. Criminals don't get guns by taking them out of an old woman's purse, most are stolen out of house robberies and pawn shop robberies. Trust me.

enderra's photo
Wed 06/11/08 01:24 PM


I have known people who carry concealed guns and when they have to go in someplace where they are no allowed to carry them, they leave them in their glove compartment. That is NOT a secure place to leave a gun. Nor are Riffle racks and cases just so you can display them.
I disagree, a glove box, locked in a locked car is a secured firearm, c'mon, now if you leave it in the open thats an invitation to get robbed, guess you want a trigger lock, with the ammo in the trunk and the gun in the glove box, so when you need it, you can ask the criminal to give you just a second while you unlock the glove box, take off the trigger lock, get your ammo out of the trunk and load up firstlaugh
The reason why a glove box is not secure, is the fact that anyone breaking into your car when you are in the doctor's office or wherever, will in fact break into your glove box and voila a free gun. Glove boxes as we all know do not have the most difficult locks to pick.laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

franshade's photo
Wed 06/11/08 01:28 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/custom/fringe/sfl-610samsclubshooting,0,6360926.story

The girl did not die, she is recovering after the shooting.
I agree the grandmother fully licensed and permitted to carry the handgun was negligent in not securing the gun.