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I was never an atheist. I always new there was a god. I just thought he was the cruelest being that ever existed, and I hated him with my soul! she lives in you as you live in her ... nothing separate ... but a 12 year old just wants his mom ... and someone to blame ... I am saddened by your experience ... 
We are defined by our trials and tribulations! I don't believe that. I believe we are ultimately defined by our responses to the trials and tribulations (and the good things too) that happen to us. We cannot control what happens. We can only control how we respond to those things. Sorry about your mother Fanta. 
How can an emotionally devastated 12 yr old be in control of what happens anoasis? How much control can they have when they are left to deal with getting over that kind of trauma with no outside help. You always hear, time heals everything, but that isn't true. Believe me it isn't. Sure I dealt with it and survived, but it was at a cost. I became cold and emotionally detached, reckless and uncaring. It affected every aspect of my life and governed every decision I made for years to come. I cared not what happened to me and even less about what happened to those around me. Holidays were dreaded and the problems became worse at those times. As time went on I became better at incorporating my emotions and psychological scars into a norm. A norm that I held on to and used to cope day to day, year to year. My tribulations became me and I became them! I grew to enjoy hurting like a heroin addict enjoys the high. I reveled in my anger and determined it a necessity. I grew comfortable with it and mastered it like a chess champion masters the game. Later, 10 yrs ago or so, I witnessed and experienced a few things which changed my hate for god to understanding, but I am who I am because of my 25 year journey and I can never change that! Ok, I will leave now, and not bother yall again, but JB asked and I tried to explain how one can hate God! Fanta I am so sorry you misunderstood what I was trying to say. My heart weeps for the child who lost his mother and could only cry to god. 
In my post I was responding to the part where you quoted "we are defined by our trials and tribulations" I do not agree with that statement exactly because we *cannot* control the trials and tribulation that happen to us. we can only control how we react to them. Children certainly have the least life experience and knowledge to help them handle trials and tribulations. But again what I meant was that it's not the trial that defines you, it's the way that you were changed. Maybe it seems like the same thing to you. In any case I am sorry to be so unclear in my meaning as to have caused you even a milisecond of additional sorrow. Sometimes I hesitate to post because I am concerned that I will be unclear and cause some unintentional harm. I am sorry.
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There are certainly a LOT of Christians on this site. Since SO many of them DO NOT want to be considered under one label called Christians, I would like to ask. What are the differences between Christians. Like, for example, what of the differences in beliefs. We can hardly be expected to know, if we are NOT Christians. So please let us know and from this point on, we can refer to THOSE CHRISTIANS WHO BELIEVE..... And that way you won't all be lumped under one label. Thank-you for your assistance, it may make us all feel better to know these differences. My name is Debbie and I am a Christian.....I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ...that's it.... |
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um wow.. i see how people can shy away from talking about their faith or lack there of.
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Edited by
MorningSong
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 um wow.. i see how people can shy away from talking about their faith or lack there of. No...we christians are not shying away.....we just have gotten to the point now, where we realize we can only share so much...and then there comes the time , to just allow God to do the rest. No need to keep rehashing.
As far as some nonbelievers here are concerned.....well.. they are going to keep on spewing what they THINK Christianity is all about anyway... .when they haven't the foggiest what Christianity is all about.....but I say..let them spew away. 
Doesn't matter..cause most people are smart enough to recognize nonsense for what it is...when it is spewed out here..and christians don't have to say a word. God is a Big Enough God to reach those who truly want to hear and know the truth. Most people are wise enough to think for themselves.....and are able to recogize nonsense for what it is.. But I say again, let the spewers keep spewing....we don't have to defend the Faith. The Faith stands up fine on its own. Personally... I am here to share and minister and pray..for those who have ears to hear. And for those who don't? I still will love and pray for All people anyway....regardless if they believe or not.
Be Blessed Everyone .... ...Have a Good Nite.....
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I guess I am what you call a crisis christian.I believe in God and Jesus but really only pray when someone or I have a crisis.I couldn't quote scripture though i have read the bible.
I also talk to him if I have to pee and get caught in a traffic jam. |
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I was never an atheist. I always new there was a god. I just thought he was the cruelest being that ever existed, and I hated him with my soul! she lives in you as you live in her ... nothing separate ... but a 12 year old just wants his mom ... and someone to blame ... I am saddened by your experience ...
We are defined by our trials and tribulations! I don't believe that. I believe we are ultimately defined by our responses to the trials and tribulations (and the good things too) that happen to us. We cannot control what happens. We can only control how we respond to those things. Sorry about your mother Fanta.
How can an emotionally devastated 12 yr old be in control of what happens anoasis? How much control can they have when they are left to deal with getting over that kind of trauma with no outside help. You always hear, time heals everything, but that isn't true. Believe me it isn't. Sure I dealt with it and survived, but it was at a cost. I became cold and emotionally detached, reckless and uncaring. It affected every aspect of my life and governed every decision I made for years to come. I cared not what happened to me and even less about what happened to those around me. Holidays were dreaded and the problems became worse at those times. As time went on I became better at incorporating my emotions and psychological scars into a norm. A norm that I held on to and used to cope day to day, year to year. My tribulations became me and I became them! I grew to enjoy hurting like a heroin addict enjoys the high. I reveled in my anger and determined it a necessity. I grew comfortable with it and mastered it like a chess champion masters the game. Later, 10 yrs ago or so, I witnessed and experienced a few things which changed my hate for god to understanding, but I am who I am because of my 25 year journey and I can never change that! Ok, I will leave now, and not bother yall again, but JB asked and I tried to explain how one can hate God! Fanta I am so sorry you misunderstood what I was trying to say. My heart weeps for the child who lost his mother and could only cry to god.
In my post I was responding to the part where you quoted "we are defined by our trials and tribulations" I do not agree with that statement exactly because we *cannot* control the trials and tribulation that happen to us. we can only control how we react to them. Children certainly have the least life experience and knowledge to help them handle trials and tribulations. But again what I meant was that it's not the trial that defines you, it's the way that you were changed. Maybe it seems like the same thing to you. In any case I am sorry to be so unclear in my meaning as to have caused you even a milisecond of additional sorrow. Sometimes I hesitate to post because I am concerned that I will be unclear and cause some unintentional harm. I am sorry.
You have no need to say you're sorry anoasis. I didn't feel any sorrow from what you said.
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Three days before my twelfth birthday I was awakened by screaming. It was my mother, and she was screaming at the top of her lungs, Its going to bust, its going to bust, over and over. As I went out my door into the hall my father came out my parents room running for the phone. As he did my mother released one final scream and then was silent. Gaining courage I went to the bed and tried to talk to her, but she just stared, with her eyes open at the ceiling. All I remember was how scared I was and held her hand crying. Soon, it only seemed like minutes, the ambulance came and they took her to the hospital. My dad said my sister was coming to watch us and left to go the hospital too. The next time I saw him was on my birthday. When he drove in the driveway I knew something was wrong from the look on his face. I started crying right away, and when he came in he called us together and told us that our mom had died that morning. My twelfth birthday. I can still remember the hate I felt towards god, and I carried it with me for years. Forced to learn to deal with the grief on my own I'm afraid I didn't do such a good job. She died from a brain aneurysm. It burst! i am so sorry...
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I guess I am what you call a crisis christian.I believe in God and Jesus but really only pray when someone or I have a crisis.I couldn't quote scripture though i have read the bible. I also talk to him if I have to pee and get caught in a traffic jam. CLDMom- I love you!!! (NOT that way  ) You are very normal . My son and I do the same thing, more him than me.(I am so perfect you know ) When he is in a crisis, oh boy, does he call on the Lord. When the Lord has taken care of everything, all is calm till the next crisis. Oh, dear.
Now, we have talked about my short term memory. Well, I actually stop and ask God to show me where I put the darn thing (that I lost)If I get mad and start yelling and screaming - NOTHING. If I stay calm, whoops, there it is, right where it should be. I probably drive God nuts. BUT, what really pleases God is that we trust Him so much that we even ask Him for help when we need to pee! Lindyy
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Babtist and Christian Union are very different here in iowa. Other than that idk.
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There are certainly a LOT of Christians on this site. Since SO many of them DO NOT want to be considered under one label called Christians, I would like to ask. What are the differences between Christians. Like, for example, what of the differences in beliefs. We can hardly be expected to know, if we are NOT Christians. So please let us know and from this point on, we can refer to THOSE CHRISTIANS WHO BELIEVE..... And that way you won't all be lumped under one label. Thank-you for your assistance, it may make us all feel better to know these differences. Well actually there are different denominations but we are ALL Christians. I believe there wont be seperate neighborhoods in heaven to accomodate denominations. In fact, I don't even think it will be an issue when we face Jesus. We all believe in the Godhead...we all know the only way is through the cross for repentance & the remission of sins...through Christ Jesus. We all have the same Bible to know the will of God. I don't think there is a dispute about being a Christian among Christians but more of calling people of faith names & bashing their beliefs. |
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Hi Wouldee, hi anoasis Thanks for visiting. For all the complaints I thought sure there would be those who would like to explain and be disconnected from a single label. This is getting really Redykeulous,,,,
I honestly don't know how many times it can be answered before people get it.... Ok again......Yes I am a Christian.......For me it is not about me being "A Christian" I am first and foremost a Child of God. I love God, Jesus Christ with my whole heart, soul and mind. Maybe it might be better to take the label from me all together......As my relationship with the Lord & Savior is mine and a very personal walk with Him. I love that wouldee uses scripture to back up what he is saying....Because the answers are all there but no one is listeninng......Why is that.....why do people have to be in control. For me my life started when I gave the control the the Father God. Well once again onward ho and let the games begin. |
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um wow.. i see how people can shy away from talking about their faith or lack there of. No...we christians are not shying away.....we just have gotten to the point now, where we realize we can only share so much...and then there comes the time , to just allow God to do the rest. No need to keep rehashing.
As far as some nonbelievers here are concerned.....well.. they are going to keep on spewing what they THINK Christianity is all about anyway... .when they haven't the foggiest what Christianity is all about.....but I say..let them spew away.
Doesn't matter..cause most people are smart enough to recognize nonsense for what it is...when it is spewed out here..and christians don't have to say a word. God is a Big Enough God to reach those who truly want to hear and know the truth. Most people are wise enough to think for themselves.....and are able to recogize nonsense for what it is.. But I say again, let the spewers keep spewing....we don't have to defend the Faith. The Faith stands up fine on its own. Personally... I am here to share and minister and pray..for those who have ears to hear. And for those who don't? I still will love and pray for All people anyway....regardless if they believe or not.
Be Blessed Everyone .... ...Have a Good Nite.....
what i was trying to say that no matter the view point people for the most point feel so strong about either ... there is a way to approach it without turning people off ya know. |
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I am Socratic Christian, Damned if I do and damned if I don't. You can call me abominable if you like or just Abomination. Abomination fits me to a tee because I am a freak of nature. But I have changed to second shift now and don't just come out at night. A lot of people at work think it is strange to see me in the day time.
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There are certainly a LOT of Christians on this site. Since SO many of them DO NOT want to be considered under one label called Christians, I would like to ask. What are the differences between Christians. Like, for example, what of the differences in beliefs. We can hardly be expected to know, if we are NOT Christians. So please let us know and from this point on, we can refer to THOSE CHRISTIANS WHO BELIEVE..... And that way you won't all be lumped under one label. Thank-you for your assistance, it may make us all feel better to know these differences. Anyone who says they are a “Christian” should (in theory) mean that they agree with the Apostle’s Creed. So in my opinion I would say it would be fair to place anyone who believes the following under the label “Christian”. Apostle's Creed: I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord: Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. [See Calvin] The third day He arose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting. Where I get a little upset is when I am accused of being a right wing, bible thumping, self righteous, judgmental extremist simply because I call myself “Christian”. THOSE labels I will not wear. Yes I am a Christian that is more right than left and will quote the Bible if it is relevant to the conversion but I am to aware of my own inadequacies to judge others and be self righteous. Yes there are "Christian" who are those things. BUT not all "Christians" are. |
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One thing I like about humanity is its ability to learn how to adapt. I think that humanity has proven that it can survive as a species even after great calamities like floods. I would probably like the guy knocking on the door of the ark. "Hey, Noah lets going swimming."
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Then I would be praying to God. "No God please don't flush it."
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Then when if it didn't flush I would tell God, "If you just jiggle the handle it will flush."
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 06/06/08 10:59 AM
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Feral writes:
Why is that.....why do people have to be in control. For me my life started when I gave the control the the Father God.
What you did, dear lady, was the giving over of the control of the little self (your personality in this life) over to the higher being of The Self which is God. This higher being is you, for we are all connected to IT. You gave over your little self to your higher self and began your walk with all that Is. (God) That is what pantheist do when they recognize themselves as being part of all that is... GOD. We do not separate ourselves from God. We are that which is. That is who we are. I am that. I AM. But we don't get trapped up in the dogma that is religion. Jeannie
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You know, Diane baptism has really evolved since the days of Noah. Being an Aquarius with being a water bearer and being creative I don't think I could have survived that much water. My athiest father taught my sister and me how to swim by throwing us into the water. He said, "Swim or drown." I was just thinking of how hard it must have been to tread water for 40 days and nights. It must have been a relief when the commode was finally flushed. It makes one wonder though where the water all went though.
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On the contrary, the Church of Jesus Christ is people and not institutions.
The Holy Spirit is the head of the Church of Jesus Christ and MUST be present and leading the Church or it is not the Church. The Church must also be Spirit filled souls. Period. or the witness is of men and not God. It is that simple. All else is a lie. Is that plain enough? It should be.  That's what they all say.... 
And it is those who do say this - that are the Christians. For Wouldee has captured the essence of what makes one a Christian. It is the only criteria - filled with the spirit. So Redy - if the leaf of the braches are spirit filled - they belong to the tree. A Christian is not defined by what they call themselves - or what they happen to personally believe based on subjective interpretation of scripture. You would file that under "Churchiolity" - not Christianity. The testimony of the Holy Spirit is what is consistant within all of Christianity, and you would not find a "Christian" disagreeing on this point. |
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