Christians are right.

That doesn't make you wrong.

It just means that you don't get it.

In love jeannie, in love.

And I was hoping for a real answer. I'm going to have to conclude this debate and declare myself the supreme winner.

I kicked your asses.

Therein lies the delusion.
That you and Christianity (a religion) are one.

There is your stumbling block that will keep your from enlightenment.

There is your folly.

You and your myths are one.

JB

Usually if you show tolerance you will get tolerance in return... usually.

You are right not all christians are the same, not all non-christians are the same either. Most of the people hear are able to listen to the views of others without feeling that these alternate views somehow threaten or negate their own beliefs. However, there are some who cannot stand to have a question asked, another belief system explained or to be challenged in any way.

Some of these people are christian. Some are from other religions. It does seem that more of them are christian but perhaps that's just because there are more christians.

All you can do is be yourself. That is how you can show others- by your example.

Don't take the disagreements too seriously, you'll see in time that two can deteriorate into fighting, which I don't condone, but then the next day they are friends.

Peace and joy to all.

Yes that is an excellent point. I consider myself quite tolerant, however, when told by christian that I am a "sinner" it offends me and irritates me to be judged in this manner.

I have seen this happen many times. A christian enters a thread, tells the others present that they are "all sinners" and expects this not to offend?

I don't even believe in "sin" or "hell".

I'll disagree....

The FEW who are less tolerant are the ones that are the loudest and the ones who get heard...

Okay so I took an excerpt, but I note you are still saying Christians like that is all of us. You are being ignorant in how you fail to recognize those of us christians who do not believe we are completely right, and for the record I believe there MAY be more than one way to god, this is just my way.

JB I have no problem with your thoughts I just think that the way you group people is wrong. I do not try to group people because it is wrong. Like I said if you state that SOME christians not just Christians feel that way, then you would be more accurate.

I just LOVEEEEEEEE everyone......

I love you too

sunshine don't let it get to you....It's been going on for 2000 years it's not going to change...be strong in your faith gal and Love the Lord your God above all else.....nothing else when you get to the meat of things really matters. All will either know the truth and/or live with the choices they make.....

Thanks for the words of wisdom.

JB what the heck you put in your tea this morning......


I think kicking our asses.......NOT......



But I still have massive love for the JB

Well why would it offend......It would only offend if it were truth.....right or wrong. And do you not believe in good or bad.......and if not you better wake up and smell JB's tea....

Wouldee or anyone else that feels they can answer. I ask this question in all seriousness so I can better understand. I have been reading lots of posts in here where lots of christians refer to parts of the church and beliefs in the religion as "Churchiantiy"

I do apologize if the concept of Churchianity was explained before but I believe I missed that post. Can anyone please explain what you mean when you refer to Churchianity inplace of Christianity?

Thank you.

Okay I missed something, not unusual, but isn't churchity like belief in once church whereas christianity is belief in Christ?

Churchianity is a pejorative term used to describe practices of Christianity that are viewed as placing a larger emphasis on the habits of church life or the institutional traditions of a specific Christian denomination than on the teachings of Jesus.

It can also be used to describe churches across many denominations where the central focus has moved from Christ to the church. Hence the replacement of Christ with church in the word churchianity.


Which I hate to say for me does not apply.....although I feel church is important to be fed and fellowship....my life is centered on Christ tyvm

Thank you Feral.

This isn't true. In only appears to be true from your point of view because you have made Christianity to be all about Jesus. But it's not all about Jesus. That very notion is misleading.

I've already stated this many times,... there is nothing in the Bible that was written by Jesus. It's basically impossible to bash Jesus via denouncing the Bible.

Moreover, you have to actually listen to what other people are saying when they denounce the biblical picture of God. If they are claiming that the stories about Jesus have exaggerated and that demagoguery has been added, then they are not bashing Jesus at all.

Jesus can't be held responsible for demagoguery that was made up about him and for words that were put into his mouth after he died.

You're very claim that to bash the biblical picture is to bash Jesus simply is without merit.

I can hold the man Jesus in high regard and still denounce the stories told about him as lies.

In fact, that's basically how I view it. I actually believe that Jesus was trying to preach the philosophy of Buddha. Buddha had lived some 500 years before Jesus and it's very likely that Jesus, being a deeply spiritual man was familiar with the teaching of Buddha. Just was trying to claim to be one with the Holy Spirit (the pantheistic view of Buddhism). He even pointed out that Jewish doctrine backed up this view, He said, that even the Jewish religious law holds that "Ye are also gods".

When Jesus said, "Before Abraham was I am". I think that what he actually mean was that before the God of Abraham was invented I am. So this makes perfect sense to me.

I believe that it was a popular misconception that he was claiming to actually be the God of Abraham. And I also don't believe that Jesus was on a suicide mission. I don't believe he ever meant to be crucified. I imagine he thought that the people would not allow that. After all he did have a huge following. He stood up against the Roman oppression in the hopes that the people would rally behind him and be a force to change the situation. But instead they cowered down and denied him. So he was crucified.

Then the people felt guilty and immortalized him as the incarnation of the God of Abraham.

So when I denounce the biblical picture of God I'm not bashing Jesus in the least Wouldee.

Not in the least.

Jesus didn't write down a single solitary word in the Bible. It is impossible to bash Jesus by bashing the Bible. Only those who bash Jesus directly can do that.

I have nothing bad to say about Jesus. But I do denounce the entirety biblical story of God, including the demagoguery that was tacked onto it about the life and death of Jesus. Demagoguery that I simply don't believe.

I don't believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, I don't believe that he died to pay for the sins of man, and I don't believe that he rose from the dead. An not believing in these things is not bashing Jesus because I don't believe that he ever meant to claim any of them. He certainly couldn't have been the one who claimed to have risen from his own death! And how could he have known that he was born of a virgin? The only real question left open is whether Jesus ever claimed to be dying to pay for the sins of man. I don't' believe he did. I believe that was demagoguery added in retrospect after he died. Those words were placed in the mouth of a dead man. That's what I believe.

And this is certainly not bashing Jesus.

People really need to understand that questioning the validity of the Bible is not Bashing Jesus. Not in the least!

(edited to add)

By the same reasoning, defending the legitimacy of the Bible is not defining Jesus! It’s that mentality that cause people to refuse to even question the Bible!