I have to disagree with you here also. "Christ" and "God" are up for interpretation. EVERYTHING is up for interpretation.

Granted the word "Christ" is associated with Christianity most of the time. But others have defined "Christ" as a state of consciousness called "Christ consciousnesses" which means God realization.

Self realization, God realization and the Christ Consciousnesses
are terms for personal spiritual growth. So the "Christ consciousness" is simply a state of spiritual awareness.

Christians have set up the picture of a perfect man to look up to and attempt to be like him. He is their good example of perfection. He had "Christ consciousness." Yet he was human.
He told them that they too could be like him. He meant that they too can have this "Christ consciousness."

That is what so many people don't understand. They would rather worship a god.

JB

Granted the word "Christ" is associated with Christianity most of the time. But others have defined "Christ" as a state of consciousness called "Christ consciousnesses" which means God realization. JB

i have to dis-agree on this point jellybean, "christ"- tianity "christ" is the foundation of this sect of religion. It is not an "association" - it is the "foundation" Remove christ from the equation, and christianity falls!! As to christ consciousness - I don't know if that term exsisted before christianity?? Answer??? i know "god" consciousness did???

NICE!!!

I don't know either if the word existed before Christianity. I think it did ~ but I am not sure.

The use of it in the idea of "Christ Consciousness" is a new age term I think.

I did not intend to "remove" Christ from the equation, I have just seen it reinterpreted. The new age cults may have just been using a trick called name dropping, I don't know.

But there are those who believe that human consciousness will rise up to that level of Christ and they called it Christ consciousness. They also say there are higher levels. I think it was a cult that talks about ascended masters etc... I don't remember off hand where I got that. I have seen that in more than one cult or writing.

JB

If you do a search on google you will probably find a lot on this. Here is just one: I did not read it.

http://www.dlshq.org/religions/christconscious.htm

Lance1205

I seperate "all" religion's from it's follower's. I'm just as likely to debate a Muslem or buddhist or any other. "religion" is what i detest - no matter what form or kind or belief!! To think that any person with god given common sense and logic would follow after "man's" exploitation of god in any form or sense is what set's me off- wake up people!! if your searching for "god" then search outside manmade sectarian belief system's!!
You will not find him in system's designed by man and who are taught in "theological cemetary's"" what to teach and believe and push off on their follower's. Religion "prey's" not prays - on the weak of this world as to spiritual thing's!! God is not a tool for man's use!! He is not up for sale or manipulation by any man or any religious bent. And none will ever know him on a personal hey good buddy - your my friend - basis.Or in any other way in which religious dogma,writing's, view's or teachings prevail to know god personally or believe some men had a vision, or wrestled with an angel - or was beat up by an angel in a cave- or given golden tablet's, or sat on his ass in a lotus position til reaching nirvana, or any other bull**** greedy mankind put's forth as truth!!

you want "salvation" - then save yourself from man's greed and stupidity! Use your god given brain, and all that's within you to ask yourself - " is this thing spoken "truth?" research it don't be duped by man, "FAITH" (within sectarian belief system's) in no more than another word for "IGNORANCE"

Yeah i'm pretty sure it came out of the "Gnu-aged" movement, based on Buddhistic teachings. - if Gnot i'b be surprised.

Gotta love an eye catching opener...

Interesting topic here. Are there any other Christian that care to comment. Seems like non Christian type folks are on this topic. I have to believe that most non-Christian folks will bash Christian folks no matter what kind of stance you take. They hate the idea of Jesus being who he is to Christians. I don't worry about them doing what they do. Christ himself foretold of the madness long time ago. They did it to him, so what will make others who profess to be Christians be excluded from this?

Nobody is bashing Christian folks here. We are discussing Christianity, the religion. Madness? I honestly don't see any "madness." Where is anyone bashing anybody?

to be Christians be excluded from this?


Nobody is bashing Christian folks here. We are discussing Christianity, the religion. Madness? I honestly don't see any "madness." Where is anyone bashing anybody?




My concern is how can a non Christian discuss Christianity when the non believer in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior rejects Christ as the Messiah,John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have life everlasting."? The only unforgiveable sin (in Christianity)is 'blasphemy against the Holy Spirit'. In other words, disbelief in the Holy Spirit i.e. rejection of Jesus Christ. The Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.


In these threads, non Christians try to 'cover up' bashing by saying it is "discussion" conversation, madness.

Again, how can one (and why would one even want to) discuss the Christian faith when one is NOT a Christian and has not the foggiest idea what Christianity is all about unless it is practiced. Meaning, reading the Bible, attending church or getting together with fellow Christians to worship, praise, hear teaching on our Heavenly Father, Bible Studies on our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, who is a person and who was given to us by Our Lord Jesus Christ when he ascended back to Heaven to sit at the right hand side of His Father, our Lord God Almighty.

Lindyy

Nobody is bashing Christian folks here. We are discussing Christianity, the religion. Madness? I honestly don't see any "madness." Where is anyone bashing anybody?




My concern is how can a non Christian discuss Christianity when the non believer in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior rejects Christ as the Messiah,John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have life everlasting."? The only unforgiveable sin (in Christianity)is 'blasphemy against the Holy Spirit'. In other words, disbelief in the Holy Spirit i.e. rejection of Jesus Christ. The Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.


In these threads, non Christians try to 'cover up' bashing by saying it is "discussion" conversation, madness.

Again, how can one (and why would one even want to) discuss the Christian faith when one is NOT a Christian and has not the foggiest idea what Christianity is all about unless it is practiced. Meaning, reading the Bible, attending church or getting together with fellow Christians to worship, praise, hear teaching on our Heavenly Father, Bible Studies on our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, who is a person and who was given to us by Our Lord Jesus Christ when he ascended back to Heaven to sit at the right hand side of His Father, our Lord God Almighty.

Lindyy







Just because someone is a Non Christian doesn't mean they don't know the Christain faith. I for one grew up a Christian, went to church every sunday and had Christian after school classes on Monday and Tuesday. I have also read through the bible. I know about the religion and I have gathered, like others have that the bible is full of inconsistancies and things that don't make logical sense. I am not the only one. Abracadabra was a Christian for 30 years. To say that just because people are not believers, that they do not understand the religion is not a fair assesment at all.

((I don't know why my quotes never seem to work. Sorry))

Nobody is bashing Christian folks here. We are discussing Christianity, the religion. Madness? I honestly don't see any "madness." Where is anyone bashing anybody?




My concern is how can a non Christian discuss Christianity when the non believer in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior rejects Christ as the Messiah,John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have life everlasting."? The only unforgiveable sin (in Christianity)is 'blasphemy against the Holy Spirit'. In other words, disbelief in the Holy Spirit i.e. rejection of Jesus Christ. The Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.


In these threads, non Christians try to 'cover up' bashing by saying it is "discussion" conversation, madness.

Again, how can one (and why would one even want to) discuss the Christian faith when one is NOT a Christian and has not the foggiest idea what Christianity is all about unless it is practiced. Meaning, reading the Bible, attending church or getting together with fellow Christians to worship, praise, hear teaching on our Heavenly Father, Bible Studies on our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, who is a person and who was given to us by Our Lord Jesus Christ when he ascended back to Heaven to sit at the right hand side of His Father, our Lord God Almighty.

Lindyy



P.S. WHEN did Christianity start? SIMPLE, when Christ came to earth, was crucified, dead and buried and on the third day arose. It started when Jesus walked this earth.
Christianity is the faith of those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and acceptance of Him as his/her Lord and Savior.

My concern is how can a non Christian discuss Christianity when the non believer in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior rejects Christ as the Messiah,John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have life everlasting."? The only unforgiveable sin (in Christianity)is 'blasphemy against the Holy Spirit'. In other words, disbelief in the Holy Spirit i.e. rejection of Jesus Christ. The Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.


In these threads, non Christians try to 'cover up' bashing by saying it is "discussion" conversation, madness.

Again, how can one (and why would one even want to) discuss the Christian faith when one is NOT a Christian and has not the foggiest idea what Christianity is all about unless it is practiced. Meaning, reading the Bible, attending church or getting together with fellow Christians to worship, praise, hear teaching on our Heavenly Father, Bible Studies on our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, who is a person and who was given to us by Our Lord Jesus Christ when he ascended back to Heaven to sit at the right hand side of His Father, our Lord God Almighty.

Lindyy







Just because someone is a Non Christian doesn't mean they don't know the Christain faith. I for one grew up a Christian, went to church every sunday and had Christian after school classes on Monday and Tuesday. I have also read through the bible. I know about the religion and I have gathered, like others have that the bible is full of inconsistancies and things that don't make logical sense. I am not the only one. Abracadabra was a Christian for 30 years. To say that just because people are not believers, that they do not understand the religion is not a fair assesment at all.

((I don't know why my quotes never seem to work. Sorry))


include me in that group also, born a catholic (no choice) schooled catholic 1-8th Excommunicated myself, joined into "christianiy when 24, forever left sectarian belief's in 92. Makes me both an insider and outsider.

My concern is how can a non Christian discuss Christianity when the non believer in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior rejects Christ as the Messiah,John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have life everlasting."? The only unforgiveable sin (in Christianity)is 'blasphemy against the Holy Spirit'. In other words, disbelief in the Holy Spirit i.e. rejection of Jesus Christ. The Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.


In these threads, non Christians try to 'cover up' bashing by saying it is "discussion" conversation, madness.

Again, how can one (and why would one even want to) discuss the Christian faith when one is NOT a Christian and has not the foggiest idea what Christianity is all about unless it is practiced. Meaning, reading the Bible, attending church or getting together with fellow Christians to worship, praise, hear teaching on our Heavenly Father, Bible Studies on our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, who is a person and who was given to us by Our Lord Jesus Christ when he ascended back to Heaven to sit at the right hand side of His Father, our Lord God Almighty.

Lindyy



P.S. WHEN did Christianity start? SIMPLE, when Christ came to earth, was crucified, dead and buried and on the third day arose. It started when Jesus walked this earth.
Christianity is the faith of those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and acceptance of Him as his/her Lord and Savior.






Now, I see that as clarity. As you can also put it, "What quacks like a duck, has web feet like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's a giraffe?" Get the point? For who is the author of confusion? Who is the creator of the lie? I am really glad that I believe in someone that loves me. (John 3:16)

So Lindy, you can see we don't discuss Muslim beliefs, or Jewish beliefs, or pagan beliefs as much as Christianity because we have had a lot less personal experience with those other religions.

We were brought up with Christianity. We rejected it. Now you want to tell us that we have no reason or right to discuss it?

I think we are obligated to discuss it.



The outlandish idea that "disbelief" is "blasphemy" is unreasonable. The idea that to question the chosen writings of the church (the Bible) is somehow an unforgivable sin of "blasphemy" and constitutes a rejection of God is ludicrous.

This single idea is the most "evil" one in the entire doctrine because it gives justification to the slaughter of non-believers and their innocent children. The justification of the slaughter is that they have committed an "unforgivable sin" and cannot be saved, ~not even by the blood of their savior. So the order from their god is to slaughter them ~ lest they pass their non-believing ways onto the next generation.

This is genocide, and anyone who believes this approves of genocide in the name of their god. They are taught that they should not question their god, the creator. They have no right to judge their creator for they are mere ignorant and sinful mortals who are at the mercy of their all powerful vengeful god.

I say that they are following and believing in a false and evil god.

That is why I speak out against Christianity. I believe it is "evil." I believe that some people can be saved from that evil.

You believe in speaking out against what you believe to be the evil Satan don't you? I am doing the same thing, but the evil is the false gods of all religions on the earth. They are all false gods and the worship and belief in them is the cause of war, strive and hatred among men.

Until people can come together with love, there will always be war and hatred.

JB

P.S. WHEN did Christianity start? SIMPLE, when Christ came to earth, was crucified, dead and buried and on the third day arose. It started when Jesus walked this earth.
Christianity is the faith of those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and acceptance of Him as his/her Lord and Savior.






Now, I see that as clarity. As you can also put it, "What quacks like a duck, has web feet like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's a giraffe?" Get the point? For who is the author of confusion? Who is the creator of the lie? I am really glad that I believe in someone that loves me. (John 3:16)


BrotherO, you and I know that our God is NOT a god of confusion! Satan is the creator of the lie, we know that satan comes to kill, steal and destroy.

PTL for our Lord. He truly does love us.

Lindyy

See, That's a double edged sword Lindyy. Because there are also those people that say just becaue we disagree with the teachings of that religion that we are bashing it. Or just because we ask questions and we expect a logical answer means that we don't understand and are lost.

We have every right to say what we believe is wrong with the religion just like you have every right to decide that you believe it is accurate. Which by the way you contradicted yourself a bit. In one sentence you said. "Never did I say you had no "right"" and then not more than 4 sentences later you said. "You have NO right to tell me what my Heavenly Father says is wrong."

The interesting thing I have always found about Christianity though is it truly is a religion where you have to rely on nothing but absolute faith. Although I never understood what the basis for that fait is. And that is why non-believers question. They are trying to better understand, Well most of them anyway. There are a few that just like to stir up trouble. Although when we ask serious questions in regards to the faith the only type of response we get back are either bible quotes or the response, You just have to have faith in God's wisdom. Only he knows the answer.

I will just never understand how people can put so much total faith into something that has not really given us a real reason to have said faith. I think that is why Belushi started the thread, "Why do you believe" and even there people keep coming in and stating things like, "I believe because I have faith" or "I believe because God is always there for me" Very seldomly do people give us actual answers and that is why the questions keep getting asked.

I don't talk to false entities who claim to be gods.




Who am I? I am the High Priestess of the Universal Life Church of Brutal Truth and Honesty. I have sworn to speak the truth as I see it.



I don't claim to be a prophets where did you get that? False man made doctrine? (You should probably heed that warning, because that is the doctrine you are now embracing.)




No one can turn you against your chosen faith except you. I do not bash "faith" I question false doctrines.

And you cannot free slaves either. They have to free themselves.

I apologize for discussing this subject with you, I can see you are not prepared for a discussion on the matter.

Go in peace with your faith.

JB

My concern is how can a non Christian discuss Christianity when the non believer in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior rejects Christ as the Messiah,John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have life everlasting."? The only unforgiveable sin (in Christianity)is 'blasphemy against the Holy Spirit'. In other words, disbelief in the Holy Spirit i.e. rejection of Jesus Christ. The Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. (lindyy)



TRIBO

"{blasphemy" of the holy spirit, does not equate to meaning - "disbelief" in the holy spirit.Nor does it equate to meaning "disbelief" in the father,or the son. The word is from the greek - "blasphemia" (strong's 988 greek lexicon as related to matt.12:31) What is being stated in matthew is this = the onlookers at this event were accusing jesus of casting out "devils" by the power of the devil aka - "beelzebub". and jesus is simply replying that a house divived against itself cannot stand - meaning if the devil is casting out his own kind then the kingdom of the devil cannot stand on its own it will collapse. he continues to say - that if they (the pharisee's) continue to or do believe what they state ( that he/christ) is casting out devil's by the power of satan - They will not be forgivin this "sin of blasphemy" in this life or the next.And goes on to call them a "generation of vipers/snakes - term used for satan or his follower's. This dear Lindyy - is exactly why post like your's get answered by people like me or the other's. you claim thing's to be accurate as to your statement's, you say we have not read the bible, you deem us outside some special knowledge that only can be had as an "insider" yet you quote inaccuracies in your post. That leaves you open to as the other's to our criticism!! We do not "quote" errancies of what we believe and if we did or do then we are subject to the same method's we use to find flaw with statement's that "christian's make here.

In these threads, non Christians try to 'cover up' bashing by saying it is "discussion" conversation, madness.



see above- tribo

Again, how can one (and why would one even want to) discuss the Christian faith when one is NOT a Christian and has not the foggiest idea what Christianity is all about unless it is practiced. Meaning, reading the Bible, attending church or getting together with fellow Christians to worship, praise, hear teaching on our Heavenly Father, Bible Studies on our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, who is a person and who was given to us by Our Lord Jesus Christ when he ascended back to Heaven to sit at the right hand side of His Father, our Lord God Almighty. (Lindyy)



How and why??? Because a few here as i stated will not let mis-information you or other's state - be allowed to corrupt anyone in to believing misguided follower's of a sectarian belief system that is about as innacurate as anything can be. The "creative force" that designed us, and enabled us to reason,think,use our common sense, our logic, and all else to do with understanding, Let's us see "clearly" what is fable, nonsense, man's doing, and not god's! I Invite you to use your's also - don't just "read" the bible, "study it" with your mind - your "god" given mind - set aside your "faith" your wishful thinking - and your eye's will truly be opened.

Lindyy



. It started when Jesus walked this earth.
Christianity is the faith of those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and acceptance of Him as his/her Lord and Savior.







Lindyy - P.S. WHEN did Christianity start? SIMPLE, when Christ came to earth, was crucified, dead and buried and on the third day arose.

TRIBO:
wrong again - messiah awareness had been apart of jewish belief long before his birth, 2) it became "active" when the "holy ghost" fell upon those who were gathered in act's long after the ascension - not upon his ressurection, and "none were called "christians until acts!! are you getting the point Lindyy???????????????????????????????